What’s wrong with William & Mary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP I already noted this:

Regardless these are only a small portion of jobs. It's only an illustration of the top firms that recruit at UVA (and Ivies/top privates/top publics) but don't at W&M. As I said, plenty chance to get a great job. But some students specifically want these high prestige, high pay (and high work-hours and stress) jobs, and they have a better chance at getting them from UVA McIntire than W&M Mason, currently.

A-type, striving, ambitious kids that want these prestigious jobs, given two roughly equivalent universities and everything being equal, may choose UVA over W&M simply because the ceiling is higher (or ceiling has higher probability).

Type A people may want to be doctors, lawyers, academics, scientists, work in the foreign service or government, work for a startup or start their own businesses, or work in entertainment or marketing. Goldman Sachs is a very narrow view of goals (and a company with an utterly appalling role in the 2008 financial crisis).

[Anonymous]

Erm, type-A kids going into Wall Street and high finance is quintessential. And we are specifically talking about Finance majors at W&M and UVA, why would Finance majors go into medicine, foreign service, or law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Erm, type-A kids going into Wall Street and high finance is quintessential. And we are specifically talking about Finance majors at W&M and UVA, why would Finance majors go into medicine, foreign service, or law?

I'm talking about type A in general. They don't just do one thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP thats also the line that solidifies what's been said in this thread for the past 10 pages, that Williamsburg is a terrible town and you have to make your own 'fun'.

Another pathetic attempt by you to redefine the comment in question, which was probably aimed at you and your endless attempts to dictate how people should think:

"When we walk through Williamsburg, I noticed that it felt comfortable. What my daughter noticed was that most of the people she met were smart, hard working and funny. They did not need someone else defining fun for them."

How did I redefine the statement? It's exactly what I said.
The amenities and the town itself is terrible. Students make their own 'fun'. Sounds about the same as whats written by the other poster.

Amenities? No one under 65 uses that word anymore, boomer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP tech firms do recruit for business majors.
Although I think the post meant to say that top business firms recruit business majors at UVA while they don't recruit at all at W&M, and top tech companies recruit CS majors at UVA and VT but don't recruit at all at W&M.

A large part of it of course is that W&M is a small enough school that its not worth making the trip there for businesses to recruit vs. UVA or VT.

But that does not change the fact that the lack of top firm recruitment is a negative, especially for such a hard, rigorous and 'boring' school.
You work hard for 4 years and trade having fun for your future, then you at least want top-notch recruitment and placement for top jobs.

Again, unfair with no data. W&M's Mason business school ranks 14th in the country out of all business schools for 5 year ROI.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2020/02/17/poetsquants-top-value-business-schools/

W&M Mason ranks 21st nationally in the Poets and Quants undergraduate ranking. It ranked 9th in the "Employment" category of the ranking. Poets and Quants is really the site for BBAs and MBAs these days.

With a weird axe to grind.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2019/12/20/wharton-again-tops-pqs-best-undergraduate-b-schools-of-2020/4/

I'll be the first to give kudos to UVA for undergraduate business. They are #3 in Poets and Quants. At the undergraduate level, after Wharton, there isn't a clear #2 and UVA is right there with a select few schools. The thing you have to remember about both UVA and W&M business is you have to apply in your second year. They aren't direct admits, unlike a number of other schools.

No amount of rankings changes the fact that top business and tech firms don't recruit from W&M. Sure, the education might be top class. The recruiting and placement is not top class.

Well, the most read website on business education, Poets & Quants (founded by the former Executive Editor of Business Week who did their rankings) ranks W&M Mason 9th in the employment category based on surveys. And then there is you. . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for the feedback. We were trying to focus on the social aspect and fit that we had not looked into what type of companies W&M attract for business students. I have already heard from others that VT does offer a large network of alumni and top companies in the DC metro area that consistently hire graduates.

Honestly, you can get into any company from any school, it just depends on how hard you're willing to work. My DS went to W&M and works in finance now; he was on the phone with alumni and other contacts every week, networking and meeting people in person over school breaks. He prepared for interviews on weekends. It was like a full-time job for him. In contrast, his friends at UVA would usually send in a resume to those same companies through their school recruiting website. He said that UVA "definitely" had more, and better, opportunities available, but that not everyone took advantage of them (I'd say that this is true at every school, though).

You certainly don't need to put as much work into it as he did, but I definitely think that getting into McKinsey or Goldman is possible from W&M if that's genuinely your goal. A lot of students (DS included) make it their goal to get into those positions once they realize that they pay quite well and are "prestigious", and lose their prior career interests. So I do think that focusing on the social aspect over what career a school may potentially offer you based on recruiting trends at the time of application is the smarter move. Let your kid go where he'll be happiest within your budget.

It’s not that hard to get these firms to look at you from W&M. They do and will. They interview and offer jobs also. UVA is a great school and has a great B school but first you have to get into UVA, then the B school, then stand out among the very serious competition. It’s easier to be the top student at a smaller school. Those firms certainly DO consider non target schools and W&M graduates have a good reputation in the work force.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Erm, type-A kids going into Wall Street and high finance is quintessential. And we are specifically talking about Finance majors at W&M and UVA, why would Finance majors go into medicine, foreign service, or law?

I'm talking about type A in general. They don't just do one thing.

The conversation was about UVA McIntire vs. W&M Mason, both of which are undergraduate business schools, so the obvious context is type-A students interested in going into business, not medicine/law/foreign service

[Anonymous]

Heard there’s a lot of issues with classism recently. Beware if you aren’t an investment banker

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard there’s a lot of issues with classism recently. Beware if you aren’t an investment banker

Seeing as these are undergrads, pretty sure none of them are investment bankers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard there’s a lot of issues with classism recently. Beware if you aren’t an investment banker

You dug up a 4 year thread for this??