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Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.
why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!


The "lying" could easily have been a mistake. I have never been questioned by the police after my employer and three others were killed and burned, but I imagine that I would not be at my best concerning recall.

The rest is perfectly understandable. Once he heard there was a fire at the house, why wouldn't he go there. Didn't the house keeper do the exact same thing?
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Anonymous wrote:Police target chauffeur in D.C. quadruple mansion murder, search warrant indicates

WASHINGTON (WJLA) – The unsealing of another search warrant in the quadruple homicide at a D.C. mansion indicates detectives are targeting one of homeowner Savvas Savopoulos' assistants and chauffeur, Jordan Wallace.
Police wanted to search 28-year-old Wallace's BMW. They found it just a block from the burning home where Savopoulos, his wife Amy, son Philip, and housekeeper Vera Figueroa were murdered.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/06/police-target-chauffer-in-d-c-quadruple-mansion-murder-search-warrant-indicates-114508.html


After three weeks..anyone think the BMW wasn't cleaned out??


teh warrents are old. just released publically now


Oh so his BMW was already searched..and the phone records were already in the hands of investigators?? ISP of computers and cell phones have records of every call and text message..and they can go back for months with the text messages word for word..Hey were is that big mouth lawyer Ficker now???
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Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how people can look at the jw info (I've read all of it) and be suspicious. If I am wrong on this, I'll never trust my crictial skills again. The guy is exactly what he is (I find him thoroughly trivial and dismissable - but I also find bags of money and fast, cool cars boring).


I'm torn really, I see both sides. The first being what you've posted but the other is the possibility that, and it could be, the crime was premeditated, they used the victims phones to communicate with each other, JW was creating an alibi for himself etc. I see both possibilities however, given the nature of the crime I think the police are taking a very thorough approach. The warrants are just being disclosed but the police already have the information. You'd have thought they would have arrested him by now if they had enough evidence. We know so little it's really hard to take a position.
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They did not live there at the same time. Wallace hasn't lived in that area since at least 2009. There is no evidence of any connection between Wallace and Wint.

Very aware, and don't think it matters. He lived there for a long time- and jumped around on the same street/neighborhood. they could easily have met at s party, through mutual friends, even after living there.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.
why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!


Bruce Leshan sounds like a real idiot. JW had texts and conversations with SS during the morning before he dropped off the cash and later when he was at Lowes. No doubt he was expecting SS to contact him with more instructions or to show up in Chantilly later that afternoon. When he hears that the house is on fire, and he tries to contact them and drives straight to the house, maybe it because he knows he left $40,000 sitting in a car in the garage.
Anonymous
Is there an explanation for the fact that JW's BMW was found a few blocks from the home? I just heard this. Did police talk to him at the scene and he went with the police?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Police target chauffeur in D.C. quadruple mansion murder, search warrant indicates

WASHINGTON (WJLA) – The unsealing of another search warrant in the quadruple homicide at a D.C. mansion indicates detectives are targeting one of homeowner Savvas Savopoulos' assistants and chauffeur, Jordan Wallace.
Police wanted to search 28-year-old Wallace's BMW. They found it just a block from the burning home where Savopoulos, his wife Amy, son Philip, and housekeeper Vera Figueroa were murdered.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/06/police-target-chauffer-in-d-c-quadruple-mansion-murder-search-warrant-indicates-114508.html


After three weeks..anyone think the BMW wasn't cleaned out??


The three-week delay was only in unsealing the warrants which were actually issued on 05/14. The car was impounded at the scene of the fire so Wallace had no access to it.
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Anonymous wrote:


They did not live there at the same time. Wallace hasn't lived in that area since at least 2009. There is no evidence of any connection between Wallace and Wint.

Very aware, and don't think it matters. He lived there for a long time- and jumped around on the same street/neighborhood. they could easily have met at s party, through mutual friends, even after living there.


They did not live there at the same time. How does that not matter?
They are not the same age and it does not appear that they would hang out with the same crowd.
And the police have investigated both of them and have found nothing linking them.

I have lived in the same apartment building for 13 years and I know no one in the apartment building across the street and one family in the apartment building next door.
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Anonymous wrote:How is that a dog whistle?


What is there about him that makes you think he is capable of being involved based on what we know so far? Gee, I wonder what could it be…I can't fathom your suspicion…

If I'm wrong, so be it. But everything this guy has done so far sounds completely innocent.
uhhhhh he was neighbors with Wint for a long time. They knew each other.
He lied to the police multiple times.
Multiple news sources are reporting (for example Leshan's Twitter and dailymail, amongst others) police are scrutinizing him extremely closely at this point.
Do you know something more than the police? Or perhaps it is more likely the police know more than you.
He complained about money- havea vs have nots- a lot, publicly and as gleaned from those hat knew him. He was bitter about money.
He was fired.
That 10 yr old kid had life on a silver platter
He may have been involved as far as stealing the money and splitting it, not knowing Wint would murder too. Or torture.
The list goes on. But for you or anyone but the police to assert this guy's innocence at this point seems wrong.


*sigh*
1. They were never neighbors. They lived at addresses near each other but never contemporaneously.

