Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

[Anonymous]

“That's Mr. Wallace's problem -- I mean, he clearly is connected and he's clearly connected in a hard-to-explain way and that's the problem he has,” said Roscoe Howard, a former U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/29173374/savopoulos-assistant

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3110390/Newly-unsealed-search-warrants-Washington-DC-murders-police-extended-scrutiny-slain-CEO-s-assistant-delivered-ransom-money.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree. Why does everybody keep saying JW is so young?

Can somebody post a link to when JW or his father lived in the apartment complex in question and when Wint or any of his close family members (mother, sister, ect.) lived there. I'm not sure if they were likely to have met in the complex or not.

http://www.nate-thayer.com/race-car-driver-linked-to-suspect-in-washington-savopoulos-murder-whodunit/
In this article, the coincidence of knowing each other may not be correct but the dates of residence are.

This 'linked blog' has no known veracity, btw. He's a disgruntled journalist.

Yes. The most revealing thing about the statements in this blog is that no legitimate news source has repeated any of it even as they all are desperate for anything new to report.

Actually, the address and residency information is easily confirmed at search sites on the internet. True, there are a lot of misstatements and assumptions in the author's narrative

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist. But, given your logic, shouldn't we assume you are a racist until it is proven otherwise? We aren't a jury, but just people trying to figure out why an individual's behavior is being exaggerated and falsified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist. But, given your logic, shouldn't we assume you are a racist until it is proven otherwise? We aren't a jury, but just people trying to figure out why an individual's behavior is being exaggerated and falsified.

Calm down please. This forum is for the exchange of information. Every contribution adds to the data base of information to be considered or not. Name calling is not constructive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect v. person of interest v. innocent/cleared

JW has acted suspiciously, as noted above. It's probably too early to say "suspect." But he's definitely been a person of interest in this matter and, to my knowledge, not been cleared by authorities.

Usage of "Suspect" has been pretty loose by both the JW-is-guilty faction and JW-is-innocent faction here. No one knows if he is an actual suspect. His suspicious behavior and the 5/15 search warrant suggests law enforcement may consider him a suspect. Right now, however, Wint is the only suspect and JW is more appropriately considered a person of interest. He'll probably remain that way until new information from law enforcement leads to a change in status.

It's semantics, but perhaps we can all agree on this for now.

No we can't. Because the police have not declared him as a 'person of interest'.

Okay. I don't know that POI requires a formal designation, but let's think this through.

We know that police sought search warrants for three classes of people: victims, suspect, and whatever-you-think-JW-is. It's probably better to let the public draw it's conclusions from that. We can explore this more in this forum, though. Plainly, he's not in the victim class. If he's not a suspect or POI, then what is he? He certainly hasn't been cleared (not even for his lying) by authorities. Is he merely a witness? Possibly. But he's the only witness that we know that was the subject of two search warrants. I don't suspect they are doing that with all the witnesses, so he's not your average witness. Law enforcement needed the phone warrant because they needed information from third-parties (e.g., cell service provider). I hate to ask the question: But why would the police need a search warrant for his car? Couldn't they have just gotten his consent.

POI is more diplomatic. If that's bad, then perhaps can call him the "the-witness-who-possibly-withheld-consent-and-who-admitted-to-lying-to-authorities."

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist. But, given your logic, shouldn't we assume you are a racist until it is proven otherwise? We aren't a jury, but just people trying to figure out why an individual's behavior is being exaggerated and falsified.

You could assume I am a racist, but then you would be wrong. I didn't post anything false or exaggerated about JW. And even if I had, there could be many reasons for doing so other than racism. No one said we should assume JW was involved until proven otherwise (to my knowledge). We are arguing that there is fact-based evidence that suggests he MIGHT be involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Suspect v. person of interest v. innocent/cleared

JW has acted suspiciously, as noted above. It's probably too early to say "suspect." But he's definitely been a person of interest in this matter and, to my knowledge, not been cleared by authorities.

Usage of "Suspect" has been pretty loose by both the JW-is-guilty faction and JW-is-innocent faction here. No one knows if he is an actual suspect. His suspicious behavior and the 5/15 search warrant suggests law enforcement may consider him a suspect. Right now, however, Wint is the only suspect and JW is more appropriately considered a person of interest. He'll probably remain that way until new information from law enforcement leads to a change in status.

It's semantics, but perhaps we can all agree on this for now.

No we can't. Because the police have not declared him as a 'person of interest'.

Okay. I don't know that POI requires a formal designation, but let's think this through.

We know that police sought search warrants for three classes of people: victims, suspect, and whatever-you-think-JW-is. It's probably better to let the public draw it's conclusions from that. We can explore this more in this forum, though. Plainly, he's not in the victim class. If he's not a suspect or POI, then what is he? He certainly hasn't been cleared (not even for his lying) by authorities. Is he merely a witness? Possibly. But he's the only witness that we know that was the subject of two search warrants. I don't suspect they are doing that with all the witnesses, so he's not your average witness. Law enforcement needed the phone warrant because they needed information from third-parties (e.g., cell service provider). I hate to ask the question: But why would the police need a search warrant for his car? Couldn't they have just gotten his consent.

POI is more diplomatic. If that's bad, then perhaps can call him the "the-witness-who-possibly-withheld-consent-and-who-admitted-to-lying-to-authorities."

The arrest warrant for Wint identified JW as a WITNESS not a POI

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree. Why does everybody keep saying JW is so young?

