2023 Girls Recruiting

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Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong. For the right player, all these schools will take a lower SAT score than "semi decent 1350 on the SAT" that you note.

No the ivies don’t. They aren’t allowed. Stop spreading a myth.

^ This is wrong from personnel experience. Preferred to be sure.

The myth seems to be that the coaches at high academic schools are focused on high academics when recruiting players....

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Ivies interested in your kid will ask to see her transcript before 9/1. If it is not all As (or close to it) with a challenging course load they will pass on her (unless she is at the very top of their list, a top 50 player, where they may be able to use a specific exemption). Even then she still has to show that she is academically competitive. Coaches do not want to put a commit in a situation where it will be an uphill climb getting through the admissions process. That only puts the player at risk of not being accepted in the middle of their senior year. It also drops a coach’s commit admissions percentage which is something they take seriously (and is a good q to ask during the recruitment process). No ivy coach will guarantee acceptance when a player commits, and a player only puts herself at risk if she commits to a school that is out of her reach.

Ivy coaches will also ask if she’s taken the SAT or ACT. It’s not a deal breaker if she hasn’t taken it by 9/1. But it certainly helps if she has and hit a decent score (1250 or higher that puts her in the ballpark where she can take it several more times over the next 1.5 years to get it at / close / above the 1350 number). If the score is below 1300 they will ask her to take it again and again until she can get it close to 1350.

Ivy coaches don’t want to put their commits in danger of being rejected. They want the admissions process to be as easy as possible for their recruits to avoid that possibility. That’s why they look for kids who have good grades and good scores (and can show promise that they can increase those scores over time.)

I’m a NY parent (recently learned of this forum and just read the crazy YJ posts in another thread). I’m telling you all of this from current personal experience. Not sure what policies of the past may have been.

But the bottom line is that grades and test scores most certainly do matter for the ivies.




If the SAT

NY/YJ parent seems to be relaying their experience, and there does not seem to be disagreement that "grades and scores do not matter", but other parents have clearly had other experiences, and those experiences have included players not having to get "1350" on the SAT to play for a top academic school. 1350 is exceptional as it represents the 90th percentile for SAT scores, but the point seems to be that some players are recruited/accepted with SAT scores lower than 1350. Maybe they are one of the coaches "exceptions" or maybe they have a difficult course load and grades, but don't test well enough to achieve the "1350"

So, NY/YJ parent, to tell people they have "no clue what they are talking about" is pretty ironic considering you seem to be criticizing the tone of this forum by referencing "crazy YJ posts from another thread"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong. For the right player, all these schools will take a lower SAT score than "semi decent 1350 on the SAT" that you note.

No the ivies don’t. They aren’t allowed. Stop spreading a myth.

^ This is wrong from personnel experience. Preferred to be sure.

The myth seems to be that the coaches at high academic schools are focused on high academics when recruiting players....

Great post.

As someone who have been through this with Ivies and high academic schools, i'd add the following

- College care about weighted class rank more than GPA. They realize that grade inflation is more rampant at some schools than others so this is way to even it out. Generally, they want to see top 5% if at a public school and top 10% if at a top private or charter school

- Quality of courseload and # of AP classes taken are probably the most important thing. This will greatly hurt you if you don't go to a top high school which offers lots of AP classes. Sucks, but it is what it is.

- If you have already taken some AP tests before junior year, you will be asked about those. My son was greatly helped by having 3 5s on AP tests which offset a slightly lower SAT score than he would have liked.

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Ivies interested in your kid will ask to see her transcript before 9/1. If it is not all As (or close to it) with a challenging course load they will pass on her (unless she is at the very top of their list, a top 50 player, where they may be able to use a specific exemption). Even then she still has to show that she is academically competitive. Coaches do not want to put a commit in a situation where it will be an uphill climb getting through the admissions process. That only puts the player at risk of not being accepted in the middle of their senior year. It also drops a coach’s commit admissions percentage which is something they take seriously (and is a good q to ask during the recruitment process). No ivy coach will guarantee acceptance when a player commits, and a player only puts herself at risk if she commits to a school that is out of her reach.

Ivy coaches will also ask if she’s taken the SAT or ACT. It’s not a deal breaker if she hasn’t taken it by 9/1. But it certainly helps if she has and hit a decent score (1250 or higher that puts her in the ballpark where she can take it several more times over the next 1.5 years to get it at / close / above the 1350 number). If the score is below 1300 they will ask her to take it again and again until she can get it close to 1350.

