Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question for all the wint/Wallace co conspirators theorists: wouldn't the police be able to see (via phone records) if they've communicated at all within the last few months or even within a year? I feel like these guys weren't smart enough to keep their entire association on the DL

Agree. They would have and cops would know already. That said, knowing each other isn't enough for an arrest warrant, etc. If the cops suspect they are connected or know each other, they'd spend time exploring that beyond the phone records.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks very much for posting the link to this:

Records show that Wallace’s father, a retired police officer in Maryland, lived at 5303 85th Ave, New Carrollton, MD between February 2004 and October 2009–when Jordan Wallace would have been 17 to 22 years old. Records also show that Daron Wint previously lived at 5301 85th ave in New Carrollton–immediately next door to the former Wallace residence.

I still would like to know exactly when Wint lived in 5301 85 Ave. If it at all overlaps Feb 2004 to Oct. 2009, it is just too much of a coincidence to ignore.

But if the dates overlapped, don't you think Thayer would have said so?
Instead, he gives the dates for Wallace's father, but does not give dates for Wint's addresses.
Again, there is ZERO evidence that Wallace and Wint know each other.

In the meantime, Wallace lived in Annapolis, worked at the go-kart track in Jessup for several years, and had no known connection to Wint or anyone like Wint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question for all the wint/Wallace co conspirators theorists: wouldn't the police be able to see (via phone records) if they've communicated at all within the last few months or even within a year? I feel like these guys weren't smart enough to keep their entire association on the DL

agree! Good point. I think they are building a case that will be solid and no mistakes. I think they know way more than we know. I think if Wallace or Wint's brother, others are involved I think they know or suspect or are watching to gather for more evidence to solidly nail these animals.

[Anonymous]

What tips would have have when hiring a trust worthy assistant.

[Anonymous]

We don't know Wint's address history but so far he also has 2 addresses in that complex.

I understand they may not have lived there concurrently but again- it is quite ordinary to visit your friends- yes kids make friends in their neighborhood- and meet Wint. Wint was a welder, Wallace publicly voiced welder- needs. There's a ton of possibilities. Too much to ignore. Not saying he's guilty, saying he's totally not off the hook.
This is so absolutely horrific and I can't imagine ANYONE committing these crimes- except maybe some Russian mafia movie or something. It's hard to believe anyone did it, but, they did.
For what it's worth, after I watched Wallace's racing video I liked him, could see why savvas would hire him/like him. It is only this mounting circumstantial, 'huh. Weird.' That makes me pause real long.

[jsteele]

Since Bruce Leshan is getting referenced so often, maybe some of you will accept his take on JW:

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/606588293346697216

Bruce Leshan
?@BruceLeshan
Here's my take. Assistant looked like good suspect in #Savopoulos murders BEFORE cops allegedly found Darron #Wint's DNA. Now, not. @wusa9

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:5313 85th ave #11
Lanham md

Wallace lived from at least 98-01. This apt overlooks and shares a small courtyard with Wint's current arresting document address of
5408 85th ave.
Wallace was age 11-14 but possibly grew up there. Records only date back to 98 I could find.
A few years later he has an address of the complex next door 5303 85th Ave
From 2004-2009.
All 3 addresses in direct succession, with Wint's and 1 of Wallace's literally looking at each other.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.955319,-76.86836,3a,75y,117.4h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAJPMzmzz6E9F3goptuqSoA!2e0?hl=en

Bottom left of the forefront building- Wallace's. To the left is Wint's.

Is the church where the auto was burned near this apartment complex??

Yes- extremely.
http://www.nate-thayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/porsch-torched.png

I believe his Google points of the apt addresses though do not accurately reflect where their actual units were. But you can see the overview of several complexes in a row all called like 'Carrollton gardens' or similar, and all looking the same.
I just can easily see the likelihood of Wallace growing up there, so having friends, comes back to visit/ party- meets Wint. It's just so plausible it's weird anyone is arguing it. It being plausibility.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist. But, given your logic, shouldn't we assume you are a racist until it is proven otherwise? We aren't a jury, but just people trying to figure out why an individual's behavior is being exaggerated and falsified.

