Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Going back to Skyview on youtube now.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the elementary school changes, are those all off the table? I feel like Reid was holding back when she was responding. I’d imagine they could still make a few minor changes if that meant keeping a school within the same pyramid?

She held back the first time she mentioned it in her opening comments. One of the board members (Andersen I think) went back at her for clarification, and Reid clearly said then that ES changes were off the table in the next iteration of maps.

Reid clarified that ES boundary changes are off the table, but they will still address feeder issues dealing with the elementary schools.

Yes those were her words in the opening comments, but then when board members went back to clarify she seemed to correct herself in that ES changes were off the table in their entirety. Hoping I'm not wrong...

I believe you are. When I listened Reid was very clear that they were not going to make boundary changes to the elementary schools but that feeder changes were necessary. I didn't hear her go back and change that at any point. Please drop a link to the timestamp where you think that happened.

Agree. It would be idiotic to leave Oak Hill going to Franklin and then on to Skyview by themselves, and same if Crossfield stays at Oakton then it would be idiotic for them to stay at Carson instead of taking Oak Hill's place at Franklin. Every school put in the Skyview pyramid should go to Carson for middle school.

Reid's first comments were at roughly 22:12 ("however we do need to address the elementary feeder patter")
Her response to Andersen's question is at 24:00 which sounded like "yes, ES is on hold"
McElveen at 30:40 echoed what he heard that Reid said the changes will be limited to MS and HS

I just re-listened to this and Ricardy Anderson at 24:00 said, "the high school boundaries will continue... and the elementary work will be at a future date?" I understand the context of her question to be about the boundary work, as in they are saving the elementary boundary work for the next review. I don't believe they are talking about feeders here. Maybe I'm right, maybe you are, or maybe Anderson thinks like you and Reid like me and they are as confused as we are.

Yea honestly it's a bit confusing and I could see it needing to be clarified again (hoping Meren does in the afternoon go backs). Problem is I don't know how to interpret "boundary work" vs. "feeder work" in the context of the exchanges. You're either changing ES boundaries, which impact feeders, or you're not.

You can leave all the elementary boundaries (which addresses are in boundary for that ES) alone and still change the middle school boundaries (feeders) to include different ES.

Ok got it, if that's what they meant than I get it. Nobody's moving ES, but your ES might go to a new MS.

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Dixit just stated in her closing comments that her understanding is ES boundaries won't change, and she'll be relaying that update to her constituents.

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Anonymous wrote:Meren is reflecting on the heartache of community and thousands affected because of the roll out.

example: now they are dropping elementary boundaries which they should not have included in the first place.

Meren is such a drama queen. "I have further questions, but I will wait for now, <dramatic pause> because I am still recovering from the emotion from it all." She is nothing more than a wanna be tik-tok influencer born too late so she is trying it for the cameras and on Facebook.

Maybe but she is one of the few to challenge Reid. The majority just go along with whatever Reid wants.

I'm sure she's frustrated for consistently being one of only a handful that appear to do any preparatory work or enforce any sort of rigor in the SB process.
Meren and Dr. Anderson do research and come prepared with data and questions. Many of the others vote in a block, mostly to appease Reid rather than meet community needs.
Meren proposed an amendment to put a timeline in place for posting the meeting materials and topics in advance to support better communication and community engagement and her school board colleagues voted against it. If you haven't been watching, start paying attention. Much of this board is a disgrace and their constituents should demand better.

Seriously, the nerve of some of these SB members (except Meren) to walk in and admit they are ignorant to the going ons regarding Western is just another example of their incompetence. They didn’t even take the time to ask meaningful questions. Meren is right to ask…What is the cost for generating another scenario and continuing to delay? What information do these folks need that they don’t already have after a year long process. Seriously they need to get their shi* together or resign immediately.

I don’t want my School Board representative spending more time on Skyview than the schools in her own district.

Then they shouldn’t vote on it.

The superintendent’s staff ought to work with the School Board members representing the district(s) most affected to come up with something sensible others can support. What we don’t need is every member acting like it affects them equally because the process is so screwed up that they feel like they have to get involved to salvage FCPS’s reputation.

The Reps don’t want to lose students from their current schools, no one would move.

English and logic next time, please. The point of Skyview was to relieve overcrowding.

Yes, and most families want to stay at their school. Do you think the Westfield and Centreville families that are not happy with the boundaries redrawn have a Rep who is going to shrug and say that they have to move? If anything, the reps who don’t have schools in play should be more objective.

Ultimately, yes. They voted to acquire KAA and anyone with a brain could see that meant moving a lot of Westfield kids and a decent number of Chantilly kids into the new school, with Centreville in particular backfilling Westfield.