Ivy coaches don’t want to put their commits in danger of being rejected. They want the admissions process to be as easy as possible for their recruits to avoid that possibility. That’s why they look for kids who have good grades and good scores (and can show promise that they can increase those scores over time.)

I’m a NY parent (recently learned of this forum and just read the crazy YJ posts in another thread). I’m telling you all of this from current personal experience. Not sure what policies of the past may have been.

But the bottom line is that grades and test scores most certainly do matter for the ivies.




If the SAT

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong. For the right player, all these schools will take a lower SAT score than "semi decent 1350 on the SAT" that you note.

No the ivies don’t. They aren’t allowed. Stop spreading a myth.

^ This is wrong from personnel experience. Preferred to be sure.

The myth seems to be that the coaches at high academic schools are focused on high academics when recruiting players....

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Ivies interested in your kid will ask to see her transcript before 9/1. If it is not all As (or close to it) with a challenging course load they will pass on her (unless she is at the very top of their list, a top 50 player, where they may be able to use a specific exemption). Even then she still has to show that she is academically competitive. Coaches do not want to put a commit in a situation where it will be an uphill climb getting through the admissions process. That only puts the player at risk of not being accepted in the middle of their senior year. It also drops a coach’s commit admissions percentage which is something they take seriously (and is a good q to ask during the recruitment process). No ivy coach will guarantee acceptance when a player commits, and a player only puts herself at risk if she commits to a school that is out of her reach.

Ivy coaches will also ask if she’s taken the SAT or ACT. It’s not a deal breaker if she hasn’t taken it by 9/1. But it certainly helps if she has and hit a decent score (1250 or higher that puts her in the ballpark where she can take it several more times over the next 1.5 years to get it at / close / above the 1350 number). If the score is below 1300 they will ask her to take it again and again until she can get it close to 1350.

Ivy coaches don’t want to put their commits in danger of being rejected. They want the admissions process to be as easy as possible for their recruits to avoid that possibility. That’s why they look for kids who have good grades and good scores (and can show promise that they can increase those scores over time.)

I’m a NY parent (recently learned of this forum and just read the crazy YJ posts in another thread). I’m telling you all of this from current personal experience. Not sure what policies of the past may have been.

But the bottom line is that grades and test scores most certainly do matter for the ivies.




If the SAT

NY/YJ parent seems to be relaying their experience, and there does not seem to be disagreement that "grades and scores do not matter", but other parents have clearly had other experiences, and those experiences have included players not having to get "1350" on the SAT to play for a top academic school. 1350 is exceptional as it represents the 90th percentile for SAT scores, but the point seems to be that some players are recruited/accepted with SAT scores lower than 1350. Maybe they are one of the coaches "exceptions" or maybe they have a difficult course load and grades, but don't test well enough to achieve the "1350"

So, NY/YJ parent, to tell people they have "no clue what they are talking about" is pretty ironic considering you seem to be criticizing the tone of this forum by referencing "crazy YJ posts from another thread"

Never said I was a YJ parent - false assumption #1. And anyone who's read the other thread would indeed agree that there are crazy YJ posts happening there. The entire exchange is crazy. You assumed (falsely, again) that I was taking YJ's side. I wasn't.

Those who've argued that grades and scores don't matter for the ivies have offered no additional perspective about their experience. I, OTOH, gave a detailed explanation from personal experience that I think / hope others will find quite helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong. For the right player, all these schools will take a lower SAT score than "semi decent 1350 on the SAT" that you note.

No the ivies don’t. They aren’t allowed. Stop spreading a myth.

^ This is wrong from personnel experience. Preferred to be sure.

The myth seems to be that the coaches at high academic schools are focused on high academics when recruiting players....

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Ivies interested in your kid will ask to see her transcript before 9/1. If it is not all As (or close to it) with a challenging course load they will pass on her (unless she is at the very top of their list, a top 50 player, where they may be able to use a specific exemption). Even then she still has to show that she is academically competitive. Coaches do not want to put a commit in a situation where it will be an uphill climb getting through the admissions process. That only puts the player at risk of not being accepted in the middle of their senior year. It also drops a coach’s commit admissions percentage which is something they take seriously (and is a good q to ask during the recruitment process). No ivy coach will guarantee acceptance when a player commits, and a player only puts herself at risk if she commits to a school that is out of her reach.

