Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:How is that a dog whistle?

What is there about him that makes you think he is capable of being involved based on what we know so far? Gee, I wonder what could it be…I can't fathom your suspicion…

If I'm wrong, so be it. But everything this guy has done so far sounds completely innocent.

uhhhhh he was neighbors with Wint for a long time. They knew each other.
He lied to the police multiple times.
Multiple news sources are reporting (for example Leshan's Twitter and dailymail, amongst others) police are scrutinizing him extremely closely at this point.
Do you know something more than the police? Or perhaps it is more likely the police know more than you.
He complained about money- havea vs have nots- a lot, publicly and as gleaned from those hat knew him. He was bitter about money.
He was fired.
That 10 yr old kid had life on a silver platter
He may have been involved as far as stealing the money and splitting it, not knowing Wint would murder too. Or torture.
The list goes on. But for you or anyone but the police to assert this guy's innocence at this point seems wrong.

*sigh*
1. They were never neighbors. They lived at addresses near each other but never contemporaneously.

2. It has not been established that they knew each other. (Hey! I thought all black people knew each other!)

3. He lied about trivial things that were not to his advantage in any way.

4. Lots of people need money--but they don't get involved in things this gruesome.

I did not say he was innocent. I said based on what we know so far in actual facts and not made up things, he sounds innocent. Other facts may come out to prove me wrong but until then you will just keep saying he's "not the sort person you would hire", etc. And then act surprised when someone calls you on your bullshit.

Oh the racist card! Wallace isn't even black.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/06/police-target-chauffer-in-d-c-quadruple-mansion-murder-search-warrant-indicates-114508.html

Have you read the warrants and affidavits. He gave conflicting statements about whether his recently murdered employer contacted him on the evening of 5/13 or 5/14. If you are not familiar with forensic interviewing techniques and law enforcement investigators, it's basically cat nip. (Sorry to be so glib.)

Plainly, the conflicting statements and actual lies are material. Both objectively and, most importantly, to the police. So much so the police included it in the charging documents against Wint and in all the affidavits supporting the other warrants, etc. So material, the police impounded his car and took possession of his cell phone... immediately. Also, per the affidavit, he admitted he lied... Not misremembered, but actually lied. There's a difference. I have no idea if Wint and JW know each other. At this point, it doesn't really matter given all the other issues surrounding JW. Also, I have know idea of JW is involved. But, objectively speaking, there's something amiss with JW to put it very mildly. This isn't intuition, this is an evidence-based conclusion.

I was a little surprised with how many defensive people have been on behalf of JW since the Wint charging documents. Given what we know now, I"m dumbstruck.

Yes! + 1,000,000!!

Adding to this EVIDENCE, is the fact that you can see the apartments on google maps even- they were not 2 random apts within a sea of thousands, they were directly adjacent to each other.
What a damn coincidence!!

They did not live there at the same time. Wallace hasn't lived in that area since at least 2009. There is no evidence of any connection between Wallace and Wint.

heh-I told contemporaneously, but WHOOSH.
And you'll never convince them that all black people don't know each other or come in one particular shade of black.

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Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.

why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!

Bruce Leshan sounds like a real idiot. JW had texts and conversations with SS during the morning before he dropped off the cash and later when he was at Lowes. No doubt he was expecting SS to contact him with more instructions or to show up in Chantilly later that afternoon. When he hears that the house is on fire, and he tries to contact them and drives straight to the house, maybe it because he knows he left $40,000 sitting in a car in the garage.

And JW didn't think it was odd that he had to put the money inside a auto??? Didn't think it was odd his boss didn't take such a large sum of money via in person?? May the chips fall where they may.. as for Bruce Leshan there is nothing in the unsealed warrants that state what he is printing..so it is just "hear say" at this point..

He did what his boss told him to do without questioning it. He is young. He hasn't worked there long. He has not idea how unusual this is. If the AIW accountant and the BOA banker did not raise red flags, I can't see blaming Wallace for it.

