Big 3 Nightmare

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I believe SLACs still love private school kids.
Perhaps state universities don’t take into account the private school transcripts and higher quality essays and teacher recommendations but SLACs spend more time reading applications. I would be thrilled to have my kid go to a school like Bowdoin, Grinnell, Colby, Hamilton, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t really matter due to advent of TO, the point of the APs is not the test score, it’s the GPA boost

NO.

It's not, and never has been, about the GPA boost. Colleges look at UNWEIGHTED GPA, not weighted GPA. This point has been repeated over and over again on this thread, and over and over on DCUM for at least since my oldest kid was applying five years ago, in the pre-TO era. How many more times before you get it?

For kids going to state schools and many SLACs, a 4-5 on an AP will let them skip and get credit for the intro, 100-level course, which could save them tuition or being bored for a semester. Ivies generally don't allow this and only use APs for credentialling.

The point of APs is credentialling for public school kids, where the quality of teaching may be more uneven and colleges want assurance that A in AP Statistics reflects a solid understanding of the material.

Result: A kid who scores 4 or 5 on an AP will send in their scores, TO or not.

Helpful advice for people who chose a school 10 years ago!
Rather than just repeating this claim over and over, it would probably be more effective if you could get state flagships to make public statements explaining this. Because right now many of them say they give bumps for APs, or use your school’s weighted GPA. And no one is going to trust some anonymous comment on DCUM when the schools themselves are issuing official statements that say the opposite.

This is the heart of the problem these kids are facing, by the way: the privates are so optimized for getting hooked kids into T15s that when a kid strikes out in the T30 and decides to go for a state flagship, they wind up falling pretty far down the list.

Nobody is disputing that a 4 or 5 on an AP will give your kid a bump. The whole point is that colleges use it to make sure your kid's A in chem is for real--if your kid scores high on AP chem, it's clear they actually know the material, regardless of the quality of the class or the teacher. So that's a strawman right there.

So have your kid take the AP test even if their class wasn't labelled "AP." Although a tutor might help, I know kids who have done this, and done well, even without tutoring--like my kid. It was actually only a few week's work to figure out the material that wasn't covered in the class but could be on the AP test. Buy the relevant AP test prep book. Maybe it's too late for private school kids in this round, but going forward private school families might consider this.

You misunderstand me. Flagships are admitting by formula, or at least using a formula to narrow the pool. And that formula includes GPA. And for many schools, that GPA is either the weighted GPA as calculated by your high school (Georgia does it that way) or a recalculated GPA that weights for an official AP course, but not for a private school’s proprietary “advanced” course (the UC schools do it that way). Yes, the exam scores will help too—if the kid’s private school GPA is high enough to make it past that first cut.

If this is true (and I'm not 100% convinced), then you need to bring it up with your private school admin. They'd need to develop a credible way to weight some classes higher. That is, weigh the advanced math classes higher, don't just say "we're Sidwell."

Probably more effective for an unhooked family to just choose a school that does this already—Holton, for example—or a school like Visi or Burke or WIS that offers AP/IB courses.

[Anonymous]

This was a normal year

Parents at these schools never learn

Private does not equate to better college admissions unless your student is at Andover or a quality private not the DMV ones. They are fine but not going to be better than public admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t really matter due to advent of TO, the point of the APs is not the test score, it’s the GPA boost

NO.

It's not, and never has been, about the GPA boost. Colleges look at UNWEIGHTED GPA, not weighted GPA. This point has been repeated over and over again on this thread, and over and over on DCUM for at least since my oldest kid was applying five years ago, in the pre-TO era. How many more times before you get it?

For kids going to state schools and many SLACs, a 4-5 on an AP will let them skip and get credit for the intro, 100-level course, which could save them tuition or being bored for a semester. Ivies generally don't allow this and only use APs for credentialling.

The point of APs is credentialling for public school kids, where the quality of teaching may be more uneven and colleges want assurance that A in AP Statistics reflects a solid understanding of the material.

Result: A kid who scores 4 or 5 on an AP will send in their scores, TO or not.

Rather than just repeating this claim over and over, it would probably be more effective if you could get state flagships to make public statements explaining this. Because right now many of them say they give bumps for APs, or use your school’s weighted GPA. And no one is going to trust some anonymous comment on DCUM when the schools themselves are issuing official statements that say the opposite.