Ivy coaches will also ask if she’s taken the SAT or ACT. It’s not a deal breaker if she hasn’t taken it by 9/1. But it certainly helps if she has and hit a decent score (1250 or higher that puts her in the ballpark where she can take it several more times over the next 1.5 years to get it at / close / above the 1350 number). If the score is below 1300 they will ask her to take it again and again until she can get it close to 1350.

Ivy coaches don’t want to put their commits in danger of being rejected. They want the admissions process to be as easy as possible for their recruits to avoid that possibility. That’s why they look for kids who have good grades and good scores (and can show promise that they can increase those scores over time.)

I’m a NY parent (recently learned of this forum and just read the crazy YJ posts in another thread). I’m telling you all of this from current personal experience. Not sure what policies of the past may have been.

But the bottom line is that grades and test scores most certainly do matter for the ivies.




If the SAT

NY/YJ parent seems to be relaying their experience, and there does not seem to be disagreement that "grades and scores do not matter", but other parents have clearly had other experiences, and those experiences have included players not having to get "1350" on the SAT to play for a top academic school. 1350 is exceptional as it represents the 90th percentile for SAT scores, but the point seems to be that some players are recruited/accepted with SAT scores lower than 1350. Maybe they are one of the coaches "exceptions" or maybe they have a difficult course load and grades, but don't test well enough to achieve the "1350"

So, NY/YJ parent, to tell people they have "no clue what they are talking about" is pretty ironic considering you seem to be criticizing the tone of this forum by referencing "crazy YJ posts from another thread"

Never said I was a YJ parent - false assumption #1. And anyone who's read the other thread would indeed agree that there are crazy YJ posts happening there. The entire exchange is crazy. You assumed (falsely, again) that I was taking YJ's side. I wasn't.

Those who've argued that grades and scores don't matter for the ivies have offered no additional perspective about their experience. I, OTOH, gave a detailed explanation from personal experience that I think / hope others will find quite helpful.

it seems that others have shared their experience that recruits with scores lower than 1350 were accepted at high academic schools...what additional details are needed to be shared to make that point? from my experience, it seems that college coaches are now latching onto the "test optional" trend at high academic schools to assist their recruits.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong. For the right player, all these schools will take a lower SAT score than "semi decent 1350 on the SAT" that you note.

No the ivies don’t. They aren’t allowed. Stop spreading a myth.

^ This is wrong from personnel experience. Preferred to be sure.

The myth seems to be that the coaches at high academic schools are focused on high academics when recruiting players....

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Ivies interested in your kid will ask to see her transcript before 9/1. If it is not all As (or close to it) with a challenging course load they will pass on her (unless she is at the very top of their list, a top 50 player, where they may be able to use a specific exemption). Even then she still has to show that she is academically competitive. Coaches do not want to put a commit in a situation where it will be an uphill climb getting through the admissions process. That only puts the player at risk of not being accepted in the middle of their senior year. It also drops a coach’s commit admissions percentage which is something they take seriously (and is a good q to ask during the recruitment process). No ivy coach will guarantee acceptance when a player commits, and a player only puts herself at risk if she commits to a school that is out of her reach.

Ivy coaches will also ask if she’s taken the SAT or ACT. It’s not a deal breaker if she hasn’t taken it by 9/1. But it certainly helps if she has and hit a decent score (1250 or higher that puts her in the ballpark where she can take it several more times over the next 1.5 years to get it at / close / above the 1350 number). If the score is below 1300 they will ask her to take it again and again until she can get it close to 1350.

Ivy coaches don’t want to put their commits in danger of being rejected. They want the admissions process to be as easy as possible for their recruits to avoid that possibility. That’s why they look for kids who have good grades and good scores (and can show promise that they can increase those scores over time.)

I’m a NY parent (recently learned of this forum and just read the crazy YJ posts in another thread). I’m telling you all of this from current personal experience. Not sure what policies of the past may have been.

But the bottom line is that grades and test scores most certainly do matter for the ivies.