2. It has not been established that they knew each other. (Hey! I thought all black people knew each other!)

3. He lied about trivial things that were not to his advantage in any way.

4. Lots of people need money--but they don't get involved in things this gruesome.

I did not say he was innocent. I said based on what we know so far in actual facts and not made up things, he sounds innocent. Other facts may come out to prove me wrong but until then you will just keep saying he's "not the sort person you would hire", etc. And then act surprised when someone calls you on your bullshit.

Oh the racist card! Wallace isn't even black.




http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/06/police-target-chauffer-in-d-c-quadruple-mansion-murder-search-warrant-indicates-114508.html

Have you read the warrants and affidavits. He gave conflicting statements about whether his recently murdered employer contacted him on the evening of 5/13 or 5/14. If you are not familiar with forensic interviewing techniques and law enforcement investigators, it's basically cat nip. (Sorry to be so glib.)

Plainly, the conflicting statements and actual lies are material. Both objectively and, most importantly, to the police. So much so the police included it in the charging documents against Wint and in all the affidavits supporting the other warrants, etc. So material, the police impounded his car and took possession of his cell phone... immediately. Also, per the affidavit, he admitted he lied... Not misremembered, but actually lied. There's a difference. I have no idea if Wint and JW know each other. At this point, it doesn't really matter given all the other issues surrounding JW. Also, I have know idea of JW is involved. But, objectively speaking, there's something amiss with JW to put it very mildly. This isn't intuition, this is an evidence-based conclusion.

I was a little surprised with how many defensive people have been on behalf of JW since the Wint charging documents. Given what we know now, I"m dumbstruck.




PP here. Please excuse all the typos. Paragraph 8 of the search warrant for JW's car, JW "changed his account of the events regarding how he received the package, where he left the package, and when he was told to get the package." That all sounds very material.

Candidly, LE may be searching JW's car in order to corroborate his revised account. But the search warrant affidavit was dated 5/15. The affidavit in Wint's charging documents was dated 5/19. Notably, that affiant in the charging documents felt the conflicting stories and lies were still material. Thus, even after having four days with JW's car (and phone, I believe), LE still felt JW's conflicting accounts and lies material enough to include in the charging documents.

These are facts that suggest law enforcement was especially interested in JW's involvement in this crime early on and, most notably, before they even had identified Wint.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They did not live there at the same time. Wallace hasn't lived in that area since at least 2009. There is no evidence of any connection between Wallace and Wint.

Very aware, and don't think it matters. He lived there for a long time- and jumped around on the same street/neighborhood. they could easily have met at s party, through mutual friends, even after living there.


"Could have" being the operative phrase there. It's a stretch, though. A lot of people lived in those complexes, which are huge. Until there is more actual evidence that these two men ran with the same crowds or had overlapping interests or any connection other than residency in large apartment complexes many years ago and the deceased family, I'm not willing to accept the "neighbors and friends" theory.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is there an explanation for the fact that JW's BMW was found a few blocks from the home? I just heard this. Did police talk to him at the scene and he went with the police?


He drove to the house when he heard about the fire and could not reach SS or AS and he knew that he had left an envelope with $40K in cash in the garage at SS' request. He talked to the police, showed them his phone, and his car.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is there an explanation for the fact that JW's BMW was found a few blocks from the home? I just heard this. Did police talk to him at the scene and he went with the police?


It was not close to the home because he had just driven there from Chantilly when he was alerted to the fire by AIW employees. He could not park close to the home because streets were blocked off by police due the fire and crime scene activity.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Wallace was involved would he really have texted his girlfriend a photo of the money, basically communicating "wow look at what a high roller this guy is!"?

I wouldn't think so. I'll be really shocked if he was involved. The "lying" is most easily explained by being nervous and shocked when all of this first came out.
why is "lying" in quotations? He didn't "lie."
He LIED. Deliberately said one thing then said another, with full knowledge of being untruthful. Big difference! The cops made this sooo clear right from the get go.
They took his stuff immediately but are only unsealing this info now.
And what's with the "they FoUND his car a block away"? Whaaa? Why didn't he have his car? Weird.
Bruce Leshan is also finding it bizarre he drove straight to the Savapolous house from Va once he heard of the fire (why? That IS weird). And he texted both Amy and Savvas to rush home, their house was on fire. Fishy!


Bruce Leshan sounds like a real idiot. JW had texts and conversations with SS during the morning before he dropped off the cash and later when he was at Lowes. No doubt he was expecting SS to contact him with more instructions or to show up in Chantilly later that afternoon. When he hears that the house is on fire, and he tries to contact them and drives straight to the house, maybe it because he knows he left $40,000 sitting in a car in the garage.


And JW didn't think it was odd that he had to put the money inside a auto??? Didn't think it was odd his boss didn't take such a large sum of money via in person?? May the chips fall where they may.. as for Bruce Leshan there is nothing in the unsealed warrants that state what he is printing..so it is just "hear say" at this point..
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is that a dog whistle?