This is the heart of the problem these kids are facing, by the way: the privates are so optimized for getting hooked kids into T15s that when a kid strikes out in the T30 and decides to go for a state flagship, they wind up falling pretty far down the list.

Nobody is disputing that a 4 or 5 on an AP will give your kid a bump. The whole point is that colleges use it to make sure your kid's A in chem is for real--if your kid scores high on AP chem, it's clear they actually know the material, regardless of the quality of the class or the teacher. So that's a strawman right there.

So have your kid take the AP test even if their class wasn't labelled "AP." Although a tutor might help, I know kids who have done this, and done well, even without tutoring--like my kid. It was actually only a few week's work to figure out the material that wasn't covered in the class but could be on the AP test. Buy the relevant AP test prep book. Maybe it's too late for private school kids in this round, but going forward private school families might consider this.

Ha.

I got a C+ in my AP bio class junior year and then a 5 on the AP exam. I mentioned it to my teacher in passing the following fall, and he changed my grade to an A-. Go figure.

I’ve always wondered if that girl had something like that on Sidwell, when they agreed to recompute her grades.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe SLACs still love private school kids.
Perhaps state universities don’t take into account the private school transcripts and higher quality essays and teacher recommendations but SLACs spend more time reading applications. I would be thrilled to have my kid go to a school like Bowdoin, Grinnell, Colby, Hamilton, etc.

LOL. Read, "essays that have been heavily edited by the school's college counseling office or consultants." Admissions officers at SLACs and everywhere else know this happens at private schools.

Also, why would teacher recommendations have a heavier weight coming from private than public?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t really matter due to advent of TO, the point of the APs is not the test score, it’s the GPA boost

NO.

It's not, and never has been, about the GPA boost. Colleges look at UNWEIGHTED GPA, not weighted GPA. This point has been repeated over and over again on this thread, and over and over on DCUM for at least since my oldest kid was applying five years ago, in the pre-TO era. How many more times before you get it?

For kids going to state schools and many SLACs, a 4-5 on an AP will let them skip and get credit for the intro, 100-level course, which could save them tuition or being bored for a semester. Ivies generally don't allow this and only use APs for credentialling.

The point of APs is credentialling for public school kids, where the quality of teaching may be more uneven and colleges want assurance that A in AP Statistics reflects a solid understanding of the material.

Result: A kid who scores 4 or 5 on an AP will send in their scores, TO or not.

Rather than just repeating this claim over and over, it would probably be more effective if you could get state flagships to make public statements explaining this. Because right now many of them say they give bumps for APs, or use your school’s weighted GPA. And no one is going to trust some anonymous comment on DCUM when the schools themselves are issuing official statements that say the opposite.

This is the heart of the problem these kids are facing, by the way: the privates are so optimized for getting hooked kids into T15s that when a kid strikes out in the T30 and decides to go for a state flagship, they wind up falling pretty far down the list.

Nobody is disputing that a 4 or 5 on an AP will give your kid a bump. The whole point is that colleges use it to make sure your kid's A in chem is for real--if your kid scores high on AP chem, it's clear they actually know the material, regardless of the quality of the class or the teacher. So that's a strawman right there.

So have your kid take the AP test even if their class wasn't labelled "AP." Although a tutor might help, I know kids who have done this, and done well, even without tutoring--like my kid. It was actually only a few week's work to figure out the material that wasn't covered in the class but could be on the AP test. Buy the relevant AP test prep book. Maybe it's too late for private school kids in this round, but going forward private school families might consider this.

You misunderstand me. Flagships are admitting by formula, or at least using a formula to narrow the pool. And that formula includes GPA. And for many schools, that GPA is either the weighted GPA as calculated by your high school (Georgia does it that way) or a recalculated GPA that weights for an official AP course, but not for a private school’s proprietary “advanced” course (the UC schools do it that way). Yes, the exam scores will help too—if the kid’s private school GPA is high enough to make it past that first cut.

If this is true (and I'm not 100% convinced), then you need to bring it up with your private school admin. They'd need to develop a credible way to weight some classes higher. That is, weigh the advanced math classes higher, don't just say "we're Sidwell."

Which might entail a whole re-thinking of the private school modus operandi, tbh. I don't buy that private school kids work harder than college-bound kids in public schools who are taking 6-8-10 APs. But in public schools, it's the 6-8-10 APs that separate these kids from the rest who are taking lower-pressure honors classes. In public schools, Honors English and AP English are two very different animals, and that's what justifies the higher weights for AP classes.

