Another day, another school shooting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yet the FBI protected this kid by doing absolutely nothing when they were alerted. They must be investigated. Or is this just another FBI failure and part of life and we should get used to it?

The FBI required probable cause to arrest anyone. They did not have that. They could not prove the kid made the online threats. They DID recommend that the kid be monitored. I believe that recommendation was made to the school (and if a kid goes to a different school records follow the kid).

Though the school denies being informed. Now watch all of the adults point fingers.

The state legislature should have been the last line of defense…but they failed the children of their state by having such weak laws.

[Anonymous]

It seems like maybe the administration pulled the wrong kid out of class (who had a similar name)!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

PP here. Yes. But it was the easy access to the guns they made him a killer.

Yet many, .many homes have guns and kids don't kill.

Number 1 cause of death by children is guns. My argument is we need less guns overall and all guns need to have safe storage for those under 18 (wish 21).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wondering if school administrators will be also arrested for allowing Colt to be relentlessly bullied?

Evidence of this? He had only been in that school a few weeks.

Any school administrator who knew.

This could have been my kid. My kid was relentlessly bullied, and the administrators not only did nothing to punish the bullies, but actually blamed MY HUSBAND for the bullying because my husband called the father of the bully and asked to have a conversation. My husband is NOT me and handled things well (I would have lost my temper). The bully’s father denied it was happening at all. Eventually the school got a new principal and a neighbor and friend went to the principal and explained the history. Principal paid attention and called us and said “this is NOT your son, and I WILL fix it”. And did. That was in elementary school. My kid is profoundly dysgraphic, was tested professionally and confirmed. All he needed was a laptop in school (this was before tablets were commonplace). School refused him, even though he had a 504. He stuck it out through middle school and we moved him to a small private that has been mentioned and made fun of by DCUMers. He was allowed and encouraged to bring a laptop - most kids did. He flourished, made friends, excelled and now, 10 years later, has a fabulous job in tech making bank.

He often tells me that if he had to go through public high, being bullied by students and put down by teachers who thought he was just lazy, he might’ve resorted to violence - he was that angry. He knew we supported him though and that helped. Make no mistake though, it was the change in schooling that turned his world from negative to positive.

I am so happy for your son that he succeeded. Truly. And good for you and your husband for protecting your child. I have a profoundly dysgraphic and pulled him out of FCPS in second grade -- no bullying and the school was supportive but the IEP was totally inadequate and child was depressed. Best thing we ever did was take him out. College student doing great now.

Kid should and will go to jail for life and I am so happy that gun-buying parents are being held accountable. But that doesn't change another huge point" Schools do not do enough about bullying. It is incredibly damaging and everyone knows it.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why the shooter is charged with second degree murder and not first

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wondering if school administrators will be also arrested for allowing Colt to be relentlessly bullied?

Evidence of this? He had only been in that school a few weeks.

Any school administrator who knew.

This could have been my kid. My kid was relentlessly bullied, and the administrators not only did nothing to punish the bullies, but actually blamed MY HUSBAND for the bullying because my husband called the father of the bully and asked to have a conversation. My husband is NOT me and handled things well (I would have lost my temper). The bully’s father denied it was happening at all. Eventually the school got a new principal and a neighbor and friend went to the principal and explained the history. Principal paid attention and called us and said “this is NOT your son, and I WILL fix it”. And did. That was in elementary school. My kid is profoundly dysgraphic, was tested professionally and confirmed. All he needed was a laptop in school (this was before tablets were commonplace). School refused him, even though he had a 504. He stuck it out through middle school and we moved him to a small private that has been mentioned and made fun of by DCUMers. He was allowed and encouraged to bring a laptop - most kids did. He flourished, made friends, excelled and now, 10 years later, has a fabulous job in tech making bank.

He often tells me that if he had to go through public high, being bullied by students and put down by teachers who thought he was just lazy, he might’ve resorted to violence - he was that angry. He knew we supported him though and that helped. Make no mistake though, it was the change in schooling that turned his world from negative to positive.

I am so happy for your son that he succeeded. Truly. And good for you and your husband for protecting your child. I have a profoundly dysgraphic and pulled him out of FCPS in second grade -- no bullying and the school was supportive but the IEP was totally inadequate and child was depressed. Best thing we ever did was take him out. College student doing great now.

Kid should and will go to jail for life and I am so happy that gun-buying parents are being held accountable. But that doesn't change another huge point" Schools do not do enough about bullying. It is incredibly damaging and everyone knows it.

I’m the PP and thank you. So glad you also saw the writing on the wall and acted. You are right that the IEPs and 501s are inadequate. Even with us willing and able to provide the tech he needed, we were told no. Bullying is horrible and you’re right, the schools do not really act on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

PP here. Yes. But it was the easy access to the guns they made him a killer.

Yet many, .many homes have guns and kids don't kill.

Most gun incidents involving kids (and adults), happens within the home. You don’t know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

PP here. Yes. But it was the easy access to the guns they made him a killer.

