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Well I wish I still got more time for my hand cramps that come from how I was taught to write.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these doctors who hand out ADHD diagnoses to everyone who makes a 15 min appointment? As an adult, I went to three different professionals to be evaluated for ADHD and was told each time: "Nope, you just have anxiety."

My kid got diagnosed with ADHD, but it required multiple teacher and parent evaluations, a self-assessment, and in-person testing with a malingering evaluation as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Ah dysgraphia. Wish I had heard of that back in the day. I’m left handed and no one showed me how to write well so I curl my hand around (script looks great but my hand looks ridiculous). Upshot is on blue book tests about 15 minutes in I’d start cramping and it’d be impossible to write for a few minutes. Then every ten minutes, then every minute or two until it was just pins and needles if the test was 90 minutes long.

Wouldn’t it have been nice to get the time back when my damn hand didn’t work on the exam? (Or alternatively I got better teachers when I was 5-8 years old.)

That’s not dysgraphia. When my kid was diagnosed with it and the evaluator showed me how he approached the exercises it was eye opening. It’s more than just poor writing form.

There is no standard definition of dysgraphia.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these doctors who hand out ADHD diagnoses to everyone who makes a 15 min appointment? As an adult, I went to three different professionals to be evaluated for ADHD and was told each time: "Nope, you just have anxiety."

My kid got diagnosed with ADHD, but it required multiple teacher and parent evaluations, a self-assessment, and in-person testing with a malingering evaluation as well.

As posted before in this thread.
https://rittenhousepa.com/services/neuropsychological-testing-and-evaluation/
Large practice in the NE with offices in many states. Promise accommodations for $300-400.
40 psychologists, many trained at Penn and Hopkins.

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Anonymous wrote:I work as an attorney and it’s shocking (and getting worse every year) how many new employees come in that don’t seem to understand that when I say I need something by noon on Thursday, that isn’t a guideline or a suggestion or a wish. I’m sure I’m not very popular with the young ones. They either figure it out after the first couple assignments or they find other employment.

I’m an attorney too and I’m seeing younger employees come in with that mindset too. Constant requests for time off, constant sick days, not planning ahead, not taking initiative, disregarding instructions. I don’t know if it’s the pandemic, the economy, accommodations, helicopter parenting, or some combination of everything.

More attorneys sharing parenting responsibilities across gender lines, worse childcare options, and fewer people thinking their employers will love them back for making their entire life work.

In the law firm world, the client does not care about those things. Especially not at the rates we charge. If that’s not for you, totally understand. But if you want big law pay, you’ll have to get up to speed or be pushed out. When we tell a client we will get them something by a deadline, we do it barring truly extenuating circumstances. And if you are a litigator, the deadlines are truly firm and imposed by the court/the statute.

I say this as an attorney (one of maybe the majority of this board), but maybe you should staff cases/deals better? Your employees are human beings with human needs. And they have legal entitlement to things like paid sick leave, parental leave, FMLA, etc. You need to structure your staffing to be able to accommodate these inevitabilities, especially when so many firms makes (bullshit) promises about supporting working parents and valuing employee health and wellbeing.

Being a big law attorney is a demanding job. It’s not the kind of job for someone who needs a soft workplace. If we have a filing deadline, we have to get it done whether your kid is sick or not. And no we don’t just keep extra staff on hand just in case. If you let a senior attorney down enough times they will stop bringing work to you. Again, it’s not for everyone.

Exactly. Nobody who has ever had to have extra time to accomplish tasks is cut out for big law. Acknowledge the disability and that it isn't compatible with all jobs. Or just teach the kids how to handle their time and cut out the disability completely.

Extended time big law senior associate checking in! We do fine!

And I’m sure you accept that sometimes you have to work nights and weekends and that’s just how it goes.

I sure do! Working late and longer than most people is how I'm successful in biglaw. That has nothing to do with whether I'm unable to do my job because I got extended time on exams in school.

I completely agree and would have no trouble with someone like this at our firm who met deadlines. We were objecting to a poster who said they “never” in their entire career had to meet timed deadlines.

