NFL Kicker Harrison Butker’s unhinged commencement speech

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the ones who remain uncritical and accepting of this AHole's speech..

This guy said a lot of things and maybe you agree with most of it and don't believe it was offensive. However, what he DID SAY EXACTLY was that:

Women have their place in the world and that is as a homemaker. Someone who should NOT have a career/NOT make a career an option and only aspire to be a mother and wife.

For this alone, it's offensive. There were women in this school who intend to use their degrees they just received to build a career. How do you actually defend his speech in the context of this? That it's a conservative Christian school is irrelevant because his speech was not just about Christianity but specifically demeaning all female students in the audience - he's suggesting they not only wasted their time but are garbage for even considering having a career.

I mean, it's not about his entire speech that matters. No matter how you slice it and dice it about whether what he said was on pointe about Christianity, his words about women are an indisputable insult to the female audience and that in itself is outrageous. That those who defend him don't even see this or care about this is what is wrong with our society.

That is NOT exactly what he said.

Here is what he said, emphasis added:

“ How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, [/b]but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.”

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“ I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say[b] that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.”

As a woman who was once 21 and as the mother of a 21 y.o. female college student, I can guarantee you that the last thing the vast majority of college-educated women that age are thinking about is marriage and children. Who is he to speak for the "majority" of women?

When he said the "majority of you" he was specifically reference the female graduates of a conservative Catholic college, not all female college graduates across the U.S. In this case, the "guess" he is venturing could well be correct.

The majority of young women graduating from even a Catholic college are not eagerly awaiting the day they can have back-to-back babies for the remainder of their fertile years. It’s hard to understate just how fringe a view it is that even NFP is “disordered.” You realize that being subservient to your husband + no masturbation + no NFP = having 10+ pregnancies, if not more?

Exceedingly few 21 year old women want to be pregnant every 12-24 months until menopause.

Those exceedingly few women congregate at schools like Benedictine, University of Dallas and Franciscan University in Steubenville.

I’ve attended mass at one of those schools when I was passing through town and the pews were full of 6+ children families and women with lace head coverings. The parking lots are packed with those 15 seater vans. This is a fact that anybody who has even marginally looked into it would understand. Those schools are at the forefront of conservative Catholic education. Their graduates are engaged and/or married at a much higher rate at graduation as they send a measurable number of students to seminary and monastery every year.

There is a reason why he got a standing ovation.

The women graduates did not appreciate his message. Many are speaking out.

+1. Ultimately it’s going to be on them to clean their own house. Lord knows Catholic men are useless without their mommies and wives and daughters keeping things in order and in check.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so weird as a spiritual, but not religious, person having to watch the organized religions who the hold the most political and social power try to imbue their values on the rest of us who don’t hold them.

Like clearly this speech is pushing traditional values where women raise kids and stay home.

To suggest otherwise is to insult our intelligence.

I believe in a merciful God, but I don’t hold any of these odd rigid social beliefs found in things like Catholicism essentially mandating women stick to a “vocation”.

It’s fked up yall hold so much sway over the rest of us just trying to exist in America.

This is NOT Catholicism. He's an idiot.

To you it’s not. To some it is.

This is the problem with religious “interpretation” in general and the most compelling reason society should rely on the Golden rule, but also insist on a neutral playing field whereby the observable world perceivable to all people is employed in policy making, and why we should not allow organized religion to guide policy.

There’s like 7000 religions in the world. I don’t give a fk if one adherent to one of them says “my religion is this!” And another says “no! It’s this!”

Because frankly these organized religions are all nuts. And they are all used for control.

We need a neutral system reliant on treating others as you’d like to be treated.

Wrong. As other posters have stated, with cites, much of what he said is actually contrary to Catholic teaching. That is not an "interpretation." It's a different belief altogether. Also, the response was to PP saying: "odd rigid social beliefs found in things like Catholicism essentially mandating women stick to a “vocation”. " Catholicism does no such thing, which should be obvious even to the least religiously informed person who simply knows Catholic women in the workplace. Even freaking ACB has always worked.

Again, how do you even know what you claim to profess? How do you know that’s not “real Catholicism”. Are you a self proclaimed expert? It’s weird. You argue in absolutes on -‘ issue not grounded in observable reality.

? Are the Benedictine nuns not "real" Catholics?

They said: "One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman."

He did not actually say that.

If he said that being a wife and mother was a higher calling than being a nun or that being a husband and father was a higher calling than being a priest or monk, that would certainly have been aberrant in terms of Catholic thought.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps I missed, but sounds like Harrison Butker's comments may have been shaped by Leonard Leo and others, always looking to launder their stuff:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/chiefs-kicker-butker-antisemitic-lies-college-graduation-speech-1235021459/

I posted something alluding to this earlier. Yes, this wasn't a one-off commencement speech. He has $$$$ backers who are extremists and want to rule over American society in a truly sick way.

I’m another pp who posted something similar that this is for amplification and connected to the whole project 2025.

Regardless of where the speech falls on the spectrum of Catholic teachings is less important in my mind than the fact that MAGA wants to impose this ideology on all of us and there’s a lot of money backing it up.

You may be onto something about his speech being part of something larger. In our backyard, Gov Youngkin just vetoed several bills that sought to ensure access to birth control.

So how does Youngkin’s veto fit in with the trope that democrats are being hysterical about what the GOP wants to do?

[Anonymous]

Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

His language regarding NFP and the assertion that Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus do NOT line up with current Catholic teaching. So, no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s so weird as a spiritual, but not religious, person having to watch the organized religions who the hold the most political and social power try to imbue their values on the rest of us who don’t hold them.