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Anonymous wrote:How is that a dog whistle?

What is there about him that makes you think he is capable of being involved based on what we know so far? Gee, I wonder what could it be…I can't fathom your suspicion…

If I'm wrong, so be it. But everything this guy has done so far sounds completely innocent.

uhhhhh he was neighbors with Wint for a long time. They knew each other.
He lied to the police multiple times.
Multiple news sources are reporting (for example Leshan's Twitter and dailymail, amongst others) police are scrutinizing him extremely closely at this point.
Do you know something more than the police? Or perhaps it is more likely the police know more than you.
He complained about money- havea vs have nots- a lot, publicly and as gleaned from those hat knew him. He was bitter about money.
He was fired.
That 10 yr old kid had life on a silver platter
He may have been involved as far as stealing the money and splitting it, not knowing Wint would murder too. Or torture.
The list goes on. But for you or anyone but the police to assert this guy's innocence at this point seems wrong.

*sigh*
1. They were never neighbors. They lived at addresses near each other but never contemporaneously.

2. It has not been established that they knew each other. (Hey! I thought all black people knew each other!)

3. He lied about trivial things that were not to his advantage in any way.

4. Lots of people need money--but they don't get involved in things this gruesome.

I did not say he was innocent. I said based on what we know so far in actual facts and not made up things, he sounds innocent. Other facts may come out to prove me wrong but until then you will just keep saying he's "not the sort person you would hire", etc. And then act surprised when someone calls you on your bullshit.

Oh the racist card! Wallace isn't even black.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/06/police-target-chauffer-in-d-c-quadruple-mansion-murder-search-warrant-indicates-114508.html

Have you read the warrants and affidavits. He gave conflicting statements about whether his recently murdered employer contacted him on the evening of 5/13 or 5/14. If you are not familiar with forensic interviewing techniques and law enforcement investigators, it's basically cat nip. (Sorry to be so glib.)

Plainly, the conflicting statements and actual lies are material. Both objectively and, most importantly, to the police. So much so the police included it in the charging documents against Wint and in all the affidavits supporting the other warrants, etc. So material, the police impounded his car and took possession of his cell phone... immediately. Also, per the affidavit, he admitted he lied... Not misremembered, but actually lied. There's a difference. I have no idea if Wint and JW know each other. At this point, it doesn't really matter given all the other issues surrounding JW. Also, I have know idea of JW is involved. But, objectively speaking, there's something amiss with JW to put it very mildly. This isn't intuition, this is an evidence-based conclusion.

I was a little surprised with how many defensive people have been on behalf of JW since the Wint charging documents. Given what we know now, I"m dumbstruck.

PP here. Please excuse all the typos. Paragraph 8 of the search warrant for JW's car, JW "changed his account of the events regarding how he received the package, where he left the package, and when he was told to get the package." That all sounds very material.

Candidly, LE may be searching JW's car in order to corroborate his revised account. But the search warrant affidavit was dated 5/15. The affidavit in Wint's charging documents was dated 5/19. Notably, that affiant in the charging documents felt the conflicting stories and lies were still material. Thus, even after having four days with JW's car (and phone, I believe), LE still felt JW's conflicting accounts and lies material enough to include in the charging documents.

These are facts that suggest law enforcement was especially interested in JW's involvement in this crime early on and, most notably, before they even had identified Wint.

So, yes, if you are living in the past, then he is suspicious.

For those of us in the present, the fact that the police investigated him immediately and found nothing more after the initial lies about some details of the cash delivery, means he does not appear to be a suspect.

We know for a fact the police doubted his story. Why do you claim his status has changed? No new public information would lead anyone to conclude his status has changed. In fact, all new public information suggests otherwise. You may very well be right, but snarky straw men about to past v present do not lead one to conclude "he does not appear to be a suspect."