I don't think they said they never had to meet timed deadlines. I think they said they didn't have deadlines that were short that it approximated a timed test. Virtually all substantive assignments, in my experience, have multi-day lead time.

There are very, very few areas of the law where you can just hole up and write a brief for days with no interaction. Eventually there are questions and matters you need to be able to handle quickly. Even appellate lawyers need to think quickly at oral argument (which is basically a test).

Holing up and writing a brief for multiple days isn’t remotely what I described. Oral arguments aren’t like timed exams, but also most lawyers suck at them, including big law partners. And people don’t just need extended time for slow processing speed. Dyslexics like David Boies and Elizabeth Cabraser excel at oral argument, which doesn’t involve reading for them, but are slow readers and writers.

For a lawyer, you're pretty weak at making convincing arguments. You've given no reason for timed tests and have argued why they don't relate to the real world, but also can't articulate why we still need them, just that we shouldn't do away with them. Why?

I'm fine doing away with speeded tests. I've said that earlier. I'm not taking a position on whether timed tests should be done away with because that's not the purpose of this discussion. This discussion is about whether students who are receiving accommodations on timed exams as they currently exist can be successful in stressful, elite work environments.

There is no way that you were ever hired by Big Law with these writing skills. Also, you are hilarious if you think BigLaw deadlines have a several day lead in. I can't tell you how many last minute all nighters I pulled. I generally didn't even know what I had to do that day until around 5pm as the deadlines came late and hard. You are not qualified to give advice.

If you're pulling an all nighter to meet a deadline, it's not like a timed exam..................

And don't worry, I was on law review (made it via blind reviewed writing competition only), published my note reviewed blind (one of 10ish at my T14), got honors in legal writing (top 3 in the class), did a federal clerkship, have worked at two biglaw firms, and am a senior associate.

If I'm told at 5pm that I need to write a 10 page brief by morning, it very much is like a timed exam. This happened many times. Litigation. If we found something, we weren't waiting to file. We would jump. Higher than we thought possible. Several times, I would actually have to be in NYC by morning also in order to have my own eyes on the final product being filed. This is why clients paid so much.

Yes, this is a realistic situation. But you have *checks notes* 16 hours to write that brief. That’s a stressful assignment, absolutely. But that’s not the 45 min, 90 min, or 4 hour exam time limit. It’s more akin to a 24 hour take home, where you don’t get extended time as an accommodation. This is my point.

DP but how are you actually this dumb? It’s mind-boggling, truly.

A 45 minute timed exam has about 45 minutes worth of work involved. Her 10 page brief is undoubtedly MORE than 45 minutes worth of work. Giving her 45 minutes to do it would indeed be stupid. Giving student 45 minutes to answer 45 minutes worth of multiple choice questions is a completely sane and reasonable thing to do.

Are you just a troll?

Do you understand that people who get 50% extended time on exams typically don't get those on much longer 24-hour take homes where they're expected to produce much more content? They also don't get extended time on projects and papers? They only get extended time on these time-compressed exams, like a 45 minute test.

Having 16 hours to write a ten-page brief is a huge assignment. But it's not nearly as time-pressured as, say, answering six short-answer questions in 4 hours without breaks. Or answering 45 multiple choice questions in an hour. The work is incredibly different.

I don't think you understand how disabilities work. I don't think you understand how accommodations work.

I don’t think you even understand your own argument.

Your real disability is that you are too literal. There is zero nuance in your thinking, which hinders your comprehension. This is why you keep making the same illogical point (which I am sure makes sense in your rigid framework) and either refuse to accept or are incapable of accepting input, suggestion, or correction.

I don’t know what the solution would be for someone like you, but clearly more time isn’t helping.

And you're the epitome of flexible thinking capable of integrating feedback from other people's life experiences /s

Ah, that old chestnut - “I know you are, but what am I” - you really put me in my place.