Maybe even the top privates need to find tracks for kids who don't want to kill themselves and know they're not going to win the dogfight to get into Yale anyway. Harvard used to have a "happy bottom quarter." The kids who want to grind the hardest classes, like the public school kids taking all those APs, get their classes weighted accordingly.

They do that. At Sidwell, it's done very well.

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I think they don't care. Their goal is to report high average GPA for incoming students and improve image and rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow- I went to a TT SLAC in the 90s from NCS with a similar GPA and a 1480 SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:“You may have more data at NCS but there are plenty of unhappy parents and students regarding college outcomes at NCS. Yes, the education is outstanding but it is hard for students not to question why they worked so hard in HS to end up at a school like Bates or Wisconsin. “

I am an NCS parent of a senior. We would be dancing on the rooftops if our DD got into Wisconsin. It was a rejection. We are looking at options much, much lower on the USNWR list. Think 75-120.

what is your child's approx. GPA? NCS parent here.

GPA is 3.4. ACT is 33

That truly sucks. All the grade inflation at public schools and test optional is so frustrating.

This is so tone deaf. You realize that “back in the day,” elite colleges only let in certain types of people (originally WASP-Y men from certain families and high schools). Broadening access to a wider swath of kids is a GOOD thing for the colleges and for the country vs having something more like an oligarchy of access. Private school kids do not need MORE protection and benefits. They are going to be fine.

-parent of private school kid who didn’t have a great college outcome

I don’t need a lesson from you about “back in the day”, but thanks private school parent. I was first gen to go to college from LM family. No one said anything about protections or benefits. A meritocracy should be the goal. Not for public schools to inflate grades so that a 4.0 has no more meaning.

So in other words, you want to pull down the ladder behind you.

Not at all. I don’t think my kid should be up against MCPS kids who get Bs and then “show improvement” and all of a sudden it’s an A. Give me a break.

What does this even mean? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I imagine your implication is that public schools hand out As like candy. While there is grade inflation, a lot of it is at the lower end so that kids who are failing actually end up graduating. Some easy electives like Tech, Forensics or a class like PE\Health do give out easy As but generally Honors and AP classes are very teacher dependent. Some of the teachers are very tough even in public school. College admissions officers are not completely dumb by the way. They look at a 3.8 GPA from Sidwell very differently than a 3.8 GPA from public school

This was our experience. Tech and PE/Health were required, but you only took them in semesters when your scheduled was heavily loaded up on APs. My kids had teachers who were stingy with As, too.

Yes but in MCPS the letter grades from each quarter are averaged. You can get an 89.5 quarter one (A) and a 79.5 quarter two (B) and you get a 4.0 (A). A 4.0!!!!

At NCS percentages are averaged. So at NCS an 89.5 first quarter and a 79.5 second quarter is averaged to a 84.5 which is a straight B. or a 3.0. A MASSIVE difference in GPA despite the kid getting the IDENTICAL percentages each quarter as the MCPS kid.

Can you see how much harder it is to do well under the NCS system???

Do you think UMD's admissions officers aren't aware of this? Even if the first cut is AI, there will be a flag for the type of school. This is admissions 101.

[Anonymous]

Private school college counseling offices do NOT heavily edit essays, although they offer advice. I assume private school families are more likely to hire essay coaches, but I also think that private schools tend to focus more on writing overall and produce better writers.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe SLACs still love private school kids.
Perhaps state universities don’t take into account the private school transcripts and higher quality essays and teacher recommendations but SLACs spend more time reading applications. I would be thrilled to have my kid go to a school like Bowdoin, Grinnell, Colby, Hamilton, etc.

LOL. Read, "essays that have been heavily edited by the school's college counseling office or consultants." Admissions officers at SLACs and everywhere else know this happens at private schools.

Also, why would teacher recommendations have a heavier weight coming from private than public?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pour one out for the rich kids

Not a whole one. Just a little bit out.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow- I went to a TT SLAC in the 90s from NCS with a similar GPA and a 1480 SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:“You may have more data at NCS but there are plenty of unhappy parents and students regarding college outcomes at NCS. Yes, the education is outstanding but it is hard for students not to question why they worked so hard in HS to end up at a school like Bates or Wisconsin. “

I am an NCS parent of a senior. We would be dancing on the rooftops if our DD got into Wisconsin. It was a rejection. We are looking at options much, much lower on the USNWR list. Think 75-120.

what is your child's approx. GPA? NCS parent here.