If the SAT

NY/YJ parent seems to be relaying their experience, and there does not seem to be disagreement that "grades and scores do not matter", but other parents have clearly had other experiences, and those experiences have included players not having to get "1350" on the SAT to play for a top academic school. 1350 is exceptional as it represents the 90th percentile for SAT scores, but the point seems to be that some players are recruited/accepted with SAT scores lower than 1350. Maybe they are one of the coaches "exceptions" or maybe they have a difficult course load and grades, but don't test well enough to achieve the "1350"

So, NY/YJ parent, to tell people they have "no clue what they are talking about" is pretty ironic considering you seem to be criticizing the tone of this forum by referencing "crazy YJ posts from another thread"

Never said I was a YJ parent - false assumption #1. And anyone who's read the other thread would indeed agree that there are crazy YJ posts happening there. The entire exchange is crazy. You assumed (falsely, again) that I was taking YJ's side. I wasn't.

Those who've argued that grades and scores don't matter for the ivies have offered no additional perspective about their experience. I, OTOH, gave a detailed explanation from personal experience that I think / hope others will find quite helpful.

Agree, very objective and helpful post...except for the "You have no clue what you are talking about" part.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Top Academic D1 means the Ivies, Stanford, Duke, and Hopkins. No way in hell those schools are going to let in a player who can’t get at least a semi-decent score (1350 minimum) on the SAT.

Sorry to break it to you, but you are wrong. For the right player, all these schools will take a lower SAT score than "semi decent 1350 on the SAT" that you note.

No the ivies don’t. They aren’t allowed. Stop spreading a myth.

^ This is wrong from personnel experience. Preferred to be sure.

The myth seems to be that the coaches at high academic schools are focused on high academics when recruiting players....

You have no clue what you’re talking about.

Ivies interested in your kid will ask to see her transcript before 9/1. If it is not all As (or close to it) with a challenging course load they will pass on her (unless she is at the very top of their list, a top 50 player, where they may be able to use a specific exemption). Even then she still has to show that she is academically competitive. Coaches do not want to put a commit in a situation where it will be an uphill climb getting through the admissions process. That only puts the player at risk of not being accepted in the middle of their senior year. It also drops a coach’s commit admissions percentage which is something they take seriously (and is a good q to ask during the recruitment process). No ivy coach will guarantee acceptance when a player commits, and a player only puts herself at risk if she commits to a school that is out of her reach.

Ivy coaches will also ask if she’s taken the SAT or ACT. It’s not a deal breaker if she hasn’t taken it by 9/1. But it certainly helps if she has and hit a decent score (1250 or higher that puts her in the ballpark where she can take it several more times over the next 1.5 years to get it at / close / above the 1350 number). If the score is below 1300 they will ask her to take it again and again until she can get it close to 1350.

Ivy coaches don’t want to put their commits in danger of being rejected. They want the admissions process to be as easy as possible for their recruits to avoid that possibility. That’s why they look for kids who have good grades and good scores (and can show promise that they can increase those scores over time.)

I’m a NY parent (recently learned of this forum and just read the crazy YJ posts in another thread). I’m telling you all of this from current personal experience. Not sure what policies of the past may have been.

But the bottom line is that grades and test scores most certainly do matter for the ivies.




If the SAT

NY/YJ parent seems to be relaying their experience, and there does not seem to be disagreement that "grades and scores do not matter", but other parents have clearly had other experiences, and those experiences have included players not having to get "1350" on the SAT to play for a top academic school. 1350 is exceptional as it represents the 90th percentile for SAT scores, but the point seems to be that some players are recruited/accepted with SAT scores lower than 1350. Maybe they are one of the coaches "exceptions" or maybe they have a difficult course load and grades, but don't test well enough to achieve the "1350"

So, NY/YJ parent, to tell people they have "no clue what they are talking about" is pretty ironic considering you seem to be criticizing the tone of this forum by referencing "crazy YJ posts from another thread"

Never said I was a YJ parent - false assumption #1. And anyone who's read the other thread would indeed agree that there are crazy YJ posts happening there. The entire exchange is crazy. You assumed (falsely, again) that I was taking YJ's side. I wasn't.

Those who've argued that grades and scores don't matter for the ivies have offered no additional perspective about their experience. I, OTOH, gave a detailed explanation from personal experience that I think / hope others will find quite helpful.

it seems that others have shared their experience that recruits with scores lower than 1350 were accepted at high academic schools...what additional details are needed to be shared to make that point? from my experience, it seems that college coaches are now latching onto the "test optional" trend at high academic schools to assist their recruits.