*roaring applause*

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Since Bruce Leshan is getting referenced so often, maybe some of you will accept his take on JW:

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/606588293346697216

Bruce Leshan
?@BruceLeshan
Here's my take. Assistant looked like good suspect in #Savopoulos murders BEFORE cops allegedly found Darron #Wint's DNA. Now, not. @wusa9

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Since Bruce Leshan is getting referenced so often, maybe some of you will accept his take on JW:

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/606588293346697216

Bruce Leshan
?@BruceLeshan
Here's my take. Assistant looked like good suspect in #Savopoulos murders BEFORE cops allegedly found Darron #Wint's DNA. Now, not. @wusa9

Ok well, maybe Bruce should come read up on here- maybe he'd change his mind.
I thought the assistant innocent until recently, when all these things have surfaced. I'm not saying he's guilty I'm just saying it's possible and can't be ruled out by us the not-so-informed public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Since Bruce Leshan is getting referenced so often, maybe some of you will accept his take on JW:

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/606588293346697216

Bruce Leshan
?@BruceLeshan
Here's my take. Assistant looked like good suspect in #Savopoulos murders BEFORE cops allegedly found Darron #Wint's DNA. Now, not. @wusa9

Ok well, maybe Bruce should come read up on here- maybe he'd change his mind.
I thought the assistant innocent until recently, when all these things have surfaced. I'm not saying he's guilty I'm just saying it's possible and can't be ruled out by us the not-so-informed public.

Bruce keeps putting the tweets out but without proof of where he is getting the information from..it is not from warrants or court papers
Here is what I found from FoxDC on JW search of his BMW
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29243914/court-documents-police-vehicle-search-jordan-wallace

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question for all the wint/Wallace co conspirators theorists: wouldn't the police be able to see (via phone records) if they've communicated at all within the last few months or even within a year? I feel like these guys weren't smart enough to keep their entire association on the DL

That's the purpose of the cell phone and Wallace search warrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect v. person of interest v. innocent/cleared

JW has acted suspiciously, as noted above. It's probably too early to say "suspect." But he's definitely been a person of interest in this matter and, to my knowledge, not been cleared by authorities.

Usage of "Suspect" has been pretty loose by both the JW-is-guilty faction and JW-is-innocent faction here. No one knows if he is an actual suspect. His suspicious behavior and the 5/15 search warrant suggests law enforcement may consider him a suspect. Right now, however, Wint is the only suspect and JW is more appropriately considered a person of interest. He'll probably remain that way until new information from law enforcement leads to a change in status.

It's semantics, but perhaps we can all agree on this for now.

No we can't. Because the police have not declared him as a 'person of interest'.

Okay. I don't know that POI requires a formal designation, but let's think this through.

We know that police sought search warrants for three classes of people: victims, suspect, and whatever-you-think-JW-is. It's probably better to let the public draw it's conclusions from that. We can explore this more in this forum, though. Plainly, he's not in the victim class. If he's not a suspect or POI, then what is he? He certainly hasn't been cleared (not even for his lying) by authorities. Is he merely a witness? Possibly. But he's the only witness that we know that was the subject of two search warrants. I don't suspect they are doing that with all the witnesses, so he's not your average witness. Law enforcement needed the phone warrant because they needed information from third-parties (e.g., cell service provider). I hate to ask the question: But why would the police need a search warrant for his car? Couldn't they have just gotten his consent.

POI is more diplomatic. If that's bad, then perhaps can call him the "the-witness-who-possibly-withheld-consent-and-who-admitted-to-lying-to-authorities."

Or you could simply call him a witness just as the police have.

[Anonymous]

This current JW fixation on the forum reminds me of when EVERYONE was CERTAIN the surviving housekeeper was somehow involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:5313 85th ave #11
Lanham md

Wallace lived from at least 98-01. This apt overlooks and shares a small courtyard with Wint's current arresting document address of
5408 85th ave.
Wallace was age 11-14 but possibly grew up there. Records only date back to 98 I could find.
A few years later he has an address of the complex next door 5303 85th Ave
From 2004-2009.
All 3 addresses in direct succession, with Wint's and 1 of Wallace's literally looking at each other.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.955319,-76.86836,3a,75y,117.4h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAJPMzmzz6E9F3goptuqSoA!2e0?hl=en

Bottom left of the forefront building- Wallace's. To the left is Wint's.

Is the church where the auto was burned near this apartment complex??

Look at this view: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.9533148,-76.8709518,274m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en
You can see 85th Ave on the right. There is a large dirt construction site on the left. La Fontaine Catering is the location where the video of man with the bucket was shot.
Slide the map down a little and you will see St Christopher's Episcopal Church. The burning Porsche was found there.