SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

[Anonymous]

I think we’re forgetting that women, particularly white women, have benefited the most from affirmative action. In fact, women now outnumber men in higher education. This is opening the door for the SC to go after women as well as minorities.

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And you can’t? Or just won’t? Because you don’t think you should have to, right?

Because your precious snowflake shouldn’t have to work hard… like ever.

Because I’m raising a person with character, not a sheep who can test well.

Then why such anger? You raise your kids based on what you think is important, and let others do what they want. Why do you need to enter race into the equation? I guarantee you, Asians don't all think alike and agree on how to raise their children. There is a huge divide just between first and generation immigrants, for example. You have good reason to question the cramming mentality and want to raise a well rounded child. Then do it, and pick schools that follow your philosophy and let others follow their own paths. But as the SCOTUS decision said, keep race out of the equation.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if schools like Harvard rejected black male candidates because admissions staff gave them negative personality scores for things like ‘probably prone to violence’ and ‘most likely to act unruly and without discipline in the classroom’. How outrageous would that be? Of course it’d be despicable to reject a black man for negative personality scores based on racial stereotypes like that. So why should we tolerate that crap but for Asians? And you wonder why Asians are upset when Affirmative Action setup a system where they have to be judged in their personality, which ended up being based on racial stereotypes of their perceived behavior. I can’t believe we even need to discuss this. Affirmative Action should have died a long time ago based on the monstrosity it morphed into. Maybe at first it had merit, but it just ended up becoming a race based system using stereotypes to judge people.

You are just making shit up. No one used an Asian stereotype of personality. They are giving points to students who are engaged in activities and organizations and community causes, as they should. The ability to contribute to group projects and engage with other people is a valuable asset and skill. Plenty of Asian kids are involved in activities and get the deserved boost for it. Antisocial hermits do not contribute as much to a school or to society, no matter their race or test scores.

The personality ranking was completely made up, used as a front to discriminate against asians, and had no basis in reality. Pasting what was posted before:

When comparing applicants with the same level of academic achievement, Asians always had the worst personality scores of any group. The SFFA constructed an index based on Harvard’s academic rating and used it to divide applicants into 10 evenly-sized groups (deciles) based on the strength of their academic performance. Within each of the 10 academic deciles, Asians had the lowest personality scores across all of the racial groups. A perfect 10 for 10.

Within each racial group, high academic performance strongly predicted high personality ratings, but Asians had the lowest average personality rating even though they had the highest average academic rating.

In contrast, Harvard alumni rated Asians similar to whites on personality and better, on average, than Latinos and blacks. But it is the admissions office, not alumni, that ultimately determines Harvard’s personality ratings.

https://thehill.com/opinion/education/3704542...cult-of-personality/

You don’t understand statistics. The average score is not the score for every member of the group. Some Asians had higher scores, some had average, some had low. They were rated as individuals based on the evidence in their files, not given a default Asian rating. It could just be that some Asians did not promote their personalities and activities and quirks as much as many other applicants did.

LOL no, you don't understand statistics. But sure, keep trying to find ways to justify your racism against Asians. I don't see how any reasonable person can read the above and conclude "yes that is perfectly ok."

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Anonymous wrote:How soon we forget

And over the years, he learned and evolved. That is what nice humans do.

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Anonymous wrote:There was no way Harvard was going to let the university be majority Asian so they made up random barriers like extracurricular activities to block more Asians from being accepted. Having good grades wasn’t enough.

Instead of admitting that Ivy Leagues simply do not want more Asians (for whatever reason). Some Asians started blaming black and latino people for “taking their spot”.

Having good grades has never been enough. That is what the people litigating this action never seem to understand. It is the role of the admissions offices to put together a class of talented individuals across different disciplines, interests, perspectives and personalities. They also need people to fill out music, theater, athletics, research and other pursuits. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of kids who can manage the work who apply but only a handful gain admission. But the idea that the admissions should be based solely on scores and grades in a vacuum is ignorant, lazy and misguided.

It isn't. And, that is not what SCOTUS ruled.
You probably need to read the decision and some of the statements from the Justices.

I know that isn't what the Justices wrote, I was reacting to posts on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Most people evolve. Like Biden.

I doubt this move will help most of the GOP base, with the exception of the very wealthy.

On the plus side, this move will probably help HBCUs, many SLACs, and regional universities.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

Also recent immigrants and their kids are mostly well educated and privileged. We have rigged immigration for people with money, connections, and degrees. A lot of them arrive on student visas as grad students and work connections to get to stay. There are a billion poor and uneducated Asians but you won’t see them in the U.S.