Like clearly this speech is pushing traditional values where women raise kids and stay home.

To suggest otherwise is to insult our intelligence.

I believe in a merciful God, but I don’t hold any of these odd rigid social beliefs found in things like Catholicism essentially mandating women stick to a “vocation”.

It’s fked up yall hold so much sway over the rest of us just trying to exist in America.

This is NOT Catholicism. He's an idiot.

To you it’s not. To some it is.

This is the problem with religious “interpretation” in general and the most compelling reason society should rely on the Golden rule, but also insist on a neutral playing field whereby the observable world perceivable to all people is employed in policy making, and why we should not allow organized religion to guide policy.

There’s like 7000 religions in the world. I don’t give a fk if one adherent to one of them says “my religion is this!” And another says “no! It’s this!”

Because frankly these organized religions are all nuts. And they are all used for control.

We need a neutral system reliant on treating others as you’d like to be treated.

Wrong. As other posters have stated, with cites, much of what he said is actually contrary to Catholic teaching. That is not an "interpretation." It's a different belief altogether. Also, the response was to PP saying: "odd rigid social beliefs found in things like Catholicism essentially mandating women stick to a “vocation”. " Catholicism does no such thing, which should be obvious even to the least religiously informed person who simply knows Catholic women in the workplace. Even freaking ACB has always worked.

Again, how do you even know what you claim to profess? How do you know that’s not “real Catholicism”. Are you a self proclaimed expert? It’s weird. You argue in absolutes on -‘ issue not grounded in observable reality.

? Are the Benedictine nuns not "real" Catholics?

They said: "One of our concerns was the assertion that being a homemaker is the highest calling for a woman."

He did not actually say that.

If he said that being a wife and mother was a higher calling than being a nun or that being a husband and father was a higher calling than being a priest or monk, that would certainly have been aberrant in terms of Catholic thought.

If he had said "the highest calling is for you to be a nun", then you have a point. But, he went straight for the "your greatest vocation is wife and mother".

So, I guess even the Benedictine nuns didn't really understand what he was trying to say, eh? Maybe he has communication issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

except the Catholic nuns disagree with him. I guess they aren't real Catholics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps I missed, but sounds like Harrison Butker's comments may have been shaped by Leonard Leo and others, always looking to launder their stuff:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/chiefs-kicker-butker-antisemitic-lies-college-graduation-speech-1235021459/

I posted something alluding to this earlier. Yes, this wasn't a one-off commencement speech. He has $$$$ backers who are extremists and want to rule over American society in a truly sick way.

I’m another pp who posted something similar that this is for amplification and connected to the whole project 2025.

Regardless of where the speech falls on the spectrum of Catholic teachings is less important in my mind than the fact that MAGA wants to impose this ideology on all of us and there’s a lot of money backing it up.

You may be onto something about his speech being part of something larger. In our backyard, Gov Youngkin just vetoed several bills that sought to ensure access to birth control.

So how does Youngkin’s veto fit in with the trope that democrats are being hysterical about what the GOP wants to do?

Youngkin’s support of fascism - and traditional womanhood is a feature of fascism - will be ignored by Republicans, same as they always do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

No. RWNJ says anti-Catholic things at a Catholic school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

His language regarding NFP and the assertion that Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus do NOT line up with current Catholic teaching. So, no.

His lack of knowledge with respect to history is embarrassing. His lack of respect for Catholic teaching is alarming

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

except the Catholic nuns disagree with him. I guess they aren't real Catholics.

Eh. They are all real Catholics. There are some basic principles and doctrine Catholics are supposed to agree with (or at least not publicly dissent from), but open debate on the rest is fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

except the Catholic nuns disagree with him. I guess they aren't real Catholics.

Eh. They are all real Catholics. There are some basic principles and doctrine Catholics are supposed to agree with (or at least not publicly dissent from), but open debate on the rest is fine.

So the quip about a "Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school" can be debated since not all real Catholics agree with him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

except the Catholic nuns disagree with him. I guess they aren't real Catholics.

Eh. They are all real Catholics. There are some basic principles and doctrine Catholics are supposed to agree with (or at least not publicly dissent from), but open debate on the rest is fine.

So the quip about a "Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school" can be debated since not all real Catholics agree with him.

Sure. Debating what he said is fair game. But it goes too far to say someone is not a real Catholic because he does not have the same views as you on matters that are not core required beliefs.

I would have changed what was said above to "Catholic dude saying his Catholic thing, at Catholic school"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

except the Catholic nuns disagree with him. I guess they aren't real Catholics.

Eh. They are all real Catholics. There are some basic principles and doctrine Catholics are supposed to agree with (or at least not publicly dissent from), but open debate on the rest is fine.

Except he disagrees with basic principles and doctrine of the Catholic teaching. So as a Christian, he’s fine as a Catholic he’s a heretic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school?

oh my

except the Catholic nuns disagree with him. I guess they aren't real Catholics.

Eh. They are all real Catholics. There are some basic principles and doctrine Catholics are supposed to agree with (or at least not publicly dissent from), but open debate on the rest is fine.

So the quip about a "Catholic dude saying catholic thing, at catholic school" can be debated since not all real Catholics agree with him.

Sure. Debating what he said is fair game. But it goes too far to say someone is not a real Catholic because he does not have the same views as you on matters that are not core required beliefs.

I would have changed what was said above to "Catholic dude saying his Catholic thing, at Catholic school"

You missed the part where he speaks against basic Catholic teachings. So yeah, the dude is a Catholic, but he’s similar to a Catholic that had an abortion For convenience , or got divorced, and hold them up as good Catholic teachings.