Also, why would you (JW) knowingly lie about something as innocuous as whether you received the cash in an envelope or a red bag? Not misremember, but lie. Again, there may be a legitimate reason for this, but it is a big red flag. We will know the answer over time, of course. But objectively speaking, JW thought that fact was significant enough to lie to law enforcement about It's really inexplicable, if you think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.

why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!

Bruce Leshan sounds like a real idiot. JW had texts and conversations with SS during the morning before he dropped off the cash and later when he was at Lowes. No doubt he was expecting SS to contact him with more instructions or to show up in Chantilly later that afternoon. When he hears that the house is on fire, and he tries to contact them and drives straight to the house, maybe it because he knows he left $40,000 sitting in a car in the garage.

And JW didn't think it was odd that he had to put the money inside a auto??? Didn't think it was odd his boss didn't take such a large sum of money via in person?? May the chips fall where they may.. as for Bruce Leshan there is nothing in the unsealed warrants that state what he is printing..so it is just "hear say" at this point..

He did what his boss told him to do without questioning it. He is young. He hasn't worked there long. He has not idea how unusual this is. If the AIW accountant and the BOA banker did not raise red flags, I can't see blaming Wallace for it.

He is not that young and a grown man..I doubt that the accountant or the bank manager knew that the money was left inside a car.. of course that is hear say..there are no witnesses to say how the money was received ..right just JW word on it There is no proof he put the money inside the auto correct???

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Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.

why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!

^^finally someone is asking the important questions

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Maybe he (Wallace) was trying to cover for the fact his boss probably kept that cash liquid at work in a safe because it suggested shady business practices. So, he made up some story about the bank. I can't explain why he lied about when he heard about it. But, there is plenty to suggest that SS was avoiding taxes (MD plates on his cars, probably written off as a work expense, the year in the Virgin Islands, the planned move to Puerto Rico). He may have thought he was helping out SS and his reputation. It just seems incredibly unlikely that JW would go after the person most likely able to help JW get ahead in car racing by bankrolling him.

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Link to where you say Jordan Wallace has been cleared?
Oh that's right, he hasn't been. Just like Daron Wint's brother hasn't been arrested but hasn't been cleared!

Their apartments were on the edges of the complex next to each other: relevant.
It is weird anyone would NOT think this at least a crazy coincidence. But to dismiss wholesale? What is wrong with you?
I am NOT saying he's guilty or involved I'm saying it all seems to add up to SUSPICIOUS.

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Why did he take a picture of $20k and not 40k? Weird.

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Defending JW so vigorously when this case is in such early stages is shocking. Please get over the "its because he's black and posters think all black people know other..." nonsense, its hostile. Most of us following this are here to share ideas and not judge each other. We want to help each other make sense of things and try to understand what and how this tragedy occurred. We don't have all the facts yet about JW, we do not. we can guess based on evidence as sensible pp points out. meanwhile he was fired from the racetrack and we don't know why as they're not telling media. We know he wasn't asked to resign, or demoted, but outright fired. this one fact shouldn't condemn him at all but facts like these are for LE, which we are not, and we are not privy to all the investigative details. We are hanging in there to understand and figure things out. unless pp so aggressively defending him knows him personally? really none of us wants anyone to be found guilty b/c we simply wish this hadn't happened! but it did! And someone(s) beyond Wint are responsible so we will carry on trying to sort this out based on the facts as we know them.

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Anonymous wrote:Link to where you say Jordan Wallace has been cleared?
Oh that's right, he hasn't been. Just like Daron Wint's brother hasn't been arrested but hasn't been cleared!

Their apartments were on the edges of the complex next to each other: relevant.
It is weird anyone would NOT think this at least a crazy coincidence. But to dismiss wholesale? What is wrong with you?
I am NOT saying he's guilty or involved I'm saying it all seems to add up to SUSPICIOUS.

