Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw on Fox news that the investigation has shifted to the assistant. They focused on fact that the camera was stolen from the house prior to the crime.

The security camera?

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Anonymous wrote:Bruce Leshan is now reporting that police failed to find anything from the search warrant for JW's car and that police are not even calling JW a person of interest.

http://www.wusa9.com/videos/news/local/dc/2015/06/04/28501343/

Maybe Bruce should have asked the police that before he stirred up a mob against Wallace.

JW has not been cleared by the police that we know of. Leshan merely stated that they didn't find anything as a result of the search warrant. We have insufficient information to come to a conclusion with respect to JW one way or another.

It is certainly worth noting that among the items not found is the red-lined bag in which JW carried the money. Seems to have disappeared between time of delivery and return from Chantilly to the scene of the crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw on Fox news that the investigation has shifted to the assistant. They focused on fact that the camera was stolen from the house prior to the crime.

Keep us posted, please.

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Anonymous wrote:Bruce Leshan is now reporting that police failed to find anything from the search warrant for JW's car and that police are not even calling JW a person of interest.

http://www.wusa9.com/videos/news/local/dc/2015/06/04/28501343/

Maybe Bruce should have asked the police that before he stirred up a mob against Wallace.

JW has not been cleared by the police that we know of. Leshan merely stated that they didn't find anything as a result of the search warrant. We have insufficient information to come to a conclusion with respect to JW one way or another.

It is certainly worth noting that among the items not found is the red-lined bag in which JW carried the money. Seems to have disappeared between time of delivery and return from Chantilly to the scene of the crime.

That is weird. Did JW ever give a statement (that we know of), indicating what he did with the bag after putting the money in the manila envelope? He knows what he did with it....and I'm sure the police have questioned him about it.

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JW lied about the car being locked or unlocked. The suspicion is that the locked car would mean JW interacted with someone in the house instead of placing it on the car seat, when dropping off the cash.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't stop thinking about this family. Why didn't they scream to call 911, especially when their child was being hurt and there was nothing to lose? I can't get this out of my head -- I have no connection to this family but I find myself tearing up about it multiple times a day.

I can relate. I have no connection to the family either but am shocked to the core with what seems like an outright act of evil. They killers could have gotten the money without resorting to torture. I'm sure Mr. Savapoulos would have done anything to protect his family and their housekeeper.

I play through in my mind what would have happened if he did blurt out to call 911 during one of his phone calls: would the killers have fled immediately? Would they have killed the child and then fled? Killed everyone and fled? I know it's just Monday morning quarterbacking at this point, but like others, I think , what if?

I keep thinking it too. All day, everyday. What, oh what, could have kept them from asking for help in all of their calls/txts??!! Something did. We may never know. The only thing I can think of is that during every call/txt, Wint would start torturing the boy so that Amy/Savvas would comply to get the torture to stop asap. Sickening. I'm worried I'll never stop playing this nightmare over and over in my head.

this is not normal or healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who is thinking about this "all day, every day." I think you need to try to get yourself to stop thinking about this. It doesn't help anyone and it won't make this go away. You may just make yourself ill. I'm not a doctor or psychologist, but I think that obsessing over something this upsetting and horrible could have long-term effects.

If you were close to the family, then ignore my comment. I have no business advising you.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who is thinking about this "all day, every day." I think you need to try to get yourself to stop thinking about this. It doesn't help anyone and it won't make this go away. You may just make yourself ill. I'm not a doctor or psychologist, but I think that obsessing over something this upsetting and horrible could have long-term effects.

If you were close to the family, then ignore my comment. I have no business advising you.

I didn't know the family. I'm a new mother and all I can think about is that child, what he went through, and what his family went through. Am I the only one? I guess I need to stay off of this thread but I feel compelled to learn everything there is to know about what happened, and think about what I can do to protect myself and my family from monsters like this who exist in our world.

You do sound irrationally obsessive

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who is thinking about this "all day, every day." I think you need to try to get yourself to stop thinking about this. It doesn't help anyone and it won't make this go away. You may just make yourself ill. I'm not a doctor or psychologist, but I think that obsessing over something this upsetting and horrible could have long-term effects.

If you were close to the family, then ignore my comment. I have no business advising you.

I didn't know the family. I'm a new mother and all I can think about is that child, what he went through, and what his family went through. Am I the only one? I guess I need to stay off of this thread but I feel compelled to learn everything there is to know about what happened, and think about what I can do to protect myself and my family from monsters like this who exist in our world.

You are not the only one. I knew the family just a little bit and I'm beyond upset about this. I understand exactly how you feel. But at some point you have to just move forward and try not to think about it. This kind of event is really rare.

I'm sorry that you had somewhat of a tie to this family, but I thank you for injecting some rationality and good advice here.

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The red lined bag is a bit of a red herring. The bag as been described in the charging documents and the search warrants as both a "red bag" and a "red lined bag."
Included the list of items recovered from JW's BMW are "two back packs." The bag they were searching for could be a back pack with a red lining.

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Anonymous wrote:JW lied about the car being locked or unlocked. The suspicion is that the locked car would mean JW interacted with someone in the house instead of placing it on the car seat, when dropping off the cash.

