Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She is not charged with felony for having a stillbirth. The subject of this thread is pure propaganda. She charged with abusing a dead body. Does not matter where the body came from (she hit is with the car, she killed the person, or she came across the dead body on the hike).

It does actually matter, context, always matters when talking about committing a crime.

If somebody holds a gun into your head and makes you stab somebody, you’re not as culpable, as if you plan and execute a murder.

The state that she lives in for her to carry dead baby in her body, which would cause psychos, they denied her healthcare and forced her to give birth in a toilet.

So yeah, it matters

There is a legal process for that. If she will be recognized incompetent to stand the trial, no one is going to find her guilty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Very sorry about your baby. At least you had the luxury of being in a hospital to receive care, painkillers, deliver her on a bed, and where a nurse cleaned and dressed her to give back you to to hold. That is right and proper.

No one sent you home to deliver your preemie into a toilet with the expectations of you having fish it out with your own hand amidst all the blood, clots, uterine tissue, placenta, fecal matter, urine, and toilet paper in the water.

When you've experienced that horror story, without having any spouse or friendly faces next to you to help you out, come back and tell us about how we are all inhuman for supporting a woman who did go through it.

Oh, but they did send me home. Ten hours later when the baby was actually coming, I went back. After dropping a ton of blood in the toilet, experiencing the unbearable pain of childbirth, I still had the wherewithal to go back.

Your experience is not universal. Not everyone will make it to hospital, even if they are trying to. You were fortunate in this one aspect- medical care and support. She may not have had time OR. access for an additional trip to hospital.
Precipitous birth/ejection.




I’m sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you think this should be prosecuted as a felony?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you think this should be prosecuted as a felony?

If that state has this law, then yes, it should be prosecuted. We cannot just disregard the law. If there will be evidence that she is incompetent to stand a trial or that she was in such condition that she was not understanding what she is doing, then the judge or jury should find her not guilty. We cannot just let all criminals walk around just because we disagree with the law. If we want to follow the rule of law, then we have to follow the legal process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

Not too many people hop up a dead body and put it in the freezer. A lot of women flush the remnants of a miscarriage down the toilet whether intentionally or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you think this should be prosecuted as a felony?

If that state has this law, then yes, it should be prosecuted. We cannot just disregard the law. If there will be evidence that she is incompetent to stand a trial or that she was in such condition that she was not understanding what she is doing, then the judge or jury should find her not guilty. We cannot just let all criminals walk around just because we disagree with the law. If we want to follow the rule of law, then we have to follow the legal process.

Hope you are prepared to start investigating a lot of women then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you can flush at 16 weeks but have to fish the fetus out at 22 weeks? Or you go to jail?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Very sorry about your baby. At least you had the luxury of being in a hospital to receive care, painkillers, deliver her on a bed, and where a nurse cleaned and dressed her to give back you to to hold. That is right and proper.

No one sent you home to deliver your preemie into a toilet with the expectations of you having fish it out with your own hand amidst all the blood, clots, uterine tissue, placenta, fecal matter, urine, and toilet paper in the water.

When you've experienced that horror story, without having any spouse or friendly faces next to you to help you out, come back and tell us about how we are all inhuman for supporting a woman who did go through it.

Oh, but they did send me home. Ten hours later when the baby was actually coming, I went back. After dropping a ton of blood in the toilet, experiencing the unbearable pain of childbirth, I still had the wherewithal to go back.

Oh but did you immediately stick your hands in your toilet and fish around with them to see if a fetus fell in there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you think this should be prosecuted as a felony?

If that state has this law, then yes, it should be prosecuted. We cannot just disregard the law. If there will be evidence that she is incompetent to stand a trial or that she was in such condition that she was not understanding what she is doing, then the judge or jury should find her not guilty. We cannot just let all criminals walk around just because we disagree with the law. If we want to follow the rule of law, then we have to follow the legal process.

Get ready for the Gestapo to be going through your trash examing the tampons and pads for the telltale signs of a miscarriage, ladies. I guess we also will have to register our pregnancies to certify that we have held proper burials if no live birth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you think this should be prosecuted as a felony?

If that state has this law, then yes, it should be prosecuted. We cannot just disregard the law. If there will be evidence that she is incompetent to stand a trial or that she was in such condition that she was not understanding what she is doing, then the judge or jury should find her not guilty. We cannot just let all criminals walk around just because we disagree with the law. If we want to follow the rule of law, then we have to follow the legal process.