I’m sure you really are an amazingly accomplished lawyer. Your intellect is dizzying, truly.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these doctors who hand out ADHD diagnoses to everyone who makes a 15 min appointment? As an adult, I went to three different professionals to be evaluated for ADHD and was told each time: "Nope, you just have anxiety."

My kid got diagnosed with ADHD, but it required multiple teacher and parent evaluations, a self-assessment, and in-person testing with a malingering evaluation as well.

As posted before in this thread.
https://rittenhousepa.com/services/neuropsychological-testing-and-evaluation/
Large practice in the NE with offices in many states. Promise accommodations for $300-400.
40 psychologists, many trained at Penn and Hopkins.

It's not a promise. The website literally says it's not: "Of note, having an examination does not mean that we will recommend accommodations. Letters are written honestly, based on patient results to testing."

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Anonymous wrote:One big thing behind this push for accommodations by people whose kids don’t truly need them is because it’s no longer ok to be average or ordinary. Everyone wants their kid to be at the top. The truth is, 99% of us are average or ordinary. Our kids are average and ordinary. When did it stop being ok to be average?

There is no accepted test by a licensed professional that makes an average kid exceptional. Licensed professionals are not making up diagnoses so your kid can cheat.

These tests allow kids to reach their full potential, whatever that is. Because it allows them to learn in the same way that their brains process information.

The problem is that our health care system sucks. And often the only way to get the help your kid needs is to pay a lot of money out of pocket.

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So is there any kid who doesn't have anxiety when taking tests and wouldn't benefit from no time constraint and the ability to check their work?

The diagnosis of anxiety as a disabiltiy is not your garden variety anxiety. I can't believe you have to be told this

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Anonymous wrote:Well I wish I still got more time for my hand cramps that come from how I was taught to write.

If your hand cramped because you have a diagnosed, physical disability you get more time. Begin taught poorly is not a disability caused by your body or brain.

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Anonymous wrote:One big thing behind this push for accommodations by people whose kids don’t truly need them is because it’s no longer ok to be average or ordinary. Everyone wants their kid to be at the top. The truth is, 99% of us are average or ordinary. Our kids are average and ordinary. When did it stop being ok to be average?

I honestly think there are fewer people of poor scruples doing this than you imagine. I think the reality is that parents are more educated about disabilities and instead of the knee jerk punishment to their "smart but lazy" kid that was fate of prior generations, parnets now know to have them tested first before concluding the it is a behavior problem or a simple matter of average intelligence.

When you witness test results of a kid who is clearly very bright but doing poorly in shcool, you might understand better. The results show single digit percentile for attention, but the kid thinks they are paying full attention. Results so bad on attnetion that the corresping IQ is invalidated because the kid missed half the test to daydreaming. Can you imainge not realizing that you actually missed half the class lecture? Can you imagine thinking you filled in all the circles only to be told later that you skipped 75% of them? With medication and a variety of accommodations designed to improve attention and mitigate unconrollable lapses in attention in certain settings, the kid begins to understand their own disabiltiy and practices work arounds that never would have occurred to him without the diagnosis and therapy. Slowly those things start to make a difference, and by by college the C/D student is now an A student, and no longer taking timed tests or missing half the lecutre (none of my kids had a single timed exam in college), but writing brilliant research papers and working on long term group projects with new habits in place for himself to finish and turn in on time. Reviews from professors noting the creativity and insights few other studnet have. But without accommodations in middle and high school, that student would never have gone to college.

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Anonymous wrote:I work as an attorney and it’s shocking (and getting worse every year) how many new employees come in that don’t seem to understand that when I say I need something by noon on Thursday, that isn’t a guideline or a suggestion or a wish. I’m sure I’m not very popular with the young ones. They either figure it out after the first couple assignments or they find other employment.

I’m an attorney too and I’m seeing younger employees come in with that mindset too. Constant requests for time off, constant sick days, not planning ahead, not taking initiative, disregarding instructions. I don’t know if it’s the pandemic, the economy, accommodations, helicopter parenting, or some combination of everything.