What is there about him that makes you think he is capable of being involved based on what we know so far? Gee, I wonder what could it be…I can't fathom your suspicion…

If I'm wrong, so be it. But everything this guy has done so far sounds completely innocent.
uhhhhh he was neighbors with Wint for a long time. They knew each other.
He lied to the police multiple times.
Multiple news sources are reporting (for example Leshan's Twitter and dailymail, amongst others) police are scrutinizing him extremely closely at this point.
Do you know something more than the police? Or perhaps it is more likely the police know more than you.
He complained about money- havea vs have nots- a lot, publicly and as gleaned from those hat knew him. He was bitter about money.
He was fired.
That 10 yr old kid had life on a silver platter
He may have been involved as far as stealing the money and splitting it, not knowing Wint would murder too. Or torture.
The list goes on. But for you or anyone but the police to assert this guy's innocence at this point seems wrong.


*sigh*
1. They were never neighbors. They lived at addresses near each other but never contemporaneously.

2. It has not been established that they knew each other. (Hey! I thought all black people knew each other!)

3. He lied about trivial things that were not to his advantage in any way.

4. Lots of people need money--but they don't get involved in things this gruesome.

I did not say he was innocent. I said based on what we know so far in actual facts and not made up things, he sounds innocent. Other facts may come out to prove me wrong but until then you will just keep saying he's "not the sort person you would hire", etc. And then act surprised when someone calls you on your bullshit.

Oh the racist card! Wallace isn't even black.




http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/06/police-target-chauffer-in-d-c-quadruple-mansion-murder-search-warrant-indicates-114508.html

Have you read the warrants and affidavits. He gave conflicting statements about whether his recently murdered employer contacted him on the evening of 5/13 or 5/14. If you are not familiar with forensic interviewing techniques and law enforcement investigators, it's basically cat nip. (Sorry to be so glib.)

Plainly, the conflicting statements and actual lies are material. Both objectively and, most importantly, to the police. So much so the police included it in the charging documents against Wint and in all the affidavits supporting the other warrants, etc. So material, the police impounded his car and took possession of his cell phone... immediately. Also, per the affidavit, he admitted he lied... Not misremembered, but actually lied. There's a difference. I have no idea if Wint and JW know each other. At this point, it doesn't really matter given all the other issues surrounding JW. Also, I have know idea of JW is involved. But, objectively speaking, there's something amiss with JW to put it very mildly. This isn't intuition, this is an evidence-based conclusion.

I was a little surprised with how many defensive people have been on behalf of JW since the Wint charging documents. Given what we know now, I"m dumbstruck.




PP here. Please excuse all the typos. Paragraph 8 of the search warrant for JW's car, JW "changed his account of the events regarding how he received the package, where he left the package, and when he was told to get the package." That all sounds very material.

Candidly, LE may be searching JW's car in order to corroborate his revised account. But the search warrant affidavit was dated 5/15. The affidavit in Wint's charging documents was dated 5/19. Notably, that affiant in the charging documents felt the conflicting stories and lies were still material. Thus, even after having four days with JW's car (and phone, I believe), LE still felt JW's conflicting accounts and lies material enough to include in the charging documents.

These are facts that suggest law enforcement was especially interested in JW's involvement in this crime early on and, most notably, before they even had identified Wint.




So, yes, if you are living in the past, then he is suspicious.

For those of us in the present, the fact that the police investigated him immediately and found nothing more after the initial lies about some details of the cash delivery, means he does not appear to be a suspect.
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Anonymous wrote:Every day I'm following this post and others to try to understand who, where, why, how this could happen. I mourn for the family and their community that benefitted so much from their presence. So I consider everyone involved and sadly, uselessly, how things could have turned out differently. One PP reminded us how many people were in contact with the family in the final hours to mins. NG was to have been at the martial arts studio helping with the opening right? As was JW? Were they at studio at same time and possibly when NG received the scary vm from SS? The one that got deleted and I couldn't bring myself to listen to but many posters did and then regretted what they heard. NG must have heard PS in background and I can't help but wonder why she didn't do more then to discover what was up w/ the family. Perhaps she has so many regrets now. Maybe she's passive by nature. If she was working at time with JW wouldn't she have gotten off phone and said, "wow what a strange call" and she and JW could have taken action... or not???? this is really bugging me. Or can someone confirm they wouldn't have been at the studio together that day.


The housekeeper did not listen to the voicemail till the AM of May 14 I think around 10am or so..from what I read on national news networks and local DC news networks..JW was not at the center with the housekeeper and SS..And she most likely would not have heard PS in the background since it was on a cell phone..or not know what she was hearing..CBS news had the voice mail but it was deleted where the background sounds were heard


I heard the voicemail when it was still available during an ABC news report. Partway through it, the sound of Philip or possibly one of the women sort of shrieking/struggling is clearly audible in the background. If we could hear it, the housekeeper surely would have heard it. However, hindsight is 20/20. We know it was something bad happening, so we can label the sound as struggling. Back then, the housekeeper probably thought it was a show on TV or Philip pitching a fit with his mom about something.


I think I heard this voicemail from the news b/c I remember hearing "something" in the background like a child screaming but did not pay attention to it as I was reading what was said and not focused on the background noise intently --thinking it was TV on just a child crying/ screaming in a "normal" way when a child is upset
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