GPA is 3.4. ACT is 33

That truly sucks. All the grade inflation at public schools and test optional is so frustrating.

This is so tone deaf. You realize that “back in the day,” elite colleges only let in certain types of people (originally WASP-Y men from certain families and high schools). Broadening access to a wider swath of kids is a GOOD thing for the colleges and for the country vs having something more like an oligarchy of access. Private school kids do not need MORE protection and benefits. They are going to be fine.

-parent of private school kid who didn’t have a great college outcome

I don’t need a lesson from you about “back in the day”, but thanks private school parent. I was first gen to go to college from LM family. No one said anything about protections or benefits. A meritocracy should be the goal. Not for public schools to inflate grades so that a 4.0 has no more meaning.

So in other words, you want to pull down the ladder behind you.

Not at all. I don’t think my kid should be up against MCPS kids who get Bs and then “show improvement” and all of a sudden it’s an A. Give me a break.

What does this even mean? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I imagine your implication is that public schools hand out As like candy. While there is grade inflation, a lot of it is at the lower end so that kids who are failing actually end up graduating. Some easy electives like Tech, Forensics or a class like PE\Health do give out easy As but generally Honors and AP classes are very teacher dependent. Some of the teachers are very tough even in public school. College admissions officers are not completely dumb by the way. They look at a 3.8 GPA from Sidwell very differently than a 3.8 GPA from public school

This was our experience. Tech and PE/Health were required, but you only took them in semesters when your scheduled was heavily loaded up on APs. My kids had teachers who were stingy with As, too.

Yes but in MCPS the letter grades from each quarter are averaged. You can get an 89.5 quarter one (A) and a 79.5 quarter two (B) and you get a 4.0 (A). A 4.0!!!!

At NCS percentages are averaged. So at NCS an 89.5 first quarter and a 79.5 second quarter is averaged to a 84.5 which is a straight B. or a 3.0. A MASSIVE difference in GPA despite the kid getting the IDENTICAL percentages each quarter as the MCPS kid.

Can you see how much harder it is to do well under the NCS system???

Do you think UMD's admissions officers aren't aware of this? Even if the first cut is AI, there will be a flag for the type of school. This is admissions 101.

Honestly, it doesn't appear there is any sort of flag this year.

NCS kids with less than a 3.5 (or thereabouts) are getting screened out of most if not all state schools.

They're getting rejected at MD, TN, CO, SC, etc. etc.

Apparently these large schools are using software that don't take into account the rigor or the grading. They see 3.3 and the application gets put in the "no" pile on the first read.

DONE. REJECTED.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow- I went to a TT SLAC in the 90s from NCS with a similar GPA and a 1480 SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:“You may have more data at NCS but there are plenty of unhappy parents and students regarding college outcomes at NCS. Yes, the education is outstanding but it is hard for students not to question why they worked so hard in HS to end up at a school like Bates or Wisconsin. “

I am an NCS parent of a senior. We would be dancing on the rooftops if our DD got into Wisconsin. It was a rejection. We are looking at options much, much lower on the USNWR list. Think 75-120.

what is your child's approx. GPA? NCS parent here.

GPA is 3.4. ACT is 33

That truly sucks. All the grade inflation at public schools and test optional is so frustrating.

This is so tone deaf. You realize that “back in the day,” elite colleges only let in certain types of people (originally WASP-Y men from certain families and high schools). Broadening access to a wider swath of kids is a GOOD thing for the colleges and for the country vs having something more like an oligarchy of access. Private school kids do not need MORE protection and benefits. They are going to be fine.

-parent of private school kid who didn’t have a great college outcome

I don’t need a lesson from you about “back in the day”, but thanks private school parent. I was first gen to go to college from LM family. No one said anything about protections or benefits. A meritocracy should be the goal. Not for public schools to inflate grades so that a 4.0 has no more meaning.

So in other words, you want to pull down the ladder behind you.

Not at all. I don’t think my kid should be up against MCPS kids who get Bs and then “show improvement” and all of a sudden it’s an A. Give me a break.

What does this even mean? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I imagine your implication is that public schools hand out As like candy. While there is grade inflation, a lot of it is at the lower end so that kids who are failing actually end up graduating. Some easy electives like Tech, Forensics or a class like PE\Health do give out easy As but generally Honors and AP classes are very teacher dependent. Some of the teachers are very tough even in public school. College admissions officers are not completely dumb by the way. They look at a 3.8 GPA from Sidwell very differently than a 3.8 GPA from public school

This was our experience. Tech and PE/Health were required, but you only took them in semesters when your scheduled was heavily loaded up on APs. My kids had teachers who were stingy with As, too.

