Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus Christ people! They called JW because they were trying to find Savvas to tell him his house was on fire and since Savvas wasn't answering his phone they called JW who had been communicating with Savvas and was expecting him in Chantilly.

Exactly. So much of this is silly. They were looking for savvas, who hadn't been at the office bc he was working at the martial
Arts studio he was opening. Obv he didn't answer his phone during the fire, so they called his assistant to look for him.

Wow how about calling the family?? His father was the original owner..and is back at AIW now..I'm sure his number is on the list of contact numbers..and what about the other executives at AIW??? He was a new hire remember this..started in April 2015!!! Something is VERY WRONG HERE!!!

Because JW was the driver. SS should be with him. I think it's a very normal thing to do and I think driving immediately to house is also normal- I would have done the same thing. As for the bolder text, you have no idea who was notified.

And calling the driver about a house fire is going help how??? And why text someone to say their home is on fire? There is much more to this and it will come out..police work behind the scenes Someone tipped off Wint about the $40,000..it was for the center correct??

No. You are way, way behind on the facts. The $40K was ransom and was not prearranged. The center was just the explanation Savvas gave under duress.

Yeah this poster is totally wrong about everything. The 40k wasn't taken out until the family was already being held hostage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus Christ people! They called JW because they were trying to find Savvas to tell him his house was on fire and since Savvas wasn't answering his phone they called JW who had been communicating with Savvas and was expecting him in Chantilly.

Exactly. So much of this is silly. They were looking for savvas, who hadn't been at the office bc he was working at the martial
Arts studio he was opening. Obv he didn't answer his phone during the fire, so they called his assistant to look for him.

Wow how about calling the family?? His father was the original owner..and is back at AIW now..I'm sure his number is on the list of contact numbers..and what about the other executives at AIW??? He was a new hire remember this..started in April 2015!!! Something is VERY WRONG HERE!!!

Because JW was the driver. SS should be with him. I think it's a very normal thing to do and I think driving immediately to house is also normal- I would have done the same thing. As for the bolder text, you have no idea who was notified.

And calling the driver about a house fire is going help how??? And why text someone to say their home is on fire? There is much more to this and it will come out..police work behind the scenes Someone tipped off Wint about the $40,000..it was for the center correct??

No. You are way, way behind on the facts. The $40K was ransom and was not prearranged. The center was just the explanation Savvas gave under duress.

Yeah this poster is totally wrong about everything. The 40k wasn't taken out until the family was already being held hostage.

Well I'm not a investigator or a detective..but I can read and this is what I read..never saw a update.. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/20/40000-cash-reportedly-delivered-to-washington-mansion-on-day-family-was/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is that a dog whistle?

What is a dog whistle? I don't even understand what that poster meant. I think generally everyone has been pretty darn respectful, when you consider this is an emotionally charged subject, or even if you don't.

We are all upset -- horrified, outraged, grieving, etc. From what I've read if someone gets a bit out of line here it's soon been corrected!

Everyone take a deep breath!

I think the poster was using an idiom from "South Park" where a dog whistle is some sort of achievement. Kinda difficult to grasp its relevance to this forum.

No, this: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_politics

Thanks. Familiar w/ dog whistle term, yet did not understand the relevance to the discussion. I hope we can be all open minded in our approach to what is being said and increase our awareness and sensitivities of a how a person may be perceiving something through their lens. The lens of perception does not mean that perception is in alignment with the truth.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure why you think a neighbor would have had to have called AIW. When the house went up in flames there was an immediate bulletin on the TV news and twitter about "a house on Woodland Drive is on fire" complete with pictures. I saw it.

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Was it a neighbor that made the original call to the fire dept? It would make sense ---yet did not remember hearing where the call came from.

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JW texted about the fire because people below the age of 60 in major urban areas don't ever call anyone. We text. My 85 year old mother calls people.

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Anonymous wrote:What is missing here is a more complete description of JW's arrival at the scene and his comportment when he encountered the police. Was he distraught? How did he present himself to police as an insider, witness? What was the more complete conversation with police? The only thing that has been presented in the Wint charging documents is his account of the phone calls and the money delivery. This would have been an extensive line of questioning by several police and fire investigators at the scene but we only have the equivalent of a Twitter conversation. There is a boat load of additional information to be revealed here. Note, very quickly after this event he went about erasing himself from social media and vanished. Police know where he is but it is not public information.

This is exactly what I would do if I was in his shoes (as an I'm presuming innocent person who unfortunately was very closely connected--as a ransom deliverer and therefore 'witness'--with a horrific crime). I would immediately delete social media accounts/make them as private as possible and I would definitely NOT talk to the media...it's so easy for the media (and then the general public after reading/watching media accounts) to twist your words and implicate you just because they are--understandably-- looking for answers. I of course have no idea whether or not JW is guilty of anything in regards to this crime but after reading every media account of this case and reading this thread, I just can't be persuaded that he had any part in devising/carrying out this evil crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was it a neighbor that made the original call to the fire dept? It would make sense ---yet did not remember hearing where the call came from.

Obviously. But someone was implying that a neighbor called AIW. The illogical leaps on here lately are pretty stupefying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is missing here is a more complete description of JW's arrival at the scene and his comportment when he encountered the police. Was he distraught? How did he present himself to police as an insider, witness? What was the more complete conversation with police? The only thing that has been presented in the Wint charging documents is his account of the phone calls and the money delivery. This would have been an extensive line of questioning by several police and fire investigators at the scene but we only have the equivalent of a Twitter conversation. There is a boat load of additional information to be revealed here. Note, very quickly after this event he went about erasing himself from social media and vanished. Police know where he is but it is not public information.