More attorneys sharing parenting responsibilities across gender lines, worse childcare options, and fewer people thinking their employers will love them back for making their entire life work.

In the law firm world, the client does not care about those things. Especially not at the rates we charge. If that’s not for you, totally understand. But if you want big law pay, you’ll have to get up to speed or be pushed out. When we tell a client we will get them something by a deadline, we do it barring truly extenuating circumstances. And if you are a litigator, the deadlines are truly firm and imposed by the court/the statute.

I say this as an attorney (one of maybe the majority of this board), but maybe you should staff cases/deals better? Your employees are human beings with human needs. And they have legal entitlement to things like paid sick leave, parental leave, FMLA, etc. You need to structure your staffing to be able to accommodate these inevitabilities, especially when so many firms makes (bullshit) promises about supporting working parents and valuing employee health and wellbeing.

Being a big law attorney is a demanding job. It’s not the kind of job for someone who needs a soft workplace. If we have a filing deadline, we have to get it done whether your kid is sick or not. And no we don’t just keep extra staff on hand just in case. If you let a senior attorney down enough times they will stop bringing work to you. Again, it’s not for everyone.

Exactly. Nobody who has ever had to have extra time to accomplish tasks is cut out for big law. Acknowledge the disability and that it isn't compatible with all jobs. Or just teach the kids how to handle their time and cut out the disability completely.

Extended time big law senior associate checking in! We do fine!

And I’m sure you accept that sometimes you have to work nights and weekends and that’s just how it goes.

I sure do! Working late and longer than most people is how I'm successful in biglaw. That has nothing to do with whether I'm unable to do my job because I got extended time on exams in school.

I completely agree and would have no trouble with someone like this at our firm who met deadlines. We were objecting to a poster who said they “never” in their entire career had to meet timed deadlines.

I don't think they said they never had to meet timed deadlines. I think they said they didn't have deadlines that were short that it approximated a timed test. Virtually all substantive assignments, in my experience, have multi-day lead time.

There are very, very few areas of the law where you can just hole up and write a brief for days with no interaction. Eventually there are questions and matters you need to be able to handle quickly. Even appellate lawyers need to think quickly at oral argument (which is basically a test).

Holing up and writing a brief for multiple days isn’t remotely what I described. Oral arguments aren’t like timed exams, but also most lawyers suck at them, including big law partners. And people don’t just need extended time for slow processing speed. Dyslexics like David Boies and Elizabeth Cabraser excel at oral argument, which doesn’t involve reading for them, but are slow readers and writers.

For a lawyer, you're pretty weak at making convincing arguments. You've given no reason for timed tests and have argued why they don't relate to the real world, but also can't articulate why we still need them, just that we shouldn't do away with them. Why?

I'm fine doing away with speeded tests. I've said that earlier. I'm not taking a position on whether timed tests should be done away with because that's not the purpose of this discussion. This discussion is about whether students who are receiving accommodations on timed exams as they currently exist can be successful in stressful, elite work environments.

There is no way that you were ever hired by Big Law with these writing skills. Also, you are hilarious if you think BigLaw deadlines have a several day lead in. I can't tell you how many last minute all nighters I pulled. I generally didn't even know what I had to do that day until around 5pm as the deadlines came late and hard. You are not qualified to give advice.

If you're pulling an all nighter to meet a deadline, it's not like a timed exam..................

And don't worry, I was on law review (made it via blind reviewed writing competition only), published my note reviewed blind (one of 10ish at my T14), got honors in legal writing (top 3 in the class), did a federal clerkship, have worked at two biglaw firms, and am a senior associate.

If I'm told at 5pm that I need to write a 10 page brief by morning, it very much is like a timed exam. This happened many times. Litigation. If we found something, we weren't waiting to file. We would jump. Higher than we thought possible. Several times, I would actually have to be in NYC by morning also in order to have my own eyes on the final product being filed. This is why clients paid so much.

Yes, this is a realistic situation. But you have *checks notes* 16 hours to write that brief. That’s a stressful assignment, absolutely. But that’s not the 45 min, 90 min, or 4 hour exam time limit. It’s more akin to a 24 hour take home, where you don’t get extended time as an accommodation. This is my point.