What about them living there 5 years apart is unclear? I'm not following the case closely but it's been said 100 times that Wint lived there currently and Wallace not since 2009. Wint is also a lot older than Wallace so even if they had known each other all those years ago (if they even overlapped - how long has Wint lived there?) it's very unlikely they hung out.

I'm in the "why would JW bite the hand that fed him?" camp. He's just a silly kid caught in the middle. Wint is a career criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.

why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!

Bruce Leshan sounds like a real idiot. JW had texts and conversations with SS during the morning before he dropped off the cash and later when he was at Lowes. No doubt he was expecting SS to contact him with more instructions or to show up in Chantilly later that afternoon. When he hears that the house is on fire, and he tries to contact them and drives straight to the house, maybe it because he knows he left $40,000 sitting in a car in the garage.

And JW didn't think it was odd that he had to put the money inside a auto??? Didn't think it was odd his boss didn't take such a large sum of money via in person?? May the chips fall where they may.. as for Bruce Leshan there is nothing in the unsealed warrants that state what he is printing..so it is just "hear say" at this point..

He did what his boss told him to do without questioning it. He is young. He hasn't worked there long. He has not idea how unusual this is. If the AIW accountant and the BOA banker did not raise red flags, I can't see blaming Wallace for it.

He is not that young and a grown man..I doubt that the accountant or the bank manager knew that the money was left inside a car.. of course that is hear say..there are no witnesses to say how the money was received ..right just JW word on it There is no proof he put the money inside the auto correct???

We only have Wallace's word for it because at 10:26 a.m., the police records show, Wallace texted Savopoulos: “Package delivered.” We know that Wint was in possession of at least
$20,000 when he was arrested.

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I am in the, "if Wallace had something to do with this why would they have done it this way??" Wallace drove him. They could have stolen money much more easily without I cocking family members of Wallace had been a part of it (kidnapped him while Wallace was driving for example).

If Wallace is involved, they chose an I credo my risky, stupid and needlessly violent way to steal money.

[Anonymous]

28 yrs old isn't a "kid". 10 years old is.

Surprised that needs clarifying on a moms site.

[Anonymous]

More about Wallace:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-investigating-killings-seek-evidence-about-savopoulos-assistant/2015/06/04/1b9031d4-0adf-11e5-a7ad-b430fc1d3f5c_story.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Link to where you say Jordan Wallace has been cleared?
Oh that's right, he hasn't been. Just like Daron Wint's brother hasn't been arrested but hasn't been cleared!

Their apartments were on the edges of the complex next to each other: relevant.
It is weird anyone would NOT think this at least a crazy coincidence. But to dismiss wholesale? What is wrong with you?
I am NOT saying he's guilty or involved I'm saying it all seems to add up to SUSPICIOUS.

What about them living there 5 years apart is unclear? I'm not following the case closely but it's been said 100 times that Wint lived there currently and Wallace not since 2009. Wint is also a lot older than Wallace so even if they had known each other all those years ago (if they even overlapped - how long has Wint lived there?) it's very unlikely they hung out.

I'm in the "why would JW bite the hand that fed him?" camp. He's just a silly kid caught in the middle. Wint is a career criminal.

What about all the rest of the facts are unclear to you that you outright dismiss them? I'm not saying he's guilt I'm saying this is a mighty big coincidence to just brush off! Thank goodness you are not an investigator.
Look, again- they were only 4 yrs or so apart in age- that is not a big difference. 19, 24? 17, 21? That's the same age group that absolutely would perhaps cross paths. You just canNOT dismiss it and be so vehement that they never met. Unless you KNOW something personally.
Again, just because they may not have concurrently resided next to each other doesn't mean Wallace didn't have friends in the area/visited/he also stayed on the same street/they could have mutual friends/ list goes on with possibilities!
So strange you want to so quickly throw all that out. And then call anyone who questions the coincidences as racist, black-hating, can't telm blacks apart.
ease. Stop it.