Rigged?! Hello, who wants low skill low intelligence uneducated immigrants?! Maybe to fill jobs at the slaughterhouses but since they also bring families that need to be educated and to live somewhere the benefit might not be so great…

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

This is true. Their parents really push academics and excelling at activities to get them into top colleges. My child participates in fencing and the parents are unrelenting on achievement.

I can confirm that many of the Asian students at my DC's public ES in a UMC neighborhood in NOVA got tutoring starting around age 5. They were also enrolled from a young age in STEM-related enrichment activities both after school and in the summer. They were also more likely to play musical instruments beyond the early years of ES. They can't all be naturally more intelligent or musically gifted than other students. Unless you believe that some races are superior to other races at the genetic level.

Well there are more top athletes of some races than others, so I don’t know.

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Anonymous wrote:What kind if personality can a child have when they were pushed to do worksheets and study for tests since very early age?

When they didn’t have free time, play time, unstructured time?

When they were not given any space to develop their own interests and passions, but were told by their parents that it was decided for them they must become a doctor/engineer/lawyer?

This is a recipe for a very plain personality.

First off, Asians don't all raise their kids the same way. Seriously?! How stupid do you have to be to believe otherwise.

Second, even a kid who works hard and has less unstructured play can have a personality, believe it not. Shocking, but freestyle parenting isn't the only kind of parenting that leads to real humans!!

Third, it is a very trendy/white/waspy/UMC thing nowadays to praise kids endlessly, validate all their feelings, help them make friends and be popular, etc. That's fine if it's important to you but know there are others who disagree and think this style of parenting leads to entitled, selfish, hippie pricks who need their trigger warnings and safe spaces. If that's what you mean by personality, yeah, you are right, the tiger mom parenting style won't get you there. But we need good doctors, engineers, and lawyers, so some of us want serious parents.

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Anonymous wrote:How soon we forget

And over the years, he learned and evolved. That is what nice humans do.

And yet . . . people have been trashed and criticized for actions in the last century. For all we know, they changed before they died.

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Anonymous wrote:No more fake white “Latinos” whose European ancestors moved to South America getting admissions preferences over other similarly white students.

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No one games the system more than latinos!

Yet they have the lowest percentage of college degrees. The data don’t support your feelings.

DP. It’s because so many can’t get one despite AA.
But many of those who can are using the loophole. Technically it’s “mestizo” who rightfully get AA.

[Anonymous]

Yay hey, the witch is dead! Long live freedom and liberty for all.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

Also recent immigrants and their kids are mostly well educated and privileged. We have rigged immigration for people with money, connections, and degrees. A lot of them arrive on student visas as grad students and work connections to get to stay. There are a billion poor and uneducated Asians but you won’t see them in the U.S.

Poor and uneducated does not equal a lack of intelligence.

Apparently the Supreme Court believes that it does mean that for Blacks and Hispanics. Poor and less educated don’t have SAT tutors and fencing classes and prep school advantages.

But my point above was that you are looking at privileged Asians in affluent communities and elite schools concluding that all Asians are brilliant students. The extreme disparities and class divisions in most Asian countries says otherwise.

And I will tell you again....I am not working in an affluent area. The kids I'm evaluating (Hispanic, Black, White, Asian, etc) are not affluent at all.

I'm not going to say that Asians are smarter but I think a possible explanation for seemingly smarter asian kids from a very young age goes back to parental relationship. It's not the tutoring. I think it's the way traditionally Asian parents talk to their kids. I have never heard an Asian parent (not born here) use baby talk or sound like they are talking to kids when they talk to their kids. They talk like normal, they explain why rules are set, they explain the world how it is. They don't dumb it down, they don't sound impressed with the tiniest thing the kid does. Full disclosure, I am a second generation Asian and I cannot STAND the way white parents talk to their kids. It sounds like they adopt a fake persona.

Nah, any talking to kids is good. The problem is when parents don’t. Or the only talk is to put them down, call names etc

[Anonymous]

All of you who think this issue was about Asians are strongly mistaken. Presenting Asians as the purported "victims" of AA college admissions policies was a smokescreen to divert attention from the real intended beneficiaries of doing away with AA: WHITES. Asians think Blacks and Hispanics are taking away their slots in the most selective colleges? While admission rates for Asians may go up slightly, a higher proportion of those "extra" slots will be going to whites.

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Asian kids are absolutely not smarter than any race.

Do Asian parents parent better than any other race?

Thats the real question and beyond a doubt I'd say yes, that on average, your Asian parent is doing a better job than the average job of your parents of any other race.

The levels of education, income, and crime committed by Asians clearly demonstrate their superior way of upbringing children and raising kids. Any other race is free to use the same exact method to get the same kind of results if they wish.