If they now vote against the obvious consequences of their own prior decisions they look like complete idiots. Better to step up and say they are doing their best to right-size the schools in western Fairfax, several of which have had ginormous enrollments at various times.

that's not really obvious to most people who don't rabidly follow the topic. I would have assumed way overcrowded Chantilly--much closer to Westfield than Centreville HS---would be backfilling Westfield. Centreville HS is 7 miles away.

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Anonymous wrote:Meren is reflecting on the heartache of community and thousands affected because of the roll out.

example: now they are dropping elementary boundaries which they should not have included in the first place.

Meren is such a drama queen. "I have further questions, but I will wait for now, <dramatic pause> because I am still recovering from the emotion from it all." She is nothing more than a wanna be tik-tok influencer born too late so she is trying it for the cameras and on Facebook.

Maybe but she is one of the few to challenge Reid. The majority just go along with whatever Reid wants.

I'm sure she's frustrated for consistently being one of only a handful that appear to do any preparatory work or enforce any sort of rigor in the SB process.
Meren and Dr. Anderson do research and come prepared with data and questions. Many of the others vote in a block, mostly to appease Reid rather than meet community needs.
Meren proposed an amendment to put a timeline in place for posting the meeting materials and topics in advance to support better communication and community engagement and her school board colleagues voted against it. If you haven't been watching, start paying attention. Much of this board is a disgrace and their constituents should demand better.

Seriously, the nerve of some of these SB members (except Meren) to walk in and admit they are ignorant to the going ons regarding Western is just another example of their incompetence. They didn’t even take the time to ask meaningful questions. Meren is right to ask…What is the cost for generating another scenario and continuing to delay? What information do these folks need that they don’t already have after a year long process. Seriously they need to get their shi* together or resign immediately.

I don’t want my School Board representative spending more time on Skyview than the schools in her own district.

Then they shouldn’t vote on it.

The superintendent’s staff ought to work with the School Board members representing the district(s) most affected to come up with something sensible others can support. What we don’t need is every member acting like it affects them equally because the process is so screwed up that they feel like they have to get involved to salvage FCPS’s reputation.

The Reps don’t want to lose students from their current schools, no one would move.

English and logic next time, please. The point of Skyview was to relieve overcrowding.

Yes, and most families want to stay at their school. Do you think the Westfield and Centreville families that are not happy with the boundaries redrawn have a Rep who is going to shrug and say that they have to move? If anything, the reps who don’t have schools in play should be more objective.

Ultimately, yes. They voted to acquire KAA and anyone with a brain could see that meant moving a lot of Westfield kids and a decent number of Chantilly kids into the new school, with Centreville in particular backfilling Westfield.

If they now vote against the obvious consequences of their own prior decisions they look like complete idiots. Better to step up and say they are doing their best to right-size the schools in western Fairfax, several of which have had ginormous enrollments at various times.

that's not really obvious to most people who don't rabidly follow the topic. I would have assumed way overcrowded Chantilly--much closer to Westfield than Centreville HS---would be backfilling Westfield. Centreville HS is 7 miles away.

Given: Chantilly is overcrowded and Westfield is at maximum with lots of new development.

1. Skyview will most likely be populated by Westfield students because they are close to Skyview and a very long way from Westfield. Many, many of the students live 8 miles away from Westfield and the closest Westfield students live 5 miles away--but right next to Skyview.
2. Chantilly's overcrowding should be resolved by the loss of Oak Hill Elem which will almost certainly go to Skyview--
it is, along with Floris, the closest to Skyview. Oak Hill is close to Chantilly--but much, much closer to Skyview.

None of the kids going to Skyview should ever have been at Westfield. It is five to eight miles away and a terrible commute. It is also about five miles away from any other Westfield neighborhood.

As for the backfill, that is a problem. Bull Run is not close to Westfield or Centreville. However, Bull Run's population is contiguous to Westfield population. The Westfield kids going to Skyview are not contiguous to any other Westfield neighborhood.

Meren is upset about this new school because it creates problems for her. Many in Fox Mill (if you use DCUM as a resource) very much want to be assigned to Skyview. It is very close to some and equidistant from South Lakes for others. It is not far from either school.
In 2008, Fox Mill was removed from Oakton. They begged for South Lakes to offer AP instead of IB. Meren would win lots of brownie points with them if she would get behind that. Parts of Floris were also sent to South Lakes and they also begged for AP.

If Fox Mill goes to Skyview, that is a problem for Meren. The other Board members may not support her, but usually the district rep has lots of clout.

