Athletes have such an edge

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Anonymous wrote:"My kid wakes up at 4:00AM!"
"My kid wakes up at 5:00AM!!"

Cool. Well, the world needs baristas.

I don’t think athletes should get this much preferential treatment but I also think having a teenager who wakes up at 4:00 am on a consistent basis to do a sport is very impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:I get this for D1 but I was really surprised while touring places like artsy/cerebral Wesleyan and they spent significant time talking up sports and luring high school athletes.

Our tour guide at Wes downplayed sports compared to other SLACs we toured this year.

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

And you get that, as med and law schools don't look at sports for admission.

They do consider it in an applicant though. If you ace the LSAT, and had top grades, plus played a varsity sport in college, and maybe also were the captain, that added time commitment and leadership on top of academic success does stand out to a law school as law requires excellent time management and leadership.

Thanks anyway but I want one that honed their time management skills with academic work and internships , not time on the field or in the pool or whatever.

That’s great the world need worker bees too.

Aww, you're cute. In the real world, our kids will employ your jocks.

Historically incorrect. That is why colleges literally fly people around the US looking for athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.

This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.

Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.

I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.

That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?

People have called them dumb, jocks, don’t fit in… so yes since these are all negative judgements, it shows a “hate”.

And near-immedately, a nasty sports parent retorted with HARR HARR THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE NERDZ THINK OF THEM ANYWAY and another even dumber one "LOL"ed their post.

So you were saying?

I agree that is hateful. So you agree that there is hate for athletes. Also, can you link to a thread specifically create to hate on "geeks"? There is a "athletes suck" post every 2-3 months.

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The athlete haters in this thread are really focused on admissions to T30 schools. Nobody is complaining their kid can’t get into U Tenn because of the football team. The population of kids that are targeted here is a tiny tiny fraction of all applicants. The athletes that are lucky enough to be admitted for the top schools are really the best of the best. Not only are the tremendous athletes (vetted through competition) but they are incredibly bright (academically strong with less hours studying). They have very tangible traits (leadership, perseverance, competitiveness, passion, time management) that you can’t discern from a kid with 1600 SAT. The athletes are an easy pick for an AO.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.

This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.

Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.

I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.

That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?

People have called them dumb, jocks, don’t fit in… so yes since these are all negative judgements, it shows a “hate”.

And near-immedately, a nasty sports parent retorted with HARR HARR THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE NERDZ THINK OF THEM ANYWAY and another even dumber one "LOL"ed their post.

So you were saying?

I agree that is hateful. So you agree that there is hate for athletes. Also, can you link to a thread specifically create to hate on "geeks"? There is a "athletes suck" post every 2-3 months.

No one is hating on these kids. The issue is that these are institutions of higher education, not higher foot ball or higher hockey or higher volleyball. Nothing wrong with being a good athlete but why it makes sense to prioritize that talent over other gifts when giving out higher education spots is a legitimate discussion. Why does not other county in the world do this?

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Other countries have even more inequity than US. You wouldn’t want that. The US higher education is the envy of the world. There are many factors that drive this including sports.

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Aww, you're cute. In the real world, our kids will employ your jocks.

Awww, you’re cute. In the real world, your kids will be visiting my recruited Ivy athlete and now doctor for medical advice. Sorry (not) for ruining your narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:Other countries have even more inequity than US. You wouldn’t want that. The US higher education is the envy of the world. There are many factors that drive this including sports.

I think this youth sports industrial complex creates inequity. Been at it for years. There are virtually ZERO low income families present in our particular sport. I don't know why the college tolerate that they have a huge hand in creating this huge industry which actually does the opposite of leveling the playing field.

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Anonymous wrote:Other countries have even more inequity than US. You wouldn’t want that. The US higher education is the envy of the world. There are many factors that drive this including sports.

I think this youth sports industrial complex creates inequity. Been at it for years. There are virtually ZERO low income families present in our particular sport. I don't know why the college tolerate that they have a huge hand in creating this huge industry which actually does the opposite of leveling the playing field.

What about all the kids from broken families where the single parent has to work two jobs and was always too tired to read books to their kids. Where is their level playing field? They have no chance against the DCUM kids whose parents throw money into tutors and SAT prep and private schools. Should your kid not be admitted because the kid from the broken home didn’t have a fair chance? Most people focus on who is ahead but you should take a pause and look around and be grateful.

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Anonymous wrote:Other countries have even more inequity than US. You wouldn’t want that. The US higher education is the envy of the world. There are many factors that drive this including sports.

I think this youth sports industrial complex creates inequity. Been at it for years. There are virtually ZERO low income families present in our particular sport. I don't know why the college tolerate that they have a huge hand in creating this huge industry which actually does the opposite of leveling the playing field.

Lol creates inequity? You mean like college? College is all about inequity.

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Anonymous wrote:Other countries have even more inequity than US. You wouldn’t want that. The US higher education is the envy of the world. There are many factors that drive this including sports.

I think this youth sports industrial complex creates inequity. Been at it for years. There are virtually ZERO low income families present in our particular sport. I don't know why the college tolerate that they have a huge hand in creating this huge industry which actually does the opposite of leveling the playing field.

There are several sports that are heavily recruited and scholarship rich where the opposite is true. Have your kid play safety for a top rated high school team and see how that goes

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Anonymous wrote:Other countries have even more inequity than US. You wouldn’t want that. The US higher education is the envy of the world. There are many factors that drive this including sports.

I think this youth sports industrial complex creates inequity. Been at it for years. There are virtually ZERO low income families present in our particular sport. I don't know why the college tolerate that they have a huge hand in creating this huge industry which actually does the opposite of leveling the playing field.

And that is different from academics how? It is bizarre how you think the inequitable playing field is terrible when it is in athletics but totally fine when it comes to historically redlined school districts, outside tutors, math enrichment, SAT and AP prep, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.

This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.

Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.

I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.

That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?

People have called them dumb, jocks, don’t fit in… so yes since these are all negative judgements, it shows a “hate”.

And near-immedately, a nasty sports parent retorted with HARR HARR THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE NERDZ THINK OF THEM ANYWAY and another even dumber one "LOL"ed their post.

So you were saying?

I agree that is hateful. So you agree that there is hate for athletes. Also, can you link to a thread specifically create to hate on "geeks"? There is a "athletes suck" post every 2-3 months.

No one is hating on these kids. The issue is that these are institutions of higher education, not higher foot ball or higher hockey or higher volleyball. Nothing wrong with being a good athlete but why it makes sense to prioritize that talent over other gifts when giving out higher education spots is a legitimate discussion. Why does not other county in the world do this?

Oh come on. Some of the posts in this thread (and others on DCUM) been outright hateful. I am not remotely athletic and I can see that clearly.

There are some bitter, hateful posters on this thread who clearly have issues that go far beyond college admissions. And they live in a weird resentful fantasy world. This entire thread started with OPs angry imagination too (her story is obviously untrue), and has drawn in people similar to OP who spend their time in a fugue state centered around athletic admissions. The actual facts surrounding athletic admissions don't warrant the seething unstable focus of some of these posters.

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The athlete haters on this thread need to start a new thread targeting URMs and first generation which is really what they are really threatened by. Would be fun to see how that goes over.