Thanks. Honestly, I've been too dense to understand the significance of that innocuous fact/lie. In due time, we will know about JW's involvement, if any. If he was (and that's still a big if given the mountain of information not publicly known) it's scary to think he was invited/hired into their world and allowed such close personal access. I suspect SS and AS were like most parents: careful about who is allowed access into their family. Plainly, there was no hint any of their household employees were capable of this. Again, though, still very possible he wasn't involved. Lying in this context, especially about seemingly innocuous facts, is a big red flag.

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Anonymous wrote:To the poster who is thinking about this "all day, every day." I think you need to try to get yourself to stop thinking about this. It doesn't help anyone and it won't make this go away. You may just make yourself ill. I'm not a doctor or psychologist, but I think that obsessing over something this upsetting and horrible could have long-term effects.

If you were close to the family, then ignore my comment. I have no business advising you.

I didn't know the family. I'm a new mother and all I can think about is that child, what he went through, and what his family went through. Am I the only one? I guess I need to stay off of this thread but I feel compelled to learn everything there is to know about what happened, and think about what I can do to protect myself and my family from monsters like this who exist in our world.

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Slightly off topic but perhaps it can help you a bit, pp -- I will never forget reading Kate Atkinson's Case Histories in the weeks following my daughter's birth. I was 40 at the time and had been a voracious reader all my and an English teacher/professor for nearly 18 years: I thought I knew everything about catharsis, unpacking texts to find meaning, etc.,. But in reading Case Histories (which concerns the death of a child) as a new mom, I suddenly understood, in a way I never had before, what it meant to be 'scared' of death -- not my own, not my husband's, not my parents', not my friends' (by that time, I'd lost my best friend to cancer and several close relatives as well). Rather, I suddenly became terrified of what it might mean to lose my baby girl. I thought about the book constantly and even today, reading it or any work about losing a child can bring me to my knees emotionally.

If fiction did that to me, I can only imagine what, as a new mom, you're reeling with in imagining the evil and sheer hell enveloping a family, a situation that unfolded 'in real life' less than a month ago. At least in my own case, as well, I suspect that being post partum and hormonally upside down also impacted my thinking about losing a child. If any new mom (or anyone, generally) finds themselves unable to 'let go' of thinking about this terrible tragedy, then perhaps some counseling would help. But I don't think you need to stay off the thread, especially if it's giving you some feeling of connection to sharing your emotions.

The other comment I will make on this is, again, slightly off topic but related. In December 2012, my daughter was the same age as the murdered children in Newtown. The afternoon of the murders, two colleagues reached out to me. They were both trained clinicians, and both said, in essence, "I know that [your DD] is in first grade and I know this tragedy hurts in an even more profound way for you." I don't measure or compare grief and sorrow, but I can tell you that I grieved and mourned for each of them and their teachers and principal as though I had known them, and in a way I had not during 9/11 or after the Oklahoma bombings or any other inexplicable horror/murder that impacted children. I will also never forget watching the memorial service on television the Sunday after the murders and hearing my husband sob in so much raw pain that it scared me: both of us could all too easily imagine ourselves in the Newtown parents' situation.

I hope, pp, that you are able to find some peace and that you are also able to live as much in the moment as possible in the days and weeks and years to come. If the horrors of the Washington murders compel you to think about how to protect your family, as you've said, I hope you can also turn some of the emotional energy towards cherishing every day you have with your new baby.

Take care.

I think it is odd and slightly narcissistic/self absorbed to turn tragedy into a pity party/emotional meltdown for yourself, when you have ZERO connection to the tragedy at hand, except for a child who is the same age. Just strange, honestly.

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Anonymous wrote:JW lied about the car being locked or unlocked. The suspicion is that the locked car would mean JW interacted with someone in the house instead of placing it on the car seat, when dropping off the cash.

Interesting point. I was thinking it was a matter of access to lots of keys.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the end of another week. Would be such a relief if LE could release something else to the public today ... We are going to wear ourselves out with speculation.

But I think the reality is we won't get real details for some time. I'm sure they want to proceed very carefully, knowing they have air-tight evidence that will stick to others arrested, and that will hold up in court. They don't want to get this wrong. Especially with loose cannons like Flicker lurking around. Check out his Wiki blurb. He's crazy but unfortunately been pretty effective in some crime cases. God help us if he somehow gets to represent Wint or anyone else they arrest.

Even after three weeks it's still so unbelievable. If only we could understand? If only we could solve it?

Everyone hug their kids and loved ones today.

an easy wear to not 'wear yourself out with speculation' is to go do something else...a job, maybe?

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Anonymous wrote:Bruce Leshan is now reporting that police failed to find anything from the search warrant for JW's car and that police are not even calling JW a person of interest.

http://www.wusa9.com/videos/news/local/dc/2015/06/04/28501343/

Maybe Bruce should have asked the police that before he stirred up a mob against Wallace.

JW has not been cleared by the police that we know of. Leshan merely stated that they didn't find anything as a result of the search warrant. We have insufficient information to come to a conclusion with respect to JW one way or another.

It is certainly worth noting that among the items not found is the red-lined bag in which JW carried the money. Seems to have disappeared between time of delivery and return from Chantilly to the scene of the crime.

That is weird. Did JW ever give a statement (that we know of), indicating what he did with the bag after putting the money in the manila envelope? He knows what he did with it....and I'm sure the police have questioned him about it.

Leshan did not cite any document or direct source to the statement that none of those things were found in the car. It sounded more like conjecture since the police do not appear to be treating Wallace as a suspect. I would bet that either the red bag was in the car or if it was no longer in the car that Wallace told the police where it was and they have it or have seen it.