DC United Academy - aa strong academy or not

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Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

youre so silly. if the answers would help your argument, provide them. you're very transparent. and silly.

I don't have an argument to win.

Just pointing out the pitiful biased personal grudges and grievances against an organization (on a gossip forum) led by one crusader and hangers-on.
I understand the crusader dealing with hurt feelings because their kid was rejected, but the rest are even nuttier, especially since they have absolutely nothing to do with the organization in anyway shape or form and never will.

Happy Halloween Goblins 👺 🎃

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

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Anonymous wrote:And the staff/coach turnover there is extremely high. Leads to inconsistencies in the teams, poor organizational structures/communication and lack of cohesion amongst the coaching staff. People who are employed by the academy leave quickly for a reason (or many reasons). Some who have left were just not qualified or experienced enough to handle teams at this level others have left because DCU is just not a good organization to work in overall, especially the Academy. Probably a bit better on the first team side of the business where the money is getting spent.

Just noticed new faces on staff page

Yup. And to put this in perspective, there are 12 people listed on the academy staff at DCU. Philly union lists 32. Red bulls 22. Dallas 28. Most of the better academies have more than double the staff that DCU does. And, out of the 12 people listed at DCU, 8 of them are completely new to the academy THIS YEAR. That type of turnover is a major red flag on many fronts. Either they suck at recruiting people/can't pay them or when good people do enter, they leave fast. Or both of those things.

for contrast and comparison, what's staff turnover ratio at other MLS academies?

😂 Like clockwork, verifiable facts has to weigh in with absolutely nothing substantive to derail the thread. But to answer your question, not sure. I don't follow their turnover like I follow DCU's. But let's say it was the same rate of turnover across all of the MLS academies. This is the best case scenario for your argument. That just makes them all suspect in terms of staff turnover or it marks a systemic issue. If the issue is systemic across the MLS, then those top academies deserve even more credit because they are having much better success than DCU with the same rate of turnover. The bottom line is you can't ignore 70 percent turnover in one year with a staff of 12 no matter who else is having the same issue.

The argument and accusations being levied is that dcu academy is lesser than the other academies. It may be.
But for that argument to hold water, there has to be measurable objective comparison.

SO many comparisons have in fact been given. There are PAGES of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

youre so silly. if the answers would help your argument, provide them. you're very transparent. and silly.

I don't have an argument to win.

Just pointing out the pitiful biased personal grudges and grievances against an organization (on a gossip forum) led by one crusader and hangers-on.
I understand the crusader dealing with hurt feelings because their kid was rejected, but the rest are even nuttier, especially since they have absolutely nothing to do with the organization in anyway shape or form and never will.

Happy Halloween Goblins 👺 🎃

That's right. You don't have an argument that supports your position that DCU is quality. You don't have one because one does not in fact exist. No one has hurt feelings about their kids on this thread. There are just people on here that understand DCU better than you do. Accept that and you will feel better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

youre so silly. if the answers would help your argument, provide them. you're very transparent. and silly.

I don't have an argument to win.

Just pointing out the pitiful biased personal grudges and grievances against an organization (on a gossip forum) led by one crusader and hangers-on.
I understand the crusader dealing with hurt feelings because their kid was rejected, but the rest are even nuttier, especially since they have absolutely nothing to do with the organization in anyway shape or form and never will.

Happy Halloween Goblins 👺 🎃

That's right. You don't have an argument that supports your position that DCU is quality. You don't have one because one does not in fact exist. No one has hurt feelings about their kids on this thread. There are just people on here that understand DCU better than you do. Accept that and you will feel better.

Where did he state this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

youre so silly. if the answers would help your argument, provide them. you're very transparent. and silly.

I don't have an argument to win.

Just pointing out the pitiful biased personal grudges and grievances against an organization (on a gossip forum) led by one crusader and hangers-on.
I understand the crusader dealing with hurt feelings because their kid was rejected, but the rest are even nuttier, especially since they have absolutely nothing to do with the organization in anyway shape or form and never will.

Happy Halloween Goblins 👺 🎃

That's right. You don't have an argument that supports your position that DCU is quality. You don't have one because one does not in fact exist. No one has hurt feelings about their kids on this thread. There are just people on here that understand DCU better than you do. Accept that and you will feel better.

Where did he state this?

Next ..

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

Was already provided. Philly union, red bulls, Dallas, real salt lake, nycfc, inter Miami and more...

I can't find the numbers on the amount of real professionals they are churning out each year on the thread

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Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

Was already provided. Philly union, red bulls, Dallas, real salt lake, nycfc, inter Miami and more...

I can't find the numbers on the amount of real professionals they are churning out each year on the thread

Verified facts guy posting as a different poster. 🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

You haven't read the whole thread then. Just a few quick examples that were covered:

DCUA does not run a program for U14 and under. Other academies have programs starting @ U6. Development programs, pre-academy teams, etc.

DCUA does not have it's own facility let alone field. Does not provide residency/homestay and just recently started a full time program, but only for their U16 group.

DCUA does not compete overseas at all.

DCUA signs less kids to their 1st team despite having been around longer than younger academies.

These are points you can plainly see. Points that are not opinions but facts. I'm sure there's more that I missed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

Was already provided. Philly union, red bulls, Dallas, real salt lake, nycfc, inter Miami and more...