Yes but in MCPS the letter grades from each quarter are averaged. You can get an 89.5 quarter one (A) and a 79.5 quarter two (B) and you get a 4.0 (A). A 4.0!!!!

At NCS percentages are averaged. So at NCS an 89.5 first quarter and a 79.5 second quarter is averaged to a 84.5 which is a straight B. or a 3.0. A MASSIVE difference in GPA despite the kid getting the IDENTICAL percentages each quarter as the MCPS kid.

Can you see how much harder it is to do well under the NCS system???

Do you think UMD's admissions officers aren't aware of this? Even if the first cut is AI, there will be a flag for the type of school. This is admissions 101.

Honestly, it doesn't appear there is any sort of flag this year.

NCS kids with less than a 3.5 (or thereabouts) are getting screened out of most if not all state schools.

They're getting rejected at MD, TN, CO, SC, etc. etc.

Apparently these large schools are using software that don't take into account the rigor or the grading. They see 3.3 and the application gets put in the "no" pile on the first read.

DONE. REJECTED.

Well given that you guys probably sneer at large state schools as much as you sneer at public high schools, this shouldn't be a problem, no?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow- I went to a TT SLAC in the 90s from NCS with a similar GPA and a 1480 SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:“You may have more data at NCS but there are plenty of unhappy parents and students regarding college outcomes at NCS. Yes, the education is outstanding but it is hard for students not to question why they worked so hard in HS to end up at a school like Bates or Wisconsin. “

I am an NCS parent of a senior. We would be dancing on the rooftops if our DD got into Wisconsin. It was a rejection. We are looking at options much, much lower on the USNWR list. Think 75-120.

what is your child's approx. GPA? NCS parent here.

GPA is 3.4. ACT is 33

That truly sucks. All the grade inflation at public schools and test optional is so frustrating.

This is so tone deaf. You realize that “back in the day,” elite colleges only let in certain types of people (originally WASP-Y men from certain families and high schools). Broadening access to a wider swath of kids is a GOOD thing for the colleges and for the country vs having something more like an oligarchy of access. Private school kids do not need MORE protection and benefits. They are going to be fine.

-parent of private school kid who didn’t have a great college outcome

I don’t need a lesson from you about “back in the day”, but thanks private school parent. I was first gen to go to college from LM family. No one said anything about protections or benefits. A meritocracy should be the goal. Not for public schools to inflate grades so that a 4.0 has no more meaning.

So in other words, you want to pull down the ladder behind you.

Not at all. I don’t think my kid should be up against MCPS kids who get Bs and then “show improvement” and all of a sudden it’s an A. Give me a break.

What does this even mean? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I imagine your implication is that public schools hand out As like candy. While there is grade inflation, a lot of it is at the lower end so that kids who are failing actually end up graduating. Some easy electives like Tech, Forensics or a class like PE\Health do give out easy As but generally Honors and AP classes are very teacher dependent. Some of the teachers are very tough even in public school. College admissions officers are not completely dumb by the way. They look at a 3.8 GPA from Sidwell very differently than a 3.8 GPA from public school

This was our experience. Tech and PE/Health were required, but you only took them in semesters when your scheduled was heavily loaded up on APs. My kids had teachers who were stingy with As, too.

Yes but in MCPS the letter grades from each quarter are averaged. You can get an 89.5 quarter one (A) and a 79.5 quarter two (B) and you get a 4.0 (A). A 4.0!!!!

At NCS percentages are averaged. So at NCS an 89.5 first quarter and a 79.5 second quarter is averaged to a 84.5 which is a straight B. or a 3.0. A MASSIVE difference in GPA despite the kid getting the IDENTICAL percentages each quarter as the MCPS kid.

Can you see how much harder it is to do well under the NCS system???

Do you think UMD's admissions officers aren't aware of this? Even if the first cut is AI, there will be a flag for the type of school. This is admissions 101.

If this is the case then you would see NCS kids with a 3.0 getting into Maryland. Because their admissions algorithm would accurately take into account that a kid with a 3.0 at NCS could have received the exact same percentage grades as a kid with un unweighted 4.0 from MCPS.

