Don't fly United

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did we ever find out how this guy got "randomly" picked?

According to one report, prior to this guy being picked, a couple was "randomly" picked and had exited the plane - apparently without incidence.

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I saw somewhere when no one volunteered they did it by computer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are posts getting deleted? Why?

Maybe this thread is overbooked and United is randomly deleting posts.

[Anonymous]

Seems callous, but the very best way to intervene in this scenario, is to record and publicize the incident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems callous, but the very best way to intervene in this scenario, is to record and publicize the incident.

Exactly. This incident will demand limits to the airlines abuse of passengers. Just watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm very interested to know what algorithm they use. On a 70 seat plane, after you subtract the business class,frequent flyers, people who paid full price etc, there's probably not many people left in the "random drswing".

I think united and the police need to testify before congress on this.

United has been questioned re this several times and reports have claimed United refused to disclose the algorithm. I really want to know this. It isn't a random computer picking, there is a method/calculation and a computer picks from that.

Apparently all 4 people picked to deplane were Asians . Some computer algorithm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't United know these flight attendants were coming in? From what I read they commute via this flight regularly.

There is a staffing shortage and it was decided last minute that they were needed to work a flight out of Louisville the following morning.

Too bad they refused to offer the full $1350. for giving up your paid seat.

True. Let's say they did up it to $1350 and there were no takers. What should they do then?

Then they should transport their staff to Louisville by alternate means - another airline, bus, paid car.

Well if it is true that the United employees were commuters than IMO it's their own personal responsibility to find a way to Louisville. They have chosen to live somewhere outside of Louisville but be based out of Louisville. If they can't get a personal pass to fly because the flight is full, then On to plan B. The duty is on the employee to find a way to get to work. This entire situation is so ridiculous. It's like society has lost its mind. No one intervenes as they gawk and watch this 69 year old man be dragged and bloodied. The United employees don't think well maybe this isn't going well. And he commuters are perfectly find manhandling this gentleman just so they can get to work free. The most sane one is the poor man.

And he has been identified and he is a doctor, married to a doctor, who has 4 grown children who are also doctors. He is Vietnamese American. He lives about 30 minutes from Louisville and did in fact have patients to see on Monday. What's it going to take to get humanity back?

Oops. They picked the wrong guy. His settlement should be more than enough to send all his grandchildren to medical school. And then some.

This man is an American hero!

I hope this guy owns the crappy airline once this is over!

+1,000,000 - I love how this man stood up for the rest of us. I want to thank him for what he did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm very interested to know what algorithm they use. On a 70 seat plane, after you subtract the business class,frequent flyers, people who paid full price etc, there's probably not many people left in the "random drswing".

I think united and the police need to testify before congress on this.

United has been questioned re this several times and reports have claimed United refused to disclose the algorithm. I really want to know this. It isn't a random computer picking, there is a method/calculation and a computer picks from that.

Apparently all 4 people picked to deplane were Asians . Some computer algorithm.

What?!?!?!
Perhaps ALL four of them will get FAT settlements, if that's what happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm very interested to know what algorithm they use. On a 70 seat plane, after you subtract the business class,frequent flyers, people who paid full price etc, there's probably not many people left in the "random drswing".

I think united and the police need to testify before congress on this.

United has been questioned re this several times and reports have claimed United refused to disclose the algorithm. I really want to know this. It isn't a random computer picking, there is a method/calculation and a computer picks from that.

Apparently all 4 people picked to deplane were Asians . Some computer algorithm.

That's crazy. Can you post your source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm very interested to know what algorithm they use. On a 70 seat plane, after you subtract the business class,frequent flyers, people who paid full price etc, there's probably not many people left in the "random drswing".

I think united and the police need to testify before congress on this.

United has been questioned re this several times and reports have claimed United refused to disclose the algorithm. I really want to know this. It isn't a random computer picking, there is a method/calculation and a computer picks from that.

Apparently all 4 people picked to deplane were Asians . Some computer algorithm.

That better not be...

[Anonymous]

From a first person account of a fellow passenger (on reddit) This doc and his wife had originally volunteered to get off the plane, then they found out that United couldn't get them home later that day and the next flight wasn't for 24 hours so they said no.

The same first person account also said the manager who came on the plane said the four people chosen were the ones who had paid the least for their tickets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From a first person account of a fellow passenger (on reddit) This doc and his wife had originally volunteered to get off the plane, then they found out that United couldn't get them home later that day and the next flight wasn't for 24 hours so they said no.

The same first person account also said the manager who came on the plane said the four people chosen were the ones who had paid the least for their tickets.

by definition, that's not "random" then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From a first person account of a fellow passenger (on reddit) This doc and his wife had originally volunteered to get off the plane, then they found out that United couldn't get them home later that day and the next flight wasn't for 24 hours so they said no.

The same first person account also said the manager who came on the plane said the four people chosen were the ones who had paid the least for their tickets.

by definition, that's not "random" then.

Maybe it was random out of all the people who paid the lowest price the tickets had sold for. Likely means they booked far ahead!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't United know these flight attendants were coming in? From what I read they commute via this flight regularly.

There is a staffing shortage and it was decided last minute that they were needed to work a flight out of Louisville the following morning.

Too bad they refused to offer the full $1350. for giving up your paid seat.

True. Let's say they did up it to $1350 and there were no takers. What should they do then?

Then they should transport their staff to Louisville by alternate means - another airline, bus, paid car.

In this case, taht wouldn't work. No other flight options, and going by car means the crew would be too long on the road and not get enough sleep to be able to work the early morning flight out of Louisville that they were assigned to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From a first person account of a fellow passenger (on reddit) This doc and his wife had originally volunteered to get off the plane, then they found out that United couldn't get them home later that day and the next flight wasn't for 24 hours so they said no.

The same first person account also said the manager who came on the plane said the four people chosen were the ones who had paid the least for their tickets.

by definition, that's not "random" then.

Well, it isn't discriminatory at least based on race. The computer doesn't have a "only boot Asians" algorithm nor does it know the race of travelers.

The way it works is they look first at factors like if the passenger missing the flight means they'll miss their connection, since that becomes more of a mess and more costly. Then they eliminate underage travelers and the like. Then, they go by frequent flyer program membership and fare paid. The reason it looks at lowest fare paid is that the regulations limit compensation to a multiple of _fare paid_.

So yes, United is being cheap, but they are not discriminating based on race.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From a first person account of a fellow passenger (on reddit) This doc and his wife had originally volunteered to get off the plane, then they found out that United couldn't get them home later that day and the next flight wasn't for 24 hours so they said no.

The same first person account also said the manager who came on the plane said the four people chosen were the ones who had paid the least for their tickets.

by definition, that's not "random" then.

Well, it isn't discriminatory at least based on race. The computer doesn't have a "only boot Asians" algorithm nor does it know the race of travelers.

The way it works is they look first at factors like if the passenger missing the flight means they'll miss their connection, since that becomes more of a mess and more costly. Then they eliminate underage travelers and the like. Then, they go by frequent flyer program membership and fare paid. The reason it looks at lowest fare paid is that the regulations limit compensation to a multiple of _fare paid_.

So yes, United is being cheap, but they are not discriminating based on race.

If you believe United. I know I don't.