Dixit has a problem because no matter what happens many of her constituents will be moved. I assume she lives in Centreville, but do not know if she is in Centreville or Westfield boundary.

The logical result for Skyview is Option A from the first maps. However, Oakton RIO is throwing a fit. They have no logical reason for protesting, only emotion.

This is mostly a problem for Dixit. She should look at this with logic and pick the easiest Centreville neighborhoods to move. She might also consider moving Lee's Corner to Rocky Run since she expressed concern about them--but some of Lee's Corner is next to Franklin. (Some of Oak Hill is also next to Franklin.)

If I were Dixit, I'd concentrate on the high schools and work through the others later.

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Anonymous wrote:Meren thinks the process is awful but has done little to talk to the families that want to move. We listened to one of her meetings and she said that the only parents she knew who were enthusiastic about Skyview where the parents of disabled kids. She has gone out of her way to avoid talking to Fox Mill ES in an open forum. She has asked questions at meetings that people attneding could answer after reading the FAQ page. She doesn't pay attention, regardless of what people here are saying. I have listened in to 3 meetings with her, attended one meeting in person, and follow her FB. She has had to retract 2 FB posts because she was giving out 100% incorrect information.

She wants Fox Mill and Floris to stay at SLHS. She doesn't have the courage to sit down with the people who want to move and explain why she thinks that the schools should stay at SLHS. That is probably because she can't say "We are petrified that the test scores are going to tank after we moved you into SLHS in 2008, when you didn't want to move, to improve test scores."

She most definitely is loud about the process being awful but that is about all that she has got going for her.

The invertebrate also Abstained on the KAA purchase. Yes or No would have required she offend some of her constituents, so she whinged about "process". And her monthly brag sheet says nothing about where she stands on the Skyview redistricting, just that Reid's running the show and the SB gets to yip about it.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:Meren is reflecting on the heartache of community and thousands affected because of the roll out.

example: now they are dropping elementary boundaries which they should not have included in the first place.

Meren is such a drama queen. "I have further questions, but I will wait for now, <dramatic pause> because I am still recovering from the emotion from it all." She is nothing more than a wanna be tik-tok influencer born too late so she is trying it for the cameras and on Facebook.

Maybe but she is one of the few to challenge Reid. The majority just go along with whatever Reid wants.

I'm sure she's frustrated for consistently being one of only a handful that appear to do any preparatory work or enforce any sort of rigor in the SB process.
Meren and Dr. Anderson do research and come prepared with data and questions. Many of the others vote in a block, mostly to appease Reid rather than meet community needs.
Meren proposed an amendment to put a timeline in place for posting the meeting materials and topics in advance to support better communication and community engagement and her school board colleagues voted against it. If you haven't been watching, start paying attention. Much of this board is a disgrace and their constituents should demand better.

Seriously, the nerve of some of these SB members (except Meren) to walk in and admit they are ignorant to the going ons regarding Western is just another example of their incompetence. They didn’t even take the time to ask meaningful questions. Meren is right to ask…What is the cost for generating another scenario and continuing to delay? What information do these folks need that they don’t already have after a year long process. Seriously they need to get their shi* together or resign immediately.

I don’t want my School Board representative spending more time on Skyview than the schools in her own district.

Then they shouldn’t vote on it.

The superintendent’s staff ought to work with the School Board members representing the district(s) most affected to come up with something sensible others can support. What we don’t need is every member acting like it affects them equally because the process is so screwed up that they feel like they have to get involved to salvage FCPS’s reputation.

The Reps don’t want to lose students from their current schools, no one would move.

English and logic next time, please. The point of Skyview was to relieve overcrowding.

Yes, and most families want to stay at their school. Do you think the Westfield and Centreville families that are not happy with the boundaries redrawn have a Rep who is going to shrug and say that they have to move? If anything, the reps who don’t have schools in play should be more objective.

Ultimately, yes. They voted to acquire KAA and anyone with a brain could see that meant moving a lot of Westfield kids and a decent number of Chantilly kids into the new school, with Centreville in particular backfilling Westfield.

If they now vote against the obvious consequences of their own prior decisions they look like complete idiots. Better to step up and say they are doing their best to right-size the schools in western Fairfax, several of which have had ginormous enrollments at various times.

that's not really obvious to most people who don't rabidly follow the topic. I would have assumed way overcrowded Chantilly--much closer to Westfield than Centreville HS---would be backfilling Westfield. Centreville HS is 7 miles away.

Agree. Its not reasonable to expect an average citizen to be more informed than Reid or the SB. She and most of them are ill informed and ill prepared.