Never said ivy recruits wouldn't be accepted if they scored below 1350. I said that's the number ivy coaches want to make their job easier to get recruits through the admissions process. If the player scores lower than 1350, she assumes a greater risk of not getting in. And ivy coaches will want those players to keep testing to try and hit that number.

There is a risk calculus each player must accept when committing to an ivy if she doesn't have a pristine transcript, take challenging courses, or have the scores the coaches want.

Picking up on something ... you're saying "high academics" but not specifying ivies in your response. Are you referring to non ivy top 20s? I can only speak to, and have provided a detailed account of, our daughter's ivy recruiting process. They may be different.

But all this shouldn't matter if coaches are, as you say, "latching on to the 'test optional' trend." If that's true, coaches wouldn't require them at all, right?

If you believe that, I got a bridge for sale.

[Anonymous]

Do you even realize that you continue to disregard the experiences of others since they do not align with your experience in recruiting?

"You have no idea what you are talking about" comment

"I have a bridge for sale" comment in response to the existence of test optional in Ivy recruiting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you even realize that you continue to disregard the experiences of others since they do not align with your experience in recruiting?

"You have no idea what you are talking about" comment

"I have a bridge for sale" comment in response to the existence of test optional in Ivy recruiting

Predictably avoided all of the points raised. ... Based on the feedback of others here it seems most are finding what I'm offering here helpful. Everyone except you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you even realize that you continue to disregard the experiences of others since they do not align with your experience in recruiting?

"You have no idea what you are talking about" comment

"I have a bridge for sale" comment in response to the existence of test optional in Ivy recruiting

The PP is right though. Test optional doesn’t apply to Ivy recruits. If your kid can’t make the grade (or score) she ain’t goin to an Ivy.

[Anonymous]

Confused….

Isn’t it broadly known that Ivies used test optional during the 2022 recruiting process?

And, didn’t a PP just share that their recruit was considered as test optional? Maybe it was a 2022….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Confused….

Isn’t it broadly known that Ivies used test optional during the 2022 recruiting process?

And, didn’t a PP just share that their recruit was considered as test optional? Maybe it was a 2022….

You're not alone - we were confused by it too. It all depends on how you want to play it.

Ivies that went "test optional" no longer *require* players to take the SAT / ACT and submit their scores. But ivy coaches make it pretty clear they want each player to keep taking these tests until she hits a number that will put her in a strong position to be accepted (typically that's 1350 for the SATs).

Now a player can elect not to test, or choose not to submit a score she received (if it's not high enough), at a test-optional ivy. But if she does that, the school bases its evaluation solely on the player's transcript. To have a higher chance of acceptance, the transcript must be incredibly strong. Ivies want mostly / all "As" with a competitive course load. It also puts a burden on the athlete to maintain that record through senior year. "Bs" on a transcript take on greater weight and significance in this scenario. ...

But if she takes the test and gets close to (or hits) the score the coaches want, *and* she has a strong transcript, ivy admissions departments have more to evaluate. The higher the test score, the less weight a "B" on a transcript will have.

It's why ivy coaches at test optionals will often ask players to take them -- and keep taking it until they hit the desired number. They want their recruits to have the strongest application possible for reasons previously noted in this thread. High test scores help immensely in this regard.

So for the ivies, perhaps a better way to define "test optional" schools is to label them "test strongly encouraged" schools.

Hope this is helpful.

[Anonymous]

Very helpful.

[Anonymous]

Waiting on the NY parent and other test optional denier parent to respond with an accept/
reject of this PP’s experience…..

[Anonymous]

^^^^lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Waiting on the NY parent and other test optional denier parent to respond with an accept/
reject of this PP’s experience…..

The NY parent (me) authored the post above re: test optionals. And if you read everything I’ve written closely (you should be able to detect my style) you’ll see I’ve been entirely consistent. Other people have written that ivies are not test optional. A quick Google search shows that’s not true as a matter of *policy*. It’s the encouragement / expectation of these coaches to have their recruits test to make them stronger admission candidates that’s at issue. And that’s why, as I’ve explained, these ivy test-optionals aren’t really optional.

You seem to be the only one with an axe to grind here. You’ve offered nothing constructive to this discussion. Others have complimented me for providing detailed, helpful guidance (three by my count). Have a nice day.