Yet many, .many homes have guns and kids don't kill.

Number 1 cause of death by children is guns. My argument is we need less guns overall and all guns need to have safe storage for those under 18 (wish 21).

PP here. I don't disagree with you. Just pointing out that it's also a huge mental health issue and too many kids playing violent video games and watching violent movies with sadistic brutality. I work in the public schools and hear what the kids are saying they do and watch-- some as young as 5. There are many home with guns, and the parents and heir kids aren't killing anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

His mom is very much responsible for much of the mental health of their kids. She and her husband put those kids through he..ll for all their lives.

PP here. Yes. But it was the easy access to the guns they made him a killer.

Yet many, .many homes have guns and kids don't kill.

Most gun incidents involving kids (and adults), happens within the home. You don’t know that?

Yes, I do know. I work in public schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least. I have known kids who have come from broken homes. Kids whose parents neglected them. Kids who are depressed. Kids who have been bullied. Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves. I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them. I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm. A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting. People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting. People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims. They are murderers. In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder. The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.

Our society taught him that.

His video games teach shooting and killing.

The internet glorifies this stuff.

The kid did not sit alone on his room and make this idea up.

Automatic weapons are too accessible.

So we need to enforce that crimes have consequences. Right now, the reason that conservative society doesn't take these crimes seriously is that there are not consequences. Enforce consequences and society will learn to teach something else. If there are consequences, then gun safety can become a societal concern.

There are many of us who do teach our kids about safety when it comes to guns. If parents are held accountable and responsible, then maybe more parents will teach concern.

You say that the kid did not sit alone in his room and make this idea up. But the vast majority of kids, even kids who play violent video games and watches violent movies, do not get a gun and go on a rampage killing others. The majority of kids who are depressed do not look for a gun to kill others. The majority of kids who have access to guns do not get them to go out and shoot others to kill for no reason.

The majority, even those who are bullies at heart, will threaten, will shoot at something else, whether targets, animals (not condoning animal cruelty, but just saying that this is a lesser crime that often is used as a surrogate for harming others), or will injure in a non-lethal way. There are many who might do something like this without thinking or planning, but it takes someone that is criminal to actually think this, plot this, plan this, take the weapon with you, and to actually go through with this. This was premeditated.

Regardless of all that you wrote, the point is that he had access to guns (father's fault), he had no moral compass to control the notion that shooting at other people who did nothing to you was wrong (parent's fault) and he had shown signs that he was not stable enough mentally to own a gun (father ignored).

This kid is not to be pitied. He is not the victim here. He may have been influenced as you said, but it takes more than just societal influence and a culture of violence to actually take a weapon and aim it at other people, especially innocent people who have done no wrong, and to actually pull the trigger and kill them.

[Anonymous]

They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least. I have known kids who have come from broken homes. Kids whose parents neglected them. Kids who are depressed. Kids who have been bullied. Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves. I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them. I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm. A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting. People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting. People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims. They are murderers. In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder. The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.

Our society taught him that.

His video games teach shooting and killing.

The internet glorifies this stuff.

The kid did not sit alone on his room and make this idea up.

Automatic weapons are too accessible.

So we need to enforce that crimes have consequences. Right now, the reason that conservative society doesn't take these crimes seriously is that there are not consequences. Enforce consequences and society will learn to teach something else. If there are consequences, then gun safety can become a societal concern.

There are many of us who do teach our kids about safety when it comes to guns. If parents are held accountable and responsible, then maybe more parents will teach concern.

You say that the kid did not sit alone in his room and make this idea up. But the vast majority of kids, even kids who play violent video games and watches violent movies, do not get a gun and go on a rampage killing others. The majority of kids who are depressed do not look for a gun to kill others. The majority of kids who have access to guns do not get them to go out and shoot others to kill for no reason.

The majority, even those who are bullies at heart, will threaten, will shoot at something else, whether targets, animals (not condoning animal cruelty, but just saying that this is a lesser crime that often is used as a surrogate for harming others), or will injure in a non-lethal way. There are many who might do something like this without thinking or planning, but it takes someone that is criminal to actually think this, plot this, plan this, take the weapon with you, and to actually go through with this. This was premeditated.

Regardless of all that you wrote, the point is that he had access to guns (father's fault), he had no moral compass to control the notion that shooting at other people who did nothing to you was wrong (parent's fault) and he had shown signs that he was not stable enough mentally to own a gun (father ignored).

This kid is not to be pitied. He is not the victim here. He may have been influenced as you said, but it takes more than just societal influence and a culture of violence to actually take a weapon and aim it at other people, especially innocent people who have done no wrong, and to actually pull the trigger and kill them.

I don’t care about that. I just want all ar16s banned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

Wrong. The United States has, by far, the highest rate of privately-owned guns per inhabitant. Yemen, the country with the second highest gun ownership rate worldwide, only has half of the U.S. rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

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