DP but how are you actually this dumb? It’s mind-boggling, truly.

A 45 minute timed exam has about 45 minutes worth of work involved. Her 10 page brief is undoubtedly MORE than 45 minutes worth of work. Giving her 45 minutes to do it would indeed be stupid. Giving student 45 minutes to answer 45 minutes worth of multiple choice questions is a completely sane and reasonable thing to do.

Are you just a troll?

Do you understand that people who get 50% extended time on exams typically don't get those on much longer 24-hour take homes where they're expected to produce much more content? They also don't get extended time on projects and papers? They only get extended time on these time-compressed exams, like a 45 minute test.

Having 16 hours to write a ten-page brief is a huge assignment. But it's not nearly as time-pressured as, say, answering six short-answer questions in 4 hours without breaks. Or answering 45 multiple choice questions in an hour. The work is incredibly different.

I don't think you understand how disabilities work. I don't think you understand how accommodations work.

I don’t think you even understand your own argument.

Your real disability is that you are too literal. There is zero nuance in your thinking, which hinders your comprehension. This is why you keep making the same illogical point (which I am sure makes sense in your rigid framework) and either refuse to accept or are incapable of accepting input, suggestion, or correction.

I don’t know what the solution would be for someone like you, but clearly more time isn’t helping.

And you're the epitome of flexible thinking capable of integrating feedback from other people's life experiences /s

Ah, that old chestnut - “I know you are, but what am I” - you really put me in my place.

I’m sure you really are an amazingly accomplished lawyer. Your intellect is dizzying, truly.

The hypocrisy, on so many levels, is honestly funny at this point.

But you win, you can get the last word. I’m bowing out because I ironically got a time-sensitive work assignment.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these doctors who hand out ADHD diagnoses to everyone who makes a 15 min appointment? As an adult, I went to three different professionals to be evaluated for ADHD and was told each time: "Nope, you just have anxiety."

My kid got diagnosed with ADHD, but it required multiple teacher and parent evaluations, a self-assessment, and in-person testing with a malingering evaluation as well.

As posted before in this thread.
https://rittenhousepa.com/services/neuropsychological-testing-and-evaluation/
Large practice in the NE with offices in many states. Promise accommodations for $300-400.
40 psychologists, many trained at Penn and Hopkins.

It's not a promise. The website literally says it's not: "Of note, having an examination does not mean that we will recommend accommodations. Letters are written honestly, based on patient results to testing."

Yeah. It’s REALLY difficult to get into PsyD, PhD programs. And expensive. And a lot of work.
No one is going to sacrifice their career by writing fake diagnoses for $400.

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Anonymous wrote:I work as an attorney and it’s shocking (and getting worse every year) how many new employees come in that don’t seem to understand that when I say I need something by noon on Thursday, that isn’t a guideline or a suggestion or a wish. I’m sure I’m not very popular with the young ones. They either figure it out after the first couple assignments or they find other employment.

I’m an attorney too and I’m seeing younger employees come in with that mindset too. Constant requests for time off, constant sick days, not planning ahead, not taking initiative, disregarding instructions. I don’t know if it’s the pandemic, the economy, accommodations, helicopter parenting, or some combination of everything.

More attorneys sharing parenting responsibilities across gender lines, worse childcare options, and fewer people thinking their employers will love them back for making their entire life work.

In the law firm world, the client does not care about those things. Especially not at the rates we charge. If that’s not for you, totally understand. But if you want big law pay, you’ll have to get up to speed or be pushed out. When we tell a client we will get them something by a deadline, we do it barring truly extenuating circumstances. And if you are a litigator, the deadlines are truly firm and imposed by the court/the statute.

I say this as an attorney (one of maybe the majority of this board), but maybe you should staff cases/deals better? Your employees are human beings with human needs. And they have legal entitlement to things like paid sick leave, parental leave, FMLA, etc. You need to structure your staffing to be able to accommodate these inevitabilities, especially when so many firms makes (bullshit) promises about supporting working parents and valuing employee health and wellbeing.

