Another day, another school shooting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

100%
This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

I personally think going after the father is cruel. He had a wife for a drug addict and it sounds like he was doing his best under the circumstances. The kid denied the allegations and, most importantly, the FBI let it go. There was no reason for the father to think his son was going to do that.

I personally think that a man who chooses to spend his money on guns instead of rent, and who decides that his clearly trouble son should have a gun, deserves to be treated like a criminal.

Guns are not anti-depressives that you give to cheer a kid up. See what happened to the Crumbleys. He is responsible for very irresponsible parenting that caused the death of four people.

[Anonymous]

Who gives a 14 year old an AR-15 as a birthday gift!

He is warped and a sicko. Hope he rots in jaij with his kid in the next cell.

The mom is some sort of druggie also.

People like that should not be procreating!!

[Anonymous]

It’s a fact of life per JD Vance. Accept it and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering if school administrators will be also arrested for allowing Colt to be relentlessly bullied?

Evidence of this? He had only been in that school a few weeks.

Any school administrator who knew.

This could have been my kid. My kid was relentlessly bullied, and the administrators not only did nothing to punish the bullies, but actually blamed MY HUSBAND for the bullying because my husband called the father of the bully and asked to have a conversation. My husband is NOT me and handled things well (I would have lost my temper). The bully’s father denied it was happening at all. Eventually the school got a new principal and a neighbor and friend went to the principal and explained the history. Principal paid attention and called us and said “this is NOT your son, and I WILL fix it”. And did. That was in elementary school. My kid is profoundly dysgraphic, was tested professionally and confirmed. All he needed was a laptop in school (this was before tablets were commonplace). School refused him, even though he had a 504. He stuck it out through middle school and we moved him to a small private that has been mentioned and made fun of by DCUMers. He was allowed and encouraged to bring a laptop - most kids did. He flourished, made friends, excelled and now, 10 years later, has a fabulous job in tech making bank.

He often tells me that if he had to go through public high, being bullied by students and put down by teachers who thought he was just lazy, he might’ve resorted to violence - he was that angry. He knew we supported him though and that helped. Make no mistake though, it was the change in schooling that turned his world from negative to positive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering if school administrators will be also arrested for allowing Colt to be relentlessly bullied?

Evidence of this? He had only been in that school a few weeks.

Oh, and your school file follows you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yet the FBI protected this kid by doing absolutely nothing when they were alerted. They must be investigated. Or is this just another FBI failure and part of life and we should get used to it?

The FBI required probable cause to arrest anyone. They did not have that. They could not prove the kid made the online threats. They DID recommend that the kid be monitored. I believe that recommendation was made to the school (and if a kid goes to a different school records follow the kid).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering if school administrators will be also arrested for allowing Colt to be relentlessly bullied?

Evidence of this? He had only been in that school a few weeks.

Even still there are many kids who are bullied and don’t shoot up schools. There have been bullies all through history and school shootings are a relatively new phenomenon.

That's true, but--what kids do provides an example other kids end up following (this does not just apply to kids). Just like suicide can have a contagious effect.

Also, a Homeland Defense database going back to 1970 lists 21 school shootings that year.
The database includes a variety of incidents, and sometimes the incidents have involved adults with disputes or attempted burglaries or other crimes by people not connected to the school, a few literal stray bullets including bullets from someone target shooting, accidents with guns in schools (including an ROTC student cleaning his gun),there's gang and racial disputes, but there are also things like students shooting principals who have disciplined or expelled them, gun suicides in schools.

Found another research paper--There are actually a couple of known incidents in the 1800s--1853 (sibling of a student shot the principal who disciplined the student) and 1890 (10 year old girl shot by her male classmate for tattling). Anyway, the frequency has increased but also the lethality. In the 20th century there were more non-fatal injuries than in the 21st. It's the proliferation of weapons and the lethality of the guns kids can get. According to that paper kids who have carried out these shootings have said it was very easy to get guns from parents or grandparents and that if it hadn't been, they probably would not have done it at all.