Can somebody post a link to when JW or his father lived in the apartment complex in question and when Wint or any of his close family members (mother, sister, ect.) lived there. I'm not sure if they were likely to have met in the complex or not.

http://www.nate-thayer.com/race-car-driver-linked-to-suspect-in-washington-savopoulos-murder-whodunit/
In this article, the coincidence of knowing each other may not be correct but the dates of residence are.

>>>> Jordan Wallace had Financial Problems before the Murders

But others who had met Wallace with the Savopoulos family said Wallace talked of his frustration of not having sufficient funding to jump-start his racing career in the days before the quadruple murder.
“You know, if you don’t have a family or money behind you, it can be really tough,” Wallace said in a 2014 video interview he posted on his Vimeo account.

“I remember him saying ‘The only reason I am not racing is lack of money,’” said a person who knew both the Savopoulos family and Jordan Wallace from the Go Kart racing world. “Jordan was definitely bitter about it.” That conversation took place in early May, only days before the murders.

“I am starting to look for sponsorship for this new year. 2014 is going to be big for me…I am working with Autobahn Indoor Speedway of course. I am working with Arkam Motors out west running the carts. I am with Mad Karts out east running the Karts. I am looking to work with bigger sponsors to help me on my way up into pro racing. So I have my eyes set on the prize and I am ready to go out and really do it,” said Wallace in a video on his racing website in late 2013. >>>>

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist. But, given your logic, shouldn't we assume you are a racist until it is proven otherwise? We aren't a jury, but just people trying to figure out why an individual's behavior is being exaggerated and falsified.

Calm down please. This forum is for the exchange of information. Every contribution adds to the data base of information to be considered or not. Name calling is not constructive.

You are apparently not aware, but I am the owner of this website. I am the one who decides whether or not someone should calm down. I have been trying, generally politely I think, to stop misrepresentations that unfairly portray an individual as something he is not. Of course, I have other means of preventing these misleading posts from being posted here and if I must resort to those, I will. But, I think a better course of action is for posters to simply give a higher priority to the accuracy of their posts rather than speculations they present.

[Anonymous]

Thanks very much for posting the link to this:

Records show that Wallace’s father, a retired police officer in Maryland, lived at 5303 85th Ave, New Carrollton, MD between February 2004 and October 2009–when Jordan Wallace would have been 17 to 22 years old. Records also show that Daron Wint previously lived at 5301 85th ave in New Carrollton–immediately next door to the former Wallace residence.

I still would like to know exactly when Wint lived in 5301 85 Ave. If it at all overlaps Feb 2004 to Oct. 2009, it is just too much of a coincidence to ignore.

[Anonymous]

5313 85th ave #11
Lanham md

Wallace lived from at least 98-01. This apt overlooks and shares a small courtyard with Wint's current arresting document address of
5408 85th ave.
Wallace was age 11-14 but possibly grew up there. Records only date back to 98 I could find.
A few years later he has an address of the complex next door 5303 85th Ave
From 2004-2009.
All 3 addresses in direct succession, with Wint's and 1 of Wallace's literally looking at each other.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.955319,-76.86836,3a,75y,117.4h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAJPMzmzz6E9F3goptuqSoA!2e0?hl=en

Bottom left of the forefront building- Wallace's. To the left is Wint's.

[Anonymous]

Question for all the wint/Wallace co conspirators theorists: wouldn't the police be able to see (via phone records) if they've communicated at all within the last few months or even within a year? I feel like these guys weren't smart enough to keep their entire association on the DL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:5313 85th ave #11
Lanham md

Wallace lived from at least 98-01. This apt overlooks and shares a small courtyard with Wint's current arresting document address of
5408 85th ave.
Wallace was age 11-14 but possibly grew up there. Records only date back to 98 I could find.
A few years later he has an address of the complex next door 5303 85th Ave
From 2004-2009.
All 3 addresses in direct succession, with Wint's and 1 of Wallace's literally looking at each other.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.955319,-76.86836,3a,75y,117.4h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sAJPMzmzz6E9F3goptuqSoA!2e0?hl=en

Bottom left of the forefront building- Wallace's. To the left is Wint's.

Is the church where the auto was burned near this apartment complex??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

Speaking for myself, I am mostly reacting to misinformation being used to paint JW as a suspect. It is odd that wrong, exaggerated, and misleading information is posted and then attempts to correct the record are either ignored or described as vigorous defenses. Moreover, you seem to have reversed the normal sequence of the US justice system in which people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Your post (and some earlier posts even more) seems to suggest that since JW hasn't been given a clean bill of health by authorities, he should be considered a suspect. I think it is premature and unfair to label individuals as suspects unless the authorities have described them that way.

Innocent until proven guilty applies to jurors in a criminal trial. We are not jurors. We are people just trying to figure out how this horrible tragedy could have happened in our community. Those who accuse anyone curious about JW's questionable behavior of being racist are just beyond absurd.

I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist. But, given your logic, shouldn't we assume you are a racist until it is proven otherwise? We aren't a jury, but just people trying to figure out why an individual's behavior is being exaggerated and falsified.

Calm down please. This forum is for the exchange of information. Every contribution adds to the data base of information to be considered or not. Name calling is not constructive.

But throwing around bizarre theories is? Then again I suppose speculation about witches leading up to the Salem witchhunts should have just been considered a "data base of information to be considered or not." FWIW I'm agnostic on the role of the assistant but I can tell irresponsible speculation based on a whim when I see it.