I can't find the numbers on the amount of real professionals they are churning out each year on the thread

Verified facts guy posting as a different poster. 🙄

...and still no numbers, just attack the so-called verified guy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

You haven't read the whole thread then. Just a few quick examples that were covered:

DCUA does not run a program for U14 and under. Other academies have programs starting @ U6. Development programs, pre-academy teams, etc.

DCUA does not have it's own facility let alone field. Does not provide residency/homestay and just recently started a full time program, but only for their U16 group.

DCUA does not compete overseas at all.

DCUA signs less kids to their 1st team despite having been around longer than younger academies.

These are points you can plainly see. Points that are not opinions but facts. I'm sure there's more that I missed.

You're naming nice to haves that are not used for rating academy success

In the real football world, academies are rated by
1. Number of professionals produced playing in top leagues
2. Revenue raised off selling or loaning academy players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

Was already provided. Philly union, red bulls, Dallas, real salt lake, nycfc, inter Miami and more...

I can't find the numbers on the amount of real professionals they are churning out each year on the thread

Verified facts guy posting as a different poster. 🙄

...and still no numbers, just attack the so-called verified guy

Hi verified facts guy! 👋

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can a team really be considered an academy if they don’t have a youth program? Poaching players in the DMV is development?

You're spot on. By the time they get to DC at 11, 12, 13 they're fully developed professionals under performance based contracts
Development starts at 5 and ends at 10

Of course they aren't and of course development doesn't stop at 10. But they have been playing the sport longer outside of DCU than they will play it in DCU. Which in turn gives DCU a very limited window to work with the player. Couple that with a weak academy philosophy and system and you have a recipe for development stagnation which is a huge problem that DCU has. Players aren't getting better at a rate that is faster than their peers in better systems.

What is the average age players are entering MLS academies who stay through U18?
What precisely is the dcu academy philosophy and system?
What details do you have of other academies philosophy and system so we can measure against?
How are you measuring "development stagnation" and the rate of speed objectively against others?

Based on the placement in college/professional ranks per academy player ratio numbers, what are the overall MLS academy levels and where does dcu stand?

What details to you have to support any of these questions and a positive DCU argument??

So let me get this straight.
You throw all kinds of personal conclusions about an entity and it's performance relative to others.

You however don't know the performance of the others and you want a member of the audience to provide the data for your presentation?

there are pages and pages of concrete examples in this thread of areas in which DCU Academy is behind its peers. just a few posts up is a quantitative measure of the size of the staffs. Before that, there are stats on the number of homegrown players, their treatment of players garnering interest abroad, their lack of comparable facilities, their failure to have younger age groups in the academy, and their historical lack of investment.

your attempts to cast doubt on these facts merely by floating unanswerable questions have failed. At this point you are wasting your time. It seems like you have a lot of time, for sure, but you may want to rethink how you spend it. And whatever your motivation, you're likely hurting your cause. I have found the discussion pretty interesting in that it has laid bare DCU Academy's many faults. Your constant questioning of these facts has just led the folks posting actual information to do it more, and more effectively.

and still no positive comparison for DCU against its fellow academies, by any metric.

Blah blah blah blah....
More words doesn't equate to a convincing argument.

Saying "concrete evidence" doesn't make people's strongly worded opinions and assumptions actual concrete evidence of anything.

The questions you refer to as "unanswerable" would give the anti-dcua people a resounding victory if they could answer them accurately and factually.

The reason they can't or won't answer them, is because the answers change the whining griping personal grievances mudslinging to a truth and facts discussion minus the biased emotions.

No one can say what the value of Homegrown Players are in the arena of top level professional football as an objective measurement of success for an organization.
What if New England decides to name many academy players as Homegrown in 2025, does that automatically mean NE is a top organization?

What you don't understand is that the argument has already been won. Many times. HERE IS A NEWS FLASH - YOU LOST. You can keep trying to deflect and misdirect but everyone who reads this thread for the rest of the time that it lives here will know that DCU is not a good academy. And the reasons for that conclusion are well stated and laid bare for all to see. You can think whatever you want and just live in denial. It really makes no difference. It's clear that you didn't know these things before and you're upset that people exposed something that you believed to be different. You bought into a lie. It's ok. You can still recover from it. At least you now know what's up. That is empowering.

I know you say facts guy lost, but as a neutral, I can't concur fully with that, because he asked several times for information on other academies that folks say are doing x,y,z better than dcu and no one can provide
My 2 cents

You haven't read the whole thread then. Just a few quick examples that were covered:

DCUA does not run a program for U14 and under. Other academies have programs starting @ U6. Development programs, pre-academy teams, etc.

DCUA does not have it's own facility let alone field. Does not provide residency/homestay and just recently started a full time program, but only for their U16 group.

DCUA does not compete overseas at all.

DCUA signs less kids to their 1st team despite having been around longer than younger academies.

These are points you can plainly see. Points that are not opinions but facts. I'm sure there's more that I missed.

You're naming nice to haves that are not used for rating academy success

In the real football world, academies are rated by
1. Number of professionals produced playing in top leagues
2. Revenue raised off selling or loaning academy players

Would love to see numbers for DCUA on those two.