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Anonymous wrote:Meren is reflecting on the heartache of community and thousands affected because of the roll out.

example: now they are dropping elementary boundaries which they should not have included in the first place.

Meren is such a drama queen. "I have further questions, but I will wait for now, <dramatic pause> because I am still recovering from the emotion from it all." She is nothing more than a wanna be tik-tok influencer born too late so she is trying it for the cameras and on Facebook.

Maybe but she is one of the few to challenge Reid. The majority just go along with whatever Reid wants.

I'm sure she's frustrated for consistently being one of only a handful that appear to do any preparatory work or enforce any sort of rigor in the SB process.
Meren and Dr. Anderson do research and come prepared with data and questions. Many of the others vote in a block, mostly to appease Reid rather than meet community needs.
Meren proposed an amendment to put a timeline in place for posting the meeting materials and topics in advance to support better communication and community engagement and her school board colleagues voted against it. If you haven't been watching, start paying attention. Much of this board is a disgrace and their constituents should demand better.

Seriously, the nerve of some of these SB members (except Meren) to walk in and admit they are ignorant to the going ons regarding Western is just another example of their incompetence. They didn’t even take the time to ask meaningful questions. Meren is right to ask…What is the cost for generating another scenario and continuing to delay? What information do these folks need that they don’t already have after a year long process. Seriously they need to get their shi* together or resign immediately.

I don’t want my School Board representative spending more time on Skyview than the schools in her own district.

Then they shouldn’t vote on it.

The superintendent’s staff ought to work with the School Board members representing the district(s) most affected to come up with something sensible others can support. What we don’t need is every member acting like it affects them equally because the process is so screwed up that they feel like they have to get involved to salvage FCPS’s reputation.

The Reps don’t want to lose students from their current schools, no one would move.

English and logic next time, please. The point of Skyview was to relieve overcrowding.

Yes, and most families want to stay at their school. Do you think the Westfield and Centreville families that are not happy with the boundaries redrawn have a Rep who is going to shrug and say that they have to move? If anything, the reps who don’t have schools in play should be more objective.

Ultimately, yes. They voted to acquire KAA and anyone with a brain could see that meant moving a lot of Westfield kids and a decent number of Chantilly kids into the new school, with Centreville in particular backfilling Westfield.

If they now vote against the obvious consequences of their own prior decisions they look like complete idiots. Better to step up and say they are doing their best to right-size the schools in western Fairfax, several of which have had ginormous enrollments at various times.

that's not really obvious to most people who don't rabidly follow the topic. I would have assumed way overcrowded Chantilly--much closer to Westfield than Centreville HS---would be backfilling Westfield. Centreville HS is 7 miles away.

Agree. Its not reasonable to expect an average citizen to be more informed than Reid or the SB. She and most of them are ill informed and ill prepared.

When there’s something that legitimately a big deal at issue, people pick up on it quickly and word spreads through the community. If some Centreville neighborhoods were late to start objecting and trying to get Lees Corner moved to Westfield instead, it’s because most of those in the know didn’t react negatively at first to the idea of moving part of Centreville to Westfield. They started complaining when it just seemed like the cool thing to do.

Now they are doing stupid stuff like starting petitions calling for FCPS to build Centreville out to 3000, which makes no sense given the capacity Skyview will open up at Westfield and the declining enrollment at Centreville over the past few years.

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You think people are complaining about
Moving high schools because it "seemed like the cool thing to do"? Wut.

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Yes. Only areas zoned for Chantilly or Oakton are allowed to have an opinion on re-zoning.

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It is unfair of Meren to keep FM at SL for no other reason than to prop up test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:It is unfair of Meren to keep FM at SL for no other reason than to prop up test scores.

Who will move into South Lakes? Was that in any scenario?

No one would need to move into Oakton if they took Crossfield out--and there is new construction coming.

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Anonymous wrote:It is unfair of Meren to keep FM at SL for no other reason than to prop up test scores.

Who will move into South Lakes? Was that in any scenario?

No one would need to move into Oakton if they took Crossfield out--and there is new construction coming.

This. Why isn’t anyone moving to SL??

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Anonymous wrote:It is unfair of Meren to keep FM at SL for no other reason than to prop up test scores.

Who will move into South Lakes? Was that in any scenario?

No one would need to move into Oakton if they took Crossfield out--and there is new construction coming.

This. Why isn’t anyone moving to SL??

So many neighborhoods go to Madison but are so close to South Lakes.

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Anonymous wrote:It is unfair of Meren to keep FM at SL for no other reason than to prop up test scores.

I think Meren may be outnumbered on this issue. It's clear Dixit runs the show. If Fox Mill parents want to leave SL, email Dixit.