Another day, another school shooting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

The most homogeneous parts of the US seem to have this at the same or higher rate than the least.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least. I have known kids who have come from broken homes. Kids whose parents neglected them. Kids who are depressed. Kids who have been bullied. Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves. I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them. I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm. A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting. People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting. People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims. They are murderers. In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder. The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.

Our society taught him that.

His video games teach shooting and killing.

The internet glorifies this stuff.

The kid did not sit alone on his room and make this idea up.

Automatic weapons are too accessible.

So we need to enforce that crimes have consequences. Right now, the reason that conservative society doesn't take these crimes seriously is that there are not consequences. Enforce consequences and society will learn to teach something else. If there are consequences, then gun safety can become a societal concern.

There are many of us who do teach our kids about safety when it comes to guns. If parents are held accountable and responsible, then maybe more parents will teach concern.

You say that the kid did not sit alone in his room and make this idea up. But the vast majority of kids, even kids who play violent video games and watches violent movies, do not get a gun and go on a rampage killing others. The majority of kids who are depressed do not look for a gun to kill others. The majority of kids who have access to guns do not get them to go out and shoot others to kill for no reason.

The majority, even those who are bullies at heart, will threaten, will shoot at something else, whether targets, animals (not condoning animal cruelty, but just saying that this is a lesser crime that often is used as a surrogate for harming others), or will injure in a non-lethal way. There are many who might do something like this without thinking or planning, but it takes someone that is criminal to actually think this, plot this, plan this, take the weapon with you, and to actually go through with this. This was premeditated.

Regardless of all that you wrote, the point is that he had access to guns (father's fault), he had no moral compass to control the notion that shooting at other people who did nothing to you was wrong (parent's fault) and he had shown signs that he was not stable enough mentally to own a gun (father ignored).

This kid is not to be pitied. He is not the victim here. He may have been influenced as you said, but it takes more than just societal influence and a culture of violence to actually take a weapon and aim it at other people, especially innocent people who have done no wrong, and to actually pull the trigger and kill them.

I don’t care about that. I just want all ar16s banned

Exactly. I don’t care about a bunch of egghead scientific data-schmata analysis from a bunch of nerds and doctors. I just want something quick and reflexive that we can do without thinking, that won’t change anything in MY life.

[Anonymous]

I would like to see some kind of middle status for kids like Colt Gray that doesn't involve juvenile vs adult court. Given the fact that this kid was obviously troubled (and how did missing 9 days of school not go unnoticed? I'd get a phone call anytime my kid was in school if I had not had time or forgot to call them when he had appts or was ill) it makes sense for the criminal justice system (with IMO court oversight) to have custody of him for a long time for rehab purposes, but life sentence, with or without parole (they said without, I thought that option has to be left open now) is to my mind just wrong. At least for kids under 16 although I would go higher (with longer custody for older minors).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

The most homogeneous parts of the US seem to have this at the same or higher rate than the least.

+1 has zero to do with how homogeneous the country is. Zero. Look at Canada (highish immigrant population) as an example, and very low mass shootings.

This is uniquely an American thing because we have an obsession with guns -- "from my cold dead hands".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see some kind of middle status for kids like Colt Gray that doesn't involve juvenile vs adult court. Given the fact that this kid was obviously troubled (and how did missing 9 days of school not go unnoticed? I'd get a phone call anytime my kid was in school if I had not had time or forgot to call them when he had appts or was ill) it makes sense for the criminal justice system (with IMO court oversight) to have custody of him for a long time for rehab purposes, but life sentence, with or without parole (they said without, I thought that option has to be left open now) is to my mind just wrong. At least for kids under 16 although I would go higher (with longer custody for older minors).

I could see your argument if this was involuntary manslaughter. Accidents that kill people. Mistakes that kill people.

I do not agree that teens or adults who kill people intentionally should be given any leeway. This child was gifted a military style weapon. He planned to go to school and shoot people who did nothing wrong and that he didn't even know. He went in with the intention to spray his weapon into rooms with innocents and kill anyone he could. I'm sorry, but even if the system failed him, that is inexcusable. If you want to make others his accomplices, that's fine. But there is no way to say that a person who thinks like this is not a danger to society and should not be out in society. Period. I can understand if you want him incarcerated in a youth/juvenile facility until he turns 18, then convert his sentence to an adult facility.

But I do not think that there is any reason to allow someone who thinks/thought like this out in society. I also believe that the parents and anyone else who abetted this crime, should also be punished. His father should be treated like the Crumbleys.

[Anonymous]

SSRI and other Big Pharma medications are the cause.

They were ramped up in the mid 1990s and now SSRI/NSRI medications are the #1 prescribed drug in the country by far.

Funny how this simple fact is suppressed by Big Pharma corporations and the US Government officials who are paid off by them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

The most homogeneous parts of the US seem to have this at the same or higher rate than the least.

+1 has zero to do with how homogeneous the country is. Zero. Look at Canada (highish immigrant population) as an example, and very low mass shootings.

This is uniquely an American thing because we have an obsession with guns -- "from my cold dead hands".

[Anonymous]

Political distraction topic.

[Anonymous]

I love trying to blame immigration when the overwhelming majority of mass shootings are by WHITE "real" 'mericans

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away?
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun?
???

Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations. Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.

Look this is simple start setting examples. Yes, the kid had a troubled life and bad parents. But so do a lot of kids and they don’t all take this action.

Kid gets tried as an adult and executed. Same for the dad. Because mom made the call life without parole.

Make it a public spectacle. Nationwide TV coverage. Set a visible example for as many parents as possible to see.

[Anonymous]

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That made me cry. The trauma for all the kids and that poor teacher. God please help our country move beyond “thoughts and prayers” to action so our kids can be safe at school.

Who is Anna? Another student in bathroom or elsewhere? Can’t imagine what these teacher’s go through. Thank God they made it out ok. All in reverence to 2A fking freaks. Pass the damn gun laws. Harshest punishment for adults providing guns or address. VOTE if you LOVE your kids. If not, they’ll never respect you, nor protect you when you’re old and vulnerable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That made me cry. The trauma for all the kids and that poor teacher. God please help our country move beyond “thoughts and prayers” to action so our kids can be safe at school.

Who is Anna? Another student in bathroom or elsewhere? Can’t imagine what these teacher’s go through. Thank God they made it out ok. All in reverence to 2A fking freaks. Pass the damn gun laws. Harshest punishment for adults providing guns or address. VOTE if you LOVE your kids. If not, they’ll never respect you, nor protect you when you’re old and vulnerable.

I posted this and I took it to mean that Anna is her own daughter who attends the school where she teaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have violent video games and movies in other countries. How come they don’t have nearly as many school shootings?

I assume you are asking about western countries?

Homogenous societies and better mental health support.

The most homogeneous parts of the US seem to have this at the same or higher rate than the least.

+1 has zero to do with how homogeneous the country is. Zero. Look at Canada (highish immigrant population) as an example, and very low mass shootings.

This is uniquely an American thing because we have an obsession with guns -- "from my cold dead hands".

They also don’t have the NRA. We need to bankrupt the NRA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see some kind of middle status for kids like Colt Gray that doesn't involve juvenile vs adult court. Given the fact that this kid was obviously troubled (and how did missing 9 days of school not go unnoticed? I'd get a phone call anytime my kid was in school if I had not had time or forgot to call them when he had appts or was ill) it makes sense for the criminal justice system (with IMO court oversight) to have custody of him for a long time for rehab purposes, but life sentence, with or without parole (they said without, I thought that option has to be left open now) is to my mind just wrong. At least for kids under 16 although I would go higher (with longer custody for older minors).

I could see your argument if this was involuntary manslaughter. Accidents that kill people. Mistakes that kill people.

I do not agree that teens or adults who kill people intentionally should be given any leeway. This child was gifted a military style weapon. He planned to go to school and shoot people who did nothing wrong and that he didn't even know. He went in with the intention to spray his weapon into rooms with innocents and kill anyone he could. I'm sorry, but even if the system failed him, that is inexcusable. If you want to make others his accomplices, that's fine. But there is no way to say that a person who thinks like this is not a danger to society and should not be out in society. Period. I can understand if you want him incarcerated in a youth/juvenile facility until he turns 18, then convert his sentence to an adult facility.

But I do not think that there is any reason to allow someone who thinks/thought like this out in society. I also believe that the parents and anyone else who abetted this crime, should also be punished. His father should be treated like the Crumbleys.

I assume then that you don't agree that the death penalty should not be imposed on children. Like George Stinney (age 14, executed in the electric chair in 1944--he did not get due process, but if he had, that would be fine?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see some kind of middle status for kids like Colt Gray that doesn't involve juvenile vs adult court. Given the fact that this kid was obviously troubled (and how did missing 9 days of school not go unnoticed? I'd get a phone call anytime my kid was in school if I had not had time or forgot to call them when he had appts or was ill) it makes sense for the criminal justice system (with IMO court oversight) to have custody of him for a long time for rehab purposes, but life sentence, with or without parole (they said without, I thought that option has to be left open now) is to my mind just wrong. At least for kids under 16 although I would go higher (with longer custody for older minors).

I could see your argument if this was involuntary manslaughter. Accidents that kill people. Mistakes that kill people.

I do not agree that teens or adults who kill people intentionally should be given any leeway. This child was gifted a military style weapon. He planned to go to school and shoot people who did nothing wrong and that he didn't even know. He went in with the intention to spray his weapon into rooms with innocents and kill anyone he could. I'm sorry, but even if the system failed him, that is inexcusable. If you want to make others his accomplices, that's fine. But there is no way to say that a person who thinks like this is not a danger to society and should not be out in society. Period. I can understand if you want him incarcerated in a youth/juvenile facility until he turns 18, then convert his sentence to an adult facility.

But I do not think that there is any reason to allow someone who thinks/thought like this out in society. I also believe that the parents and anyone else who abetted this crime, should also be punished. His father should be treated like the Crumbleys.

I assume then that you don't agree that the death penalty should not be imposed on children. Like George Stinney (age 14, executed in the electric chair in 1944--he did not get due process, but if he had, that would be fine?)

No, I do not. As I said, the father and son should not be out in society. They are a danger to society. But they should be tried for murder, not manslaughter. He deliberately and willfully decided to kill people and accomplished that task. The father abetted murder.