As for the argument that "many people experience X and don't do Y," that's true, but on the other hand there is a spectrum of results that X will have on people (and in this kid's case, it wouldn't just be bullying, there were apparently years of family upheaval and dysfunction). compare it to disease, say Covid. Millions of people have contracted Covid--let's say people under 65 without comorbidities. Most get through it with no permanent effect. Some have complications but recover fully. Some have complications and recover but have long-term health effects. Some die. Just because most recover fully doesn't mean it didn't cause permanent harm or death to those for whom the outcomes were much worse. This is always the flaw with that argument. (I'm not saying human agency doesn't exist at all, this is an analogy)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Discord account linked to suspect shared plans for mass shooting
The Discord account that the FBI had linked to Colt Gray last year referenced plans for a future mass shooting and shared screenshots of firearms, according to documents obtained by CNN.

“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.”

The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.

Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, “I’m ready.”

The FBI tip was shared with the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office, which closed the investigation after finding that “the user behind the Discord account that made the threat cannot be substantiated.”

A Discord spokesperson told CNN on Wednesday the platform removed an account “believed to be associated with” Gray in May 2023 for violating Discord’s policy against extremism.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/colt-gray-suspect-georgia-shooter/index.html

I can’t believe that in the course of one year he didn’t change his mind or back out. An entire year and never formulated that this was a bad idea. It seemed like he was depressed and be “important” on his way out.

You can’t believe he didn’t just magically cure himself?

After a lifetime of dysfunction, and with no professional help??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Discord account linked to suspect shared plans for mass shooting
The Discord account that the FBI had linked to Colt Gray last year referenced plans for a future mass shooting and shared screenshots of firearms, according to documents obtained by CNN.

“im committing a mass shooting and im waiting a good 2-3 years,” stated the account user, according to screenshots included in an FBI incident report from May 2023 obtained by CNN. “I cant kill myself yet, cause I’m not contributing anything to culture I need to go out knowing I did.”

The account referenced Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooter, and in separate posts shared a desire to target an elementary school and expressed frustration with the acceptance of transgender people.

Above a photograph of two firearms, the account posted, “I’m ready.”

The FBI tip was shared with the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office, which closed the investigation after finding that “the user behind the Discord account that made the threat cannot be substantiated.”

A Discord spokesperson told CNN on Wednesday the platform removed an account “believed to be associated with” Gray in May 2023 for violating Discord’s policy against extremism.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/05/us/colt-gray-suspect-georgia-shooter/index.html

High time to hold the FBI accountable for ignoring Gray.

Seems like again, they relied on local law enforcement. Who are not sophisticated or well trained. They just took the father and their suspect at their word.

In such cases, mental health treatment should be a condition of staying out of lock up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

100%
This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

+1. Bad parenting isn’t a crime. Neglect can be but doesn’t sound like the shooter mom had custody. But there was something about how the shooter mom also abused her own elderly mother. Maybe they’re arresting her on other charges. It’s a big stretch to link her to the school killings if they weren’t even in contact. But people are looking for someone to blame so who knows. It’s easier to do that than face the reality that Georgia allows any idiot and their disturbed kids to have access to guns.

They would not go after a non-custodial father.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

100%
This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

+1. Bad parenting isn’t a crime. Neglect can be but doesn’t sound like the shooter mom had custody. But there was something about how the shooter mom also abused her own elderly mother. Maybe they’re arresting her on other charges. It’s a big stretch to link her to the school killings if they weren’t even in contact. But people are looking for someone to blame so who knows. It’s easier to do that than face the reality that Georgia allows any idiot and their disturbed kids to have access to guns.

She was with that family and kids at least off and on into 2023. Often drinking and/or using drugs, neighbors reported her to their landlord because she would lock their three kids out of the home, sometimes in freezing weather. They would be screaming for her to let them back inside. Often seen in dirty clothing, the kids also asked neighbors for food. Her arrests over a 17 year span occurred in four different counties. Those are just some examples of her parenting that certainly had a negative impact on Colt's emotional development. I'm not saying that the father shouldn't have been arrested for his role in all of this. I just happen to think she's responsible, too.