But no, places like UMD are throwing out applications from NCS that are below about a 3.7 (or similar). They're not reading them in some nuanced way. They're just tossing them.

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Schools have a structural incentive (US news ratings) to take kids with high GPAs. So if Kid A has a 4.4 and kid B has a 3.4 at a much more rigorous school, barring some major advantage, I think it is in the college’s interest to take Kid A.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow- I went to a TT SLAC in the 90s from NCS with a similar GPA and a 1480 SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:“You may have more data at NCS but there are plenty of unhappy parents and students regarding college outcomes at NCS. Yes, the education is outstanding but it is hard for students not to question why they worked so hard in HS to end up at a school like Bates or Wisconsin. “

I am an NCS parent of a senior. We would be dancing on the rooftops if our DD got into Wisconsin. It was a rejection. We are looking at options much, much lower on the USNWR list. Think 75-120.

what is your child's approx. GPA? NCS parent here.

GPA is 3.4. ACT is 33

That truly sucks. All the grade inflation at public schools and test optional is so frustrating.

This is so tone deaf. You realize that “back in the day,” elite colleges only let in certain types of people (originally WASP-Y men from certain families and high schools). Broadening access to a wider swath of kids is a GOOD thing for the colleges and for the country vs having something more like an oligarchy of access. Private school kids do not need MORE protection and benefits. They are going to be fine.

-parent of private school kid who didn’t have a great college outcome

I don’t need a lesson from you about “back in the day”, but thanks private school parent. I was first gen to go to college from LM family. No one said anything about protections or benefits. A meritocracy should be the goal. Not for public schools to inflate grades so that a 4.0 has no more meaning.

So in other words, you want to pull down the ladder behind you.

Not at all. I don’t think my kid should be up against MCPS kids who get Bs and then “show improvement” and all of a sudden it’s an A. Give me a break.

What does this even mean? I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I imagine your implication is that public schools hand out As like candy. While there is grade inflation, a lot of it is at the lower end so that kids who are failing actually end up graduating. Some easy electives like Tech, Forensics or a class like PE\Health do give out easy As but generally Honors and AP classes are very teacher dependent. Some of the teachers are very tough even in public school. College admissions officers are not completely dumb by the way. They look at a 3.8 GPA from Sidwell very differently than a 3.8 GPA from public school

This was our experience. Tech and PE/Health were required, but you only took them in semesters when your scheduled was heavily loaded up on APs. My kids had teachers who were stingy with As, too.

Yes but in MCPS the letter grades from each quarter are averaged. You can get an 89.5 quarter one (A) and a 79.5 quarter two (B) and you get a 4.0 (A). A 4.0!!!!

At NCS percentages are averaged. So at NCS an 89.5 first quarter and a 79.5 second quarter is averaged to a 84.5 which is a straight B. or a 3.0. A MASSIVE difference in GPA despite the kid getting the IDENTICAL percentages each quarter as the MCPS kid.

Can you see how much harder it is to do well under the NCS system???

Do you think UMD's admissions officers aren't aware of this? Even if the first cut is AI, there will be a flag for the type of school. This is admissions 101.

Honestly, it doesn't appear there is any sort of flag this year.

NCS kids with less than a 3.5 (or thereabouts) are getting screened out of most if not all state schools.

They're getting rejected at MD, TN, CO, SC, etc. etc.

Apparently these large schools are using software that don't take into account the rigor or the grading. They see 3.3 and the application gets put in the "no" pile on the first read.

DONE. REJECTED.

Well given that you guys probably sneer at large state schools as much as you sneer at public high schools, this shouldn't be a problem, no?

grow up and don't be an a$$ in the midst of a reasonable discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Private school college counseling offices do NOT heavily edit essays, although they offer advice. I assume private school families are more likely to hire essay coaches, but I also think that private schools tend to focus more on writing overall and produce better writers.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe SLACs still love private school kids.
Perhaps state universities don’t take into account the private school transcripts and higher quality essays and teacher recommendations but SLACs spend more time reading applications. I would be thrilled to have my kid go to a school like Bowdoin, Grinnell, Colby, Hamilton, etc.

LOL. Read, "essays that have been heavily edited by the school's college counseling office or consultants." Admissions officers at SLACs and everywhere else know this happens at private schools.

Also, why would teacher recommendations have a heavier weight coming from private than public?

Please. At one big 3 the college counseling starts in 10th grade. Even if it's not true, admissions officers will suspect the essays and application package have been heavily massaged.