Get ready for the Gestapo to be going through your trash examing the tampons and pads for the telltale signs of a miscarriage, ladies. I guess we also will have to register our pregnancies to certify that we have held proper burials if no live birth.

And no travel to neighboring states where laws might be different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Very sorry about your baby. At least you had the luxury of being in a hospital to receive care, painkillers, deliver her on a bed, and where a nurse cleaned and dressed her to give back you to to hold. That is right and proper.

No one sent you home to deliver your preemie into a toilet with the expectations of you having fish it out with your own hand amidst all the blood, clots, uterine tissue, placenta, fecal matter, urine, and toilet paper in the water.

When you've experienced that horror story, without having any spouse or friendly faces next to you to help you out, come back and tell us about how we are all inhuman for supporting a woman who did go through it.

Oh, but they did send me home. Ten hours later when the baby was actually coming, I went back. After dropping a ton of blood in the toilet, experiencing the unbearable pain of childbirth, I still had the wherewithal to go back.

Did they send you home after your water had broken?

How long did you have between the time you decided to go back and when you were delivered of your baby? These details matter if you are going to compare your situation to another person’s and claim you are superior in your reaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty clear this prosecution is about getting a case on the record that gives personhood to a 2nd trimester fetus.

Yup. So a DEAD second trimester fetus will have more rights to its bodily autonomy than a living human woman. MAGA!

I love all you people coming on here who have never held a second-trimester fetus. Once it is outside the uterus it is no longer a fetus, it is a baby. I held my 22 week baby, the nurse dressed her, and took photos. Yes, that baby is worth the dignity of not being flushed down the toilet. It has nothing to do with being "MAGA," it has to do with being a mother. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, human about flushing a baby down the toilet. You haven't seen a baby outside the uterus at that stage of gestation, so I suggest you keep your small-minded, uninformed opinion to yourself.

Very sorry about your baby. At least you had the luxury of being in a hospital to receive care, painkillers, deliver her on a bed, and where a nurse cleaned and dressed her to give back you to to hold. That is right and proper.

No one sent you home to deliver your preemie into a toilet with the expectations of you having fish it out with your own hand amidst all the blood, clots, uterine tissue, placenta, fecal matter, urine, and toilet paper in the water.

When you've experienced that horror story, without having any spouse or friendly faces next to you to help you out, come back and tell us about how we are all inhuman for supporting a woman who did go through it.

Oh, but they did send me home. Ten hours later when the baby was actually coming, I went back. After dropping a ton of blood in the toilet, experiencing the unbearable pain of childbirth, I still had the wherewithal to go back.

Did they send you home after your water had broken?

How long did you have between the time you decided to go back and when you were delivered of your baby? These details matter if you are going to compare your situation to another person’s and claim you are superior in your reaction.

And also were you alone or did you have someone with you for some or all of this time? Did you have insurance? Did you have a job that you’d get fired from for taking off work for this situation?

More details please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She is not being charged with having a stillborn. She is being charged for abuse of a corpse for leaving the dead baby in the toilet.

Still stupid. She had a miscarriage. The "baby" was never alive. She was probably not feeling great, confused, panicked, etc. There was likely blood, she didn't know what to do. Hell, maybe it was too slippery to pick up. Maybe she felt faint. Why the hell should someone be subjected to criminal prosecution for this?

Because most of the people in this world hate women.

Because she is not subject to criminal prosecution for that. Not alive baby is a corpse, and you cannot just disasamble any dead body the way you feel like (to chop it in the pieces and put it in the freezer or to flush it in the toilet). That what she is charged with.

So you think this should be prosecuted as a felony?

If that state has this law, then yes, it should be prosecuted. We cannot just disregard the law. If there will be evidence that she is incompetent to stand a trial or that she was in such condition that she was not understanding what she is doing, then the judge or jury should find her not guilty. We cannot just let all criminals walk around just because we disagree with the law. If we want to follow the rule of law, then we have to follow the legal process.

States have all kinds of goofy laws. Do YOU think it's criminal behavior? A felony?

[Anonymous]

I looked up the definition of a stillbirth and the WHO says it’s 28 weeks. So, unless Ohio has a different legal definition this was a miscarriage.

Heartbreaking, but legally not the same.