Missionaries should be banned

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I see from this thread is a mess of people not helping truly poverty stricken people, and complaining about the people that actually help.

Get off your duff and put your money where your mouth is.

Chances of that are zero. Missionaries at least help some people. More than the whiners in this thread do.

Move to communist China and get your missionary banning kicks. You will love it there.

DP here. I'd list what I give and the charitable work I do, but that would make me almost as much of an asshole as you for assuming it to be zero.

What makes the secular gift better is a lack of ulterior motive. Get it?

62% of religious households give to charity compared to 46% of unaffiliated households (Philanthropy Daily).

So religious household are bad because their religious beliefs encourage them to give more?

The important thing is people donate time and money to help others. Period. Just because you don’t agree with their motivation, doesn’t negate the act nor the charity.

Ridiculous people on this thread would rather poverty stricken people receive no or less help because of “religion.” Get over yourself. Your personal opinions aren’t more important than people in need receiving help and aid.

If religious groups dangled food and water and medical help in front of those in need and demanded the people in need convert publicly before they could receive the help, that would be proselytizing. That’s not what is happening.

Religious groups have the means and infrastructure and funding to help those in need. If that offends you, do something about it.

What % of those donations are to religious organizations? Or even their own church?

Seems like you need a refresher on the definition:
proselytize: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

It's not the giving or the motivation that is the issue.

It's the co-mingling of charity with proselytizing during vulnerable moments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All I see from this thread is a mess of people not helping truly poverty stricken people, and complaining about the people that actually help.

Get off your duff and put your money where your mouth is.

Chances of that are zero. Missionaries at least help some people. More than the whiners in this thread do.

Move to communist China and get your missionary banning kicks. You will love it there.

DP here. I'd list what I give and the charitable work I do, but that would make me almost as much of an asshole as you for assuming it to be zero.

What makes the secular gift better is a lack of ulterior motive. Get it?

62% of religious households give to charity compared to 46% of unaffiliated households (Philanthropy Daily).

So religious household are bad because their religious beliefs encourage them to give more?

The important thing is people donate time and money to help others. Period. Just because you don’t agree with their motivation, doesn’t negate the act nor the charity.

Ridiculous people on this thread would rather poverty stricken people receive no or less help because of “religion.” Get over yourself. Your personal opinions aren’t more important than people in need receiving help and aid.

If religious groups dangled food and water and medical help in front of those in need and demanded the people in need convert publicly before they could receive the help, that would be proselytizing. That’s not what is happening.

Religious groups have the means and infrastructure and funding to help those in need. If that offends you, do something about it.

What % of those donations are to religious organizations? Or even their own church?

Seems like you need a refresher on the definition:
proselytize: to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause

It's not the giving or the motivation that is the issue.

It's the co-mingling of charity with proselytizing during vulnerable moments.

Atheists and anti-theists want to convert people to atheism. They just aren’t organized and well-funded enough to be missionaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

It’s cute you think you can post this three pages after it was thoroughly dissected and make the same dishonest claims about it. You must be counting on nobody going back and reading those earlier analyses.

[Anonymous]

I mean, how do you think people in Indonesia ended up as Muslims to begin with? Or Norwegians ended up as Christians? Or Chinese people as Buddhists? Religions spread and change over time. They are not fixed in place.

[Anonymous]

Still waiting for wine-swilling pp to explain why she thinks people in third-world countries can’t make up their own minds about a religion. Even if they have to listen to a missionary’s spiel before accepting some service, pp thinks they can’t pretend to listen and/or ignore it.

Pp is sickeningly patronizing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

It’s cute you think you can post this three pages after it was thoroughly dissected and make the same dishonest claims about it. You must be counting on nobody going back and reading those earlier analyses.

Still haven’t answered the question.

You know it’s unethical for missionaries to proselytize during vulnerable moments and you are too craven to admit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for wine-swilling pp to explain why she thinks people in third-world countries can’t make up their own minds about a religion. Even if they have to listen to a missionary’s spiel before accepting some service, pp thinks they can’t pretend to listen and/or ignore it.

Pp is sickeningly patronizing.

Do you think it’s ethical for missionaries to make a “spiel” while providing critical care? Is that a fair power balance if the recipient is vulnerable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

You've clearly broken the unwritten 15 post max in a thread rule with basically the SAME post, over and over and over and over. You seem disordered.

All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy ?? anyone?

What is truly fascinating in all this is YOU are the only one proselytizing. It's meaning has a negative connotation, like exactly your attitude here and what you are doing. I know, you wanted to sound uber cool slinging the word around, but, it's a fail like a kindergartener using a thesaurus. Fail. Misusage. By contrast, missionaries spread the gospel, and some also do charity work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, how do you think people in Indonesia ended up as Muslims to begin with? Or Norwegians ended up as Christians? Or Chinese people as Buddhists? Religions spread and change over time. They are not fixed in place.

Right. We are talking about proselytizing techniques in 2022 and what would be considered ethical today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

You've clearly broken the unwritten 15 post max in a thread rule with basically the SAME post, over and over and over and over. You seem disordered.

All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy ?? anyone?

What is truly fascinating in all this is YOU are the only one proselytizing. It's meaning has a negative connotation, like exactly your attitude here and what you are doing. I know, you wanted to sound uber cool slinging the word around, but, it's a fail like a kindergartener using a thesaurus. Fail. Misusage. By contrast, missionaries spread the gospel, and some also do charity work.

The topic is modern-day missionaries and the impact they have on the people they are “helping”.

It’s unethical for them to proselytize while assisting vulnerable people. The power imbalance creates an implicit quid pro quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

You've clearly broken the unwritten 15 post max in a thread rule with basically the SAME post, over and over and over and over. You seem disordered.

All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy ?? anyone?

What is truly fascinating in all this is YOU are the only one proselytizing. It's meaning has a negative connotation, like exactly your attitude here and what you are doing. I know, you wanted to sound uber cool slinging the word around, but, it's a fail like a kindergartener using a thesaurus. Fail. Misusage. By contrast, missionaries spread the gospel, and some also do charity work.

The topic is modern-day missionaries and the impact they have on the people they are “helping”.

It’s unethical for them to proselytize while assisting vulnerable people. The power imbalance creates an implicit quid pro quo.

You're unbelievable. It's like a weeble wobble or a 45 record on repeat. Please, find a better word at least.

[Anonymous]

If you don’t want to hear about proselytizing then don’t open a thread about missionaries.