The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

Correction: all of the RWNJ media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

Correction: all of the RWNJ media.

Correction: ALL of the media is discussing Omar's remarks and the reaction to them from a variety of viewpoints.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

Correction: all of the RWNJ media.

For example, go look at news articles covering this story.
https://www.google.com/search?q=news+ilhan+omar+some+people+did+some+things&tbm=nws

Who is criticizing her comments?
Fox News
New York Post
Breitbert
Sputnik International
Christianheadlines.com
The Daily Caller

Very telling that you think "all of the media" are taking her comments out of context.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

Correction: all of the RWNJ media.

To be even more specific, the media that is normally Islamophobic was true to character Islamophobic. Quite a bit of the media was much more responsible in how it addressed Omar's speech. Funny that the poster who appointed herself spokesperson for Americans is also a self-annointed media expert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

Correction: all of the RWNJ media.

For example, go look at news articles covering this story.
https://www.google.com/search?q=news+ilhan+omar+some+people+did+some+things&tbm=nws

Who is criticizing her comments?
Fox News
New York Post
Breitbert
Sputnik International
Christianheadlines.com
The Daily Caller

Very telling that you think "all of the media" are taking her comments out of context.

And the other news agencies are calling out the NY Post’s racist cover.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

Sigh. You’re right. I guess all of the media is Islamophobic, too, since her comment and not Islamophobia overall is what they’re talking about, too. Keep fighting the good fight. It must be exhausting.

Correction: all of the RWNJ media.

To be even more specific, the media that is normally Islamophobic was true to character Islamophobic. Quite a bit of the media was much more responsible in how it addressed Omar's speech. Funny that the poster who appointed herself spokesperson for Americans is also a self-annointed media expert.

YOU: The consequences of the rise of Islamophobia after 9/11 -- which included people getting killed -- are far more important than how Omar characterized the event. The fact that you consider the validity of her point to be irrelevant is very telling. You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia and are happy to find a way to draw attention away from it with attacks on Omar.

I didn't say all the media is condemning her 9/11 remark; I said all the media is covering that piece of her speech, rather than just the whole message of her speech. Only to put the remark in context, but not as a discussion starter for Islamophobia. If they were talking strictly about Islamophobia, in general, which is what you say is the only appropriate takeaway from her speech, you would be accurate.

[Anonymous]

She gave the speech 3 weeks ago. It got spun up 3 days ago after Crenshaw’s tweet and the RWNJs all took it out of context.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

I've wondered, when having discussion with you, why you say things like the bolded above. I've never understood judging and attacking someone's character or morals to be a normal part of discussion and debate. You tend to get personal and self righteous, sounding like a judgmental scold. I enjoy debating topics, but not when it seems that you want to "own" the board figuratively as well as literally.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

I've wondered, when having discussion with you, why you say things like the bolded above. I've never understood judging and attacking someone's character or morals to be a normal part of discussion and debate. You tend to get personal and self righteous, sounding like a judgmental scold. I enjoy debating topics, but not when it seems that you want to "own" the board figuratively as well as literally.

Are you denying that the subjects individuals choose to bring up -- or the way they frame those topics -- says something about them? If someone posted anti-Semitic remarks would you suggest that it doesn't reflect on the person? I absolutely think that when you choose to focus on semantics rather than an accurate point about increased bigotry it exposes your priorities. Why do you disagree with that?

[Anonymous]

“Why are you judging me for my bigoted opinions? I’m so offended.”

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

I've wondered, when having discussion with you, why you say things like the bolded above. I've never understood judging and attacking someone's character or morals to be a normal part of discussion and debate. You tend to get personal and self righteous, sounding like a judgmental scold. I enjoy debating topics, but not when it seems that you want to "own" the board figuratively as well as literally.

Are you denying that the subjects individuals choose to bring up -- or the way they frame those topics -- says something about them? If someone posted anti-Semitic remarks would you suggest that it doesn't reflect on the person? I absolutely think that when you choose to focus on semantics rather than an accurate point about increased bigotry it exposes your priorities. Why do you disagree with that?