This is exactly what I would do if I was in his shoes (as an I'm presuming innocent person who unfortunately was very closely connected--as a ransom deliverer and therefore 'witness'--with a horrific crime). I would immediately delete social media accounts/make them as private as possible and I would definitely NOT talk to the media...it's so easy for the media (and then the general public after reading/watching media accounts) to twist your words and implicate you just because they are--understandably-- looking for answers. I of course have no idea whether or not JW is guilty of anything in regards to this crime but after reading every media account of this case and reading this thread, I just can't be persuaded that he had any part in devising/carrying out this evil crime.

This is hearsay--but there were reports at the time, before we knew who JW was, of an assistant crying hysterically.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:What is missing here is a more complete description of JW's arrival at the scene and his comportment when he encountered the police. Was he distraught? How did he present himself to police as an insider, witness? What was the more complete conversation with police? The only thing that has been presented in the Wint charging documents is his account of the phone calls and the money delivery. This would have been an extensive line of questioning by several police and fire investigators at the scene but we only have the equivalent of a Twitter conversation. There is a boat load of additional information to be revealed here. Note, very quickly after this event he went about erasing himself from social media and vanished. Police know where he is but it is not public information.

This is exactly what I would do if I was in his shoes (as an I'm presuming innocent person who unfortunately was very closely connected--as a ransom deliverer and therefore 'witness'--with a horrific crime). I would immediately delete social media accounts/make them as private as possible and I would definitely NOT talk to the media...it's so easy for the media (and then the general public after reading/watching media accounts) to twist your words and implicate you just because they are--understandably-- looking for answers. I of course have no idea whether or not JW is guilty of anything in regards to this crime but after reading every media account of this case and reading this thread, I just can't be persuaded that he had any part in devising/carrying out this evil crime.

I agree that any sensible person in JW's situation would have removed their social media presence. However, I (and I'm sure others here) can add some context to his doing so. One of the media outlets published screen shots of JW's Instagram page. Because one screen shot had his username, it was easy to find his entire Instagram account. From that, finding his Twitter account was also easy. At that point, JW hadn't removed his social media accounts, but the publicity obviously attracted many people to his accounts -- including me. There were photos of his mom and friends, etc., that he probably didn't want caught up in this mess. It was than that he began removing things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was it a neighbor that made the original call to the fire dept? It would make sense ---yet did not remember hearing where the call came from.

Obviously. But someone was implying that a neighbor called AIW. The illogical leaps on here lately are pretty stupefying.

Other possibilities:
A passenger in a car looks up and sees it and calls b/c drivers are looking at road ahead.


A neighbor -- i.e. a dog walker, etc calling leads one to believe that there is more that the person might have seen ---that is all.

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure it's fair to say it is an "illogical leap" that a neighbor might have called AIW. In the 16-minute span between the 911 call and JW's text to Amy, I find it much more incredible that [1] the news would already have picked it up in sufficient detail to alert AIW people; [2] AIW/JW would have seen "fire on Woodland Drive" and inferred that it was the Savapolous house; and [3] AIW would have made all of the calls (to Savvas' home, cell, Amy, etc.) that AIW people presumably made before resorting to the call to JW. Each of these scenarios is certainly possible, and I wasn't in any way suggesting that it had to have been a neighbor. However, I think given the timing that it is more plausible that someone in the area (could even have been law enforcement?) phoned AIW.

[Anonymous]

The house had a security system, so the security company and the police probably had several contact numbers, including Savvas' office at AIW.

A neighbor may have had the office number, but any neighbor who knew the name of the business could have looked up the number and called.

When a house is on fire, a lot of people immediately try to contact the owner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus Christ people! They called JW because they were trying to find Savvas to tell him his house was on fire and since Savvas wasn't answering his phone they called JW who had been communicating with Savvas and was expecting him in Chantilly.

Exactly. So much of this is silly. They were looking for savvas, who hadn't been at the office bc he was working at the martial
Arts studio he was opening. Obv he didn't answer his phone during the fire, so they called his assistant to look for him.

Wow how about calling the family?? His father was the original owner..and is back at AIW now..I'm sure his number is on the list of contact numbers..and what about the other executives at AIW??? He was a new hire remember this..started in April 2015!!! Something is VERY WRONG HERE!!!

How do you know they didn't also call the family? Some posters here take every post as word for word fact when in actuality, people are just trying to guess at what happened because NONE of us really knows, do we? Also, wouldn't it make more sense to get in touch with his assistant who he presumably saw every day and spent a good portion of every day with than it does to call his family members (other than his wife) or other AIW executives who he presumably didn't see as often or as consistently? They were probably trying to reach SS and if you can't reach him directly, the next person you would be contacting would prob be either his wife or his assistant, I would think they tried both, couldn't reach AS either, were able to reach JW. It's probably not that complicated and it's certainly not "very wrong"

[Anonymous]

Bruce Leshan is now reporting that police failed to find anything from the search warrant for JW's car and that police are not even calling JW a person of interest.

http://www.wusa9.com/videos/news/local/dc/2015/06/04/28501343/