Being a big law attorney is a demanding job. It’s not the kind of job for someone who needs a soft workplace. If we have a filing deadline, we have to get it done whether your kid is sick or not. And no we don’t just keep extra staff on hand just in case. If you let a senior attorney down enough times they will stop bringing work to you. Again, it’s not for everyone.

Exactly. Nobody who has ever had to have extra time to accomplish tasks is cut out for big law. Acknowledge the disability and that it isn't compatible with all jobs. Or just teach the kids how to handle their time and cut out the disability completely.

Extended time big law senior associate checking in! We do fine!

And I’m sure you accept that sometimes you have to work nights and weekends and that’s just how it goes.

I sure do! Working late and longer than most people is how I'm successful in biglaw. That has nothing to do with whether I'm unable to do my job because I got extended time on exams in school.

I completely agree and would have no trouble with someone like this at our firm who met deadlines. We were objecting to a poster who said they “never” in their entire career had to meet timed deadlines.

I don't think they said they never had to meet timed deadlines. I think they said they didn't have deadlines that were short that it approximated a timed test. Virtually all substantive assignments, in my experience, have multi-day lead time.

There are very, very few areas of the law where you can just hole up and write a brief for days with no interaction. Eventually there are questions and matters you need to be able to handle quickly. Even appellate lawyers need to think quickly at oral argument (which is basically a test).

Holing up and writing a brief for multiple days isn’t remotely what I described. Oral arguments aren’t like timed exams, but also most lawyers suck at them, including big law partners. And people don’t just need extended time for slow processing speed. Dyslexics like David Boies and Elizabeth Cabraser excel at oral argument, which doesn’t involve reading for them, but are slow readers and writers.

For a lawyer, you're pretty weak at making convincing arguments. You've given no reason for timed tests and have argued why they don't relate to the real world, but also can't articulate why we still need them, just that we shouldn't do away with them. Why?

I'm fine doing away with speeded tests. I've said that earlier. I'm not taking a position on whether timed tests should be done away with because that's not the purpose of this discussion. This discussion is about whether students who are receiving accommodations on timed exams as they currently exist can be successful in stressful, elite work environments.

There is no way that you were ever hired by Big Law with these writing skills. Also, you are hilarious if you think BigLaw deadlines have a several day lead in. I can't tell you how many last minute all nighters I pulled. I generally didn't even know what I had to do that day until around 5pm as the deadlines came late and hard. You are not qualified to give advice.

If you're pulling an all nighter to meet a deadline, it's not like a timed exam..................

And don't worry, I was on law review (made it via blind reviewed writing competition only), published my note reviewed blind (one of 10ish at my T14), got honors in legal writing (top 3 in the class), did a federal clerkship, have worked at two biglaw firms, and am a senior associate.

If I'm told at 5pm that I need to write a 10 page brief by morning, it very much is like a timed exam. This happened many times. Litigation. If we found something, we weren't waiting to file. We would jump. Higher than we thought possible. Several times, I would actually have to be in NYC by morning also in order to have my own eyes on the final product being filed. This is why clients paid so much.

Yes, this is a realistic situation. But you have *checks notes* 16 hours to write that brief. That’s a stressful assignment, absolutely. But that’s not the 45 min, 90 min, or 4 hour exam time limit. It’s more akin to a 24 hour take home, where you don’t get extended time as an accommodation. This is my point.

DP but how are you actually this dumb? It’s mind-boggling, truly.

A 45 minute timed exam has about 45 minutes worth of work involved. Her 10 page brief is undoubtedly MORE than 45 minutes worth of work. Giving her 45 minutes to do it would indeed be stupid. Giving student 45 minutes to answer 45 minutes worth of multiple choice questions is a completely sane and reasonable thing to do.

Are you just a troll?

Do you understand that people who get 50% extended time on exams typically don't get those on much longer 24-hour take homes where they're expected to produce much more content? They also don't get extended time on projects and papers? They only get extended time on these time-compressed exams, like a 45 minute test.

