Pelosi announces impeachment inquiry

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Anonymous wrote:The most recent NY Times article about the April call is bonkers.

Yes, I was just reading it now.

Can you post the link? I'm not finding it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

Can you post salient excerpts? Can’t get in without a subscription.

That is why news organizations are "failing" - please subscribe, it isn't that much money.

I get it, and we subscribe to the Washington Post, but it practically took an act of God to get my husband to cough up the money (which isn’t trivial).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most recent NY Times article about the April call is bonkers.

Yes, I was just reading it now.

Can you post the link? I'm not finding it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

Can you post salient excerpts? Can’t get in without a subscription.

That is why news organizations are "failing" - please subscribe, it isn't that much money.

I get it, and we subscribe to the Washington Post, but it practically took an act of God to get my husband to cough up the money (which isn’t trivial).

$8/month is a big lift for you? I really do feel sorry for you--honestly--if that's the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most recent NY Times article about the April call is bonkers.

Yes, I was just reading it now.

Can you post the link? I'm not finding it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

Can you post salient excerpts? Can’t get in without a subscription.

That is why news organizations are "failing" - please subscribe, it isn't that much money.

I get it, and we subscribe to the Washington Post, but it practically took an act of God to get my husband to cough up the money (which isn’t trivial).

$8/month is a big lift for you? I really do feel sorry for you--honestly--if that's the case.

It's a big lift for a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most recent NY Times article about the April call is bonkers.

Yes, I was just reading it now.

Can you post the link? I'm not finding it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

Can you post salient excerpts? Can’t get in without a subscription.

That is why news organizations are "failing" - please subscribe, it isn't that much money.

I get it, and we subscribe to the Washington Post, but it practically took an act of God to get my husband to cough up the money (which isn’t trivial).

$8/month is a big lift for you? I really do feel sorry for you--honestly--if that's the case.

It's a big lift for a lot of people.

It’s $98 for 3 months here.

[Anonymous]

^ Where is "here"? Are you getting a paper delivery or something?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

Mnuchin and Mulvaney too.

[Anonymous]

Good timeline

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1177035675880820737

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

It is more than a fixation.

Ukraine is key to lifting sanctions on Russia, Trump needed/needs their consent.
Ukraine is the only platform issue altered by the Trump campaign in Cleveland, 2016. Paul Manafort orchestrated it.

Manafort is in jail because of his Ukraine activities.

It is all connected.

[Anonymous]

Holy Moly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/seven-days-inside-trumps-frenetic-response-to-the-whistleblower-complaint-and-the-battle-over-impeachment/2019/09/25/14ba426a-dfaa-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most recent NY Times article about the April call is bonkers.

Yes, I was just reading it now.

Can you post the link? I'm not finding it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

Can you post salient excerpts? Can’t get in without a subscription.

That is why news organizations are "failing" - please subscribe, it isn't that much money.

I get it, and we subscribe to the Washington Post, but it practically took an act of God to get my husband to cough up the money (which isn’t trivial).

$8/month is a big lift for you? I really do feel sorry for you--honestly--if that's the case.

It's a big lift for a lot of people.

It’s $98 for 3 months here.

WaPo? The digital subscription is $40/year for the first year and then $100/year after that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most recent NY Times article about the April call is bonkers.

Yes, I was just reading it now.

Can you post the link? I'm not finding it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-obsession.html

Can you post salient excerpts? Can’t get in without a subscription.

That is why news organizations are "failing" - please subscribe, it isn't that much money.

I get it, and we subscribe to the Washington Post, but it practically took an act of God to get my husband to cough up the money (which isn’t trivial).

$8/month is a big lift for you? I really do feel sorry for you--honestly--if that's the case.

Maybe you don't know it or intend to but you sound like an arrogant, entitled ass. Please stop talking about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would argue that Trump actually fell into the Democrats’ trap. They’ve allowed him and his gang of grifters to get more and more comfortable breaking norms and laws without much pushback. And now he’s handed them an impeachable offense on a platter: attempting to convince a foreign government to meddle in America’s election. My assumption is that Pelosi figures that if he did it once in 2016, he would do it again in 2020. And this time Trump has roped in Pence, Barr, Giuliani, and Pompeo.

Democrats could have started the impeachment process a year ago, there was already plenty to work with. However, they decided to wait. Do Republicans ever ask themselves why? In one fell swoop, Democrats can make a credible case that Trump’s cabinet is compromised.

You build a nice case, but honestly, no one on any side made any great plans or strategies. Things are just too complex and unpredictable. Pelosi didn't want her swing-state congresspeople to lose out, that's why she was holding the line on impeachment previously. Trump apparently had this fixation on Ukraine since day 1 and was obsessed with sinking Biden (probably Dem nominee, associated with Obama and Clinton). Pelosi seized the moment when Trump was revealed to have acted rashly regarding Biden, because it just happened to be the time when swing state polls were showing people were tired of Trump and congresspeople there calculated they would be more popular taking a stand than skulking in corners.

It was GOOD TIMING. This is how the world turns, with much less plotting and conspiracy than we think.

PP here:
You make good points. I agree that a lot of this comes down to timing and opportunity. That said, Pelosi was wise enough to know that DJT’s existing crimes were not enough to move the needle. Hence why they waited, as Trump became more and more brazen & careless. Yes, she was trying to protect moderate Dems as their voters seem to not care about POTUS committing crimes that are financial in nature.

However, I would argue that the Democrats must impeach. If they don’t, DJT will continue to solicit foreign actors to meddle in the 2020 election. In that case, I believe Democrats do actually lose. At with impeachment, they can fight back and chart their own destiny. Democrats won’t win if they sit on their hands and let Trump conspire with foreigners.

[Anonymous]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/readout-vice-president-mike-pences-meeting-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy/

The Vice President met today with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine in Warsaw, Poland, following the Ceremony of the 80th Anniversary of the Outbreak of World War II. The Vice President conveyed the United States’ unwavering support for Ukraine’s territorial integrity and sovereignty. He commended President Zelenskyy for his government’s efforts to introduce bold reform legislation to combat corruption and improve the business climate to encourage foreign investment. The leaders also discussed recent progress toward securing Ukraine’s energy independence.

This is the euphamism for this scandal. Pence is directly involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy Moly

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/seven-days-inside-trumps-frenetic-response-to-the-whistleblower-complaint-and-the-battle-over-impeachment/2019/09/25/14ba426a-dfaa-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

I must have missed some moly. That seems about par for the course for how erratic and bungling the Trump Shite House is. Although I did enjoy this passage: “there is the risk that Trump’s frustration over impeachment — which he views as an attack on the legitimacy of his presidency — will come to so enrage him that it prompts him to begin lashing out and behaving erratically. In the words of one former aide, “It may lead to less structured output from the White House.””