Another day, another school shooting

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

I personally think going after the father is cruel. He had a wife for a drug addict and it sounds like he was doing his best under the circumstances. The kid denied the allegations and, most importantly, the FBI let it go. There was no reason for the father to think his son was going to do that.

“There was no reason to think he would do that?” 😳


How about you were told the FBI had linked him to an account saying that he planned to do just that?”

They weren't sure it was his account or that possi7bly his account had been hacked.

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And there was another school shooting in Maryland on Friday at Joppatowne high school. Schools in developed countries are war zones only in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:Glad the father is charged. Buying any child a gun is negligent and reckless endangerment. And when they use it to kill someone, second degree murder.

Personal responsibility and all.

The mother tried to warn the school and went to extreme measures to do so. So for all the nastiness written here, she was the one who did the right thing.

Does anyone find it odd that nobody is asking the questions surrounding this new information? Like if the mom had a ten minute phone call with the school a half hour before the shooting expressing very extreme concern, why wasn't anything done? Why didn't administration find him in his classroom and bring him to the office? This could have prevented the shooting. Is the media protecting the teachers/school administration?

She also jumped in the car to drive 200 miles to the town where her son lived. But yes, that 30 min gap is going to raise a lot of questions.

I mentioned this upthread somewhere, but fall is the most common time for school shootings. I can see where that gets trickier for schools since they are only seeing new students for the first time, and the first week is going to be hectic regardless.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

I personally think going after the father is cruel. He had a wife for a drug addict and it sounds like he was doing his best under the circumstances. The kid denied the allegations and, most importantly, the FBI let it go. There was no reason for the father to think his son was going to do that.

“There was no reason to think he would do that?” 😳


How about you were told the FBI had linked him to an account saying that he planned to do just that?”

As a parent, I would be concerned, but when that didn’t lead to an arrest, I would wonder WTF

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This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
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Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least. I have known kids who have come from broken homes. Kids whose parents neglected them. Kids who are depressed. Kids who have been bullied. Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves. I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them. I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm. A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting. People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting. People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims. They are murderers. In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder. The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.

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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

PP here. Yes. But it was the easy access to the guns they made him a killer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Glad the father is charged. Buying any child a gun is negligent and reckless endangerment. And when they use it to kill someone, second degree murder.

Personal responsibility and all.

The mother tried to warn the school and went to extreme measures to do so. So for all the nastiness written here, she was the one who did the right thing.

Does anyone find it odd that nobody is asking the questions surrounding this new information? Like if the mom had a ten minute phone call with the school a half hour before the shooting expressing very extreme concern, why wasn't anything done? Why didn't administration find him in his classroom and bring him to the office? This could have prevented the shooting. Is the media protecting the teachers/school administration?

The article I read said the call was from 9:50 to 10 am and he left the classroom at 9:45. So it was really too late. First shots fired at 10:10 I think and so whomever she talked to was probably trying to figure out what to do. I haven’t heard where the boy went to get the gun — did he go home to get it or did he already have it outside the school? Did he have to be buzzed back into the school?

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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least. I have known kids who have come from broken homes. Kids whose parents neglected them. Kids who are depressed. Kids who have been bullied. Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves. I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them. I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm. A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting. People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting. People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims. They are murderers. In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder. The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.

This kid did not try to kill as many people as possible. He could have gone into thatFirst unlocked classroom, shut the door behind him and killed everyone in it. Instead it sounds like he spray one round without aiming them kept walking down the hallway shooting until the police showed up and he surrendered. He wasn’t wasting body armor like other shooters have done. I’m not saying this isn’t terrible — he killed four wonderful people and changed the lives of hundreds. But I don’t think he was a soulless murderer. I think he was a really screwed up and lonely kid that might have maybe turned his life around if someone had t given him a gun and a chance to ruin lots of lives in the span of 10 minutes.

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Blaming a Parent, Again, for Failed Gun Laws

If you’re cheering on the charges brought against Colin Gray, the father of our nation’s latest school shooting suspect, it’s worth asking yourself how, exactly, he broke the law.

His 14-year-old son, Colt Gray, has been charged with opening fire at school on Wednesday, killing four people. The assault-style rifle he was accused of using was reportedly a Christmas gift from his dad.

But the Grays live in Georgia, where giving your son an AR-15-style rifle is not, in itself, a crime. (The laws appear to be stricter about handguns.) Nor does Georgia have a law requiring Mr. Gray to safely lock away his guns. Georgia is notorious for having some of the weakest gun laws in the country.

Mr. Gray rocked back and forth in shackles and prison stripes on Friday morning as the charges against him were read. His son had just been charged with murder for opening fire at Apalachee High School, killing two students and two teachers. Next came the charges against the white-haired Mr. Gray, including second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter for allowing his son access to the gun even though, prosecutors say, Mr. Gray knew the boy was a threat to himself and others.

These prosecutions satisfy the public desire to blame somebody. If you don’t like guns, shaming and punishing the parents feels like landing a righteous blow against gun culture. If you do like guns, it’s a bit like the predictable invocation of mental health by politicians — diverting attention from the weapons themselves and suggesting, instead, that the problem is a few bad apples among the owners. Most insidiously, though, these prosecutions set a murky legal precedent for questionable parenting while camouflaging the abject failure of the federal and state governments to adequately regulate gun safety and stop mass shootings.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

PP here. Yes. But it was the easy access to the guns they made him a killer.

Yet many, .many homes have guns and kids don't kill.

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Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

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This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

I personally think going after the father is cruel. He had a wife for a drug addict and it sounds like he was doing his best under the circumstances. The kid denied the allegations and, most importantly, the FBI let it go. There was no reason for the father to think his son was going to do that.

There is probably more information than we know about. Gun could have been improperly stored or other signs were ignored. Can a 14 year old even own a gun or is it technically the father’s?

We can’t go on “probablies” here. FBI failed. Why should father think son is dangerous if FBI don’t?

The FBI identified the kid then handed it off to local authorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least. I have known kids who have come from broken homes. Kids whose parents neglected them. Kids who are depressed. Kids who have been bullied. Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves. I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them. I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm. A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting. People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting. People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims. They are murderers. In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder. The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.

Our society taught him that.

His video games teach shooting and killing.

The internet glorifies this stuff.

The kid did not sit alone on his room and make this idea up.

Automatic weapons are too accessible.