What is the value in judging the character or priorities of someone with whom you're talking? What does it matter to you what it says about me? Are you trying to persuade anonymous strangers to think poorly of other anonymous strangers? The point is to discuss the issue. Questioning my character doesn't add anything to the discussion. It just makes it seem that your goal is to chastise and shut down discussion, rather than inform or persuade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Why are you judging me for my bigoted opinions? I’m so offended.”

My opinion is that the way Omar characterized 9/11 was insensitive. That is not bigoted. It is okay to criticize politicians.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talk about mischaracterization of words. I said the validity or context of her point isn't relative to whether or not I, and many others, find her words about 9/11 insensitive and offensive. Yes, Islamophobia is on the rise. Yes, her words are offensive. Putting them in context of her speech does not change that.

"You simply don't care about the rise of Islamophobia." You're too much. If you care so much, why don't you start a topic on this issue instead of criticizing me for not caring?

I'm the one who started this thread.

Why do you keep pushing me to focus on Islamophobia instead of her 9/11 comments/tweet? If you wanted me to start a new topic, just say so. I brought the tweet up here since you deleted the more recent one and I decided you were trying to consolidate.

Islamophobia was the point of her remarks. You are ignoring her point to focus on semantics. You could read her whole statement and then characterize her words as "It was unfair that all Muslims were blamed for 9/11" or you could say "she described 9/11 as some 'people doing something'". Which way you choose says a lot about you and your priorities.

I've wondered, when having discussion with you, why you say things like the bolded above. I've never understood judging and attacking someone's character or morals to be a normal part of discussion and debate. You tend to get personal and self righteous, sounding like a judgmental scold. I enjoy debating topics, but not when it seems that you want to "own" the board figuratively as well as literally.

Are you denying that the subjects individuals choose to bring up -- or the way they frame those topics -- says something about them? If someone posted anti-Semitic remarks would you suggest that it doesn't reflect on the person? I absolutely think that when you choose to focus on semantics rather than an accurate point about increased bigotry it exposes your priorities. Why do you disagree with that?

What is the value in judging the character or priorities of someone with whom you're talking? What does it matter to you what it says about me? Are you trying to persuade anonymous strangers to think poorly of other anonymous strangers? The point is to discuss the issue. Questioning my character doesn't add anything to the discussion. It just makes it seem that your goal is to chastise and shut down discussion, rather than inform or persuade.

Again, we both know that your reaction would be much different if a poster were spouting anti-Semitism. In that case, you would have no problem discussing character and priorities. Do you think that choosing to frame this issue as "Omar downplayed 9/11" rather than "Omar discussed the rise of Islamophobia after 9/11" has nothing to do with your character or priorities? There is absolutely a connection. Whether that is worthy of discussion in this forum is an open question that only individual readers can answer, but I think it is at least worth pointing out. Maybe you have a different explanation for choosing to frame this issue the way that you did that has nothing to do with your character or priorities. If so, please share.

[Anonymous]

MSNBC interviewed a Democratic Representative from NM about Ilhan Omar's characterization of 9/11. (I believe it's safe to say they are liberal leaning). He boldly (inappropriately perhaps?) spoke for all Americans.

https://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/asst-house-speaker-omar-s-9-11-comments-hurtful-to-me-and-everyone-that-was-personally-impacted-by-attacks-1488546371838?cid=referral_taboolafeed

Democratic Representative Ben Ray Lujan, the Assistant Speaker in the House of Representatives, tells MSNBC's Kasie Hunt that Rep. Ilhan Omar's description of the 9/11 terrorist attacks as "some people did something," was hurtful and that nobody should refer to it in that way. He says her words were extremely hurtful to him, and to everyone who was personally impacted by those terrorist attacks.

Interestingly, as this Democratic Congressman was saying this riled him, the chryon on the screen read, "Omar's Remark on 9/11, Muslim Civil Rights Riles Conservatives."