They called the landlord, not CPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

100%
This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. :roll: It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

I personally think going after the father is cruel. He had a wife for a drug addict and it sounds like he was doing his best under the circumstances. The kid denied the allegations and, most importantly, the FBI let it go. There was no reason for the father to think his son was going to do that.

“There was no reason to think he would do that?” 😳


How about you were told the FBI had linked him to an account saying that he planned to do just that?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I def think the kid was strongly influenced negatively by parents who were nightmares and both contributed to this tragedy. FOR SURE.

But I think the kid in surrendering fairly easy prob did it to get attention as horrible and wrong as it is. The dad messed up most by buying him a weapon as a gift (WTF?!!) but the mom not being there and having a loss of stability in both parents equally messed up - definitely this is not all on the boy but on everyone around him. Sounds also like he was bullied by other kids.

As the poster child of a dysfunctional family myself, it's really really hard to come out of it in one piece. Esp in these times with guns, social media, etc. I can see how that kid was so messed up he didn't know where he was. No excuse and the parents 10000% for sure need to be punished but on some level, this was a tragedy more than what happened at the school and a tragedy for that entire family living the way they were.

100%
This kid was practically raising himself. It's like he was feral or something. It's so awful, and he never stood a chance. Is it only the sperm donor being charged? I know he's the one who purchased the gun, but I don't understand why the egg donor isn't being charged.

We don't know what she did. It is not against the law to be a drug addict or a bad parent.

I understand that. But he's being charged with cruelty to children, and I wondered if that also related to anything she participated in. She sounds horrible. You think she wasn't complicit in this?

He’s being charged with cruelty to children related to the 8 children his son shot with the gun he bought his son. It has nothing to do with his wife.

My question/thought/etc. is that the mother is still in that house, allowed the gun purchase, put up with it, kept it in the house, all of that. I know he purchased the gun, but they both had it in the house.

The mother was not allowed to contact the father directly and had to go through an intermediary so I doubt she was in the house.

She was too busy dtinking and using drugs.

So is every hobo on the street, it's not a crime. It's only a crime if she personally purchased the gun and handed it to the kid after being confronted by FBI for the threats kids made. Which is the reason the father was arrested from what I gather.

Bad parenting isn't a crime and isn't even always going to produce a maladjusted adult, not to mention a criminal or a psycho. Many kids who grow up with bad parents turn out not only ok but even achieve success against odds.

If mother didn't know about the kid's tendencies and didn't facilitate weapon procurement she isn't guilty. It's insane to think she is. By same logic every parent of every kid who killed someone should go to prison, why does it matter what the weapon of the murder is? If parenting is the cause of the kid committing a crime like some think, then any kid committing a crime did so because of their parents and parents should be incarcerated.

I personally think going after the father is cruel. He had a wife for a drug addict and it sounds like he was doing his best under the circumstances. The kid denied the allegations and, most importantly, the FBI let it go. There was no reason for the father to think his son was going to do that.

I personally think that a man who chooses to spend his money on guns instead of rent, and who decides that his clearly trouble son should have a gun, deserves to be treated like a criminal.

Guns are not anti-depressives that you give to cheer a kid up. See what happened to the Crumbleys. He is responsible for very irresponsible parenting that caused the death of four people.

+1. Giving your troubled son an AR 15 is abusive.

[Anonymous]

Glad the father is charged. Buying any child a gun is negligent and reckless endangerment. And when they use it to kill someone, second degree murder.

Personal responsibility and all.

The mother tried to warn the school and went to extreme measures to do so. So for all the nastiness written here, she was the one who did the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Glad the father is charged. Buying any child a gun is negligent and reckless endangerment. And when they use it to kill someone, second degree murder.

Personal responsibility and all.

The mother tried to warn the school and went to extreme measures to do so. So for all the nastiness written here, she was the one who did the right thing.

Does anyone find it odd that nobody is asking the questions surrounding this new information? Like if the mom had a ten minute phone call with the school a half hour before the shooting expressing very extreme concern, why wasn't anything done? Why didn't administration find him in his classroom and bring him to the office? This could have prevented the shooting. Is the media protecting the teachers/school administration?