Having 16 hours to write a ten-page brief is a huge assignment. But it's not nearly as time-pressured as, say, answering six short-answer questions in 4 hours without breaks. Or answering 45 multiple choice questions in an hour. The work is incredibly different.

I don't think you understand how disabilities work. I don't think you understand how accommodations work.

I don’t think you even understand your own argument.

Your real disability is that you are too literal. There is zero nuance in your thinking, which hinders your comprehension. This is why you keep making the same illogical point (which I am sure makes sense in your rigid framework) and either refuse to accept or are incapable of accepting input, suggestion, or correction.

I don’t know what the solution would be for someone like you, but clearly more time isn’t helping.

And you're the epitome of flexible thinking capable of integrating feedback from other people's life experiences /s

Ah, that old chestnut - “I know you are, but what am I” - you really put me in my place.

I’m sure you really are an amazingly accomplished lawyer. Your intellect is dizzying, truly.

The hypocrisy, on so many levels, is honestly funny at this point.

But you win, you can get the last word. I’m bowing out because I ironically got a time-sensitive work assignment.

You should have been working on that all along instead of engaging in this pi**ing match.

Priorities, dumba**.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should cap the grades for those with non-physical accommodations so they can’t achieve an A. An A should be only for those who can do the work correctly under the designated conditions. Then at least if people cheat they’ll only get a B and won’t affect the curve for the entire class.

Curves are pretty rare in colleges these days?

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Anonymous wrote:Where are these doctors who hand out ADHD diagnoses to everyone who makes a 15 min appointment? As an adult, I went to three different professionals to be evaluated for ADHD and was told each time: "Nope, you just have anxiety."

My kid got diagnosed with ADHD, but it required multiple teacher and parent evaluations, a self-assessment, and in-person testing with a malingering evaluation as well.

As posted before in this thread.
https://rittenhousepa.com/services/neuropsychological-testing-and-evaluation/
Large practice in the NE with offices in many states. Promise accommodations for $300-400.
40 psychologists, many trained at Penn and Hopkins.

It's not a promise. The website literally says it's not: "Of note, having an examination does not mean that we will recommend accommodations. Letters are written honestly, based on patient results to testing."

Yeah. It’s REALLY difficult to get into PsyD, PhD programs. And expensive. And a lot of work.
No one is going to sacrifice their career by writing fake diagnoses for $400.

Can confirm.

When filling out the paperwork, clinicians are answering the questions. The questions aren’t asking if there are other kids who could benefit or if it’s fair for this kid to have them when other kids don’t, or how they will eventually perform in big law.

They ask does the kid have a diagnosis that substantially impairs their ability to perform academically/access the curriculum at this time (and what reasonable accommodations could ameliorate those limitations.)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they should cap the grades for those with non-physical accommodations so they can’t achieve an A. An A should be only for those who can do the work correctly under the designated conditions. Then at least if people cheat they’ll only get a B and won’t affect the curve for the entire class.

Are you kidding me? My kid has a typing accommodation for dysgraphia. Is that capped at a B? She has to type because her handwriting is completely illegible, but dysgraphia is a disability that goes beyond the physical act of handwriting. It involves written expression. So which part is capped at a B? How is that at all fair to kids with learning disabilities. It's just another barrier to achievement when they are intelligent and able to do the work with some accommodations. So you basically need to put learning disabled kids down to assure your special snowflake gets an A?

Don't worry, this person isn't serious. They're just trolling.

You are right and I should not fall for it. Having seen my child struggle for so many years, which has impacted siblings and family dynamic has made me very sensitive on this topic. My kid has finally hit her stride and is happy and (mostly) confident for the first time in her life. I’m not exaggerating to say a diagnosis, therapies and accomodations have made that possible. She is at a great school and keeping up (don’t worry, she is not breaking the curve and hurting anyone else’s GPA). It’s so amazing to see and it breaks my heart to have folks denigrate that.