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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

Was wondering what do DCUM lawyers think about the complaint:
https://www.kasowitz.com/media/focjlca0/university-of-pennsylvania-complaint.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

Adding to this: I agree that Magill handled all of this badly, and clearly her relationship with the trustees and with various other people at the university had deteriorated to the point that she couldn't continue. But I've been concerned in general with the claims that it's not SAFE to be Jewish at Penn, which don't seem to be grounded in reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

You can allege anything in a lawsuit. Given how the president of the university was attacked I do not believe the allegations in the lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

Maybe. But it is evidence of a university and a student population that has completely lost the plot. Imagine being a black student and being called a "dirty ni**er" on the way to class. Or being compelled to attend a KKK rally to get class credit. Or being told to go back to Africa. And having your path blocked by anti-black protesters.

Think that's little more than "unpleasant." And the fact that schools like Penn and Harvard find that acceptable "free speech" is appalling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

Adding to this: I agree that Magill handled all of this badly, and clearly her relationship with the trustees and with various other people at the university had deteriorated to the point that she couldn't continue. But I've been concerned in general with the claims that it's not SAFE to be Jewish at Penn, which don't seem to be grounded in reality.

There was an incident at a peer university where an international student was making a joke with friends on snapchat about "hanging out" and left a rope hanging on a tree. There were reams of articles and protests about how the campus environment was "unsafe", even though it is probably one of the safest places in the country for those students. Even though that international student probably had no idea about some of the potential loaded meaning of a hanging rope and inadvertently left it there, they still got kicked out of school for the rest of the semester in order to create a "safe" environment.

Is this the level of "safe" that we are working with?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What will happen to the students who do not care about Israel? We know the Palestinian and anyone criticizing Israel will be gone from Ivies.

How are they going to enforce this?

It’s so fascinating to watch the grief, fury, and paranoia of leftists when they realize the apparatus they built can be turned on them too. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

So anyone who does not care about Israel, is Palestinian or criticizes Israel is a leftist? Wow!

They do seem to be the ones moaning the loudest right now.

Only in your Fox News controlled mind. Wait till trump gets back in and pays back Netanyahu for his disloyalty. When you scream about trump being antisemitic and a lefty the police will show up and take you away. Trump surrounds himself with neo Nazis. You luck you will need it.

I’m a registered Democrat, though admittedly more of the classic liberal free speech kind, not the professional grievance kind.

Please keep posting. Your obvious insanity is funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What will happen to the students who do not care about Israel? We know the Palestinian and anyone criticizing Israel will be gone from Ivies.

How are they going to enforce this?

It’s so fascinating to watch the grief, fury, and paranoia of leftists when they realize the apparatus they built can be turned on them too. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

So anyone who does not care about Israel, is Palestinian or criticizes Israel is a leftist? Wow!

They do seem to be the ones moaning the loudest right now.

Only in your Fox News controlled mind. Wait till trump gets back in and pays back Netanyahu for his disloyalty. When you scream about trump being antisemitic and a lefty the police will show up and take you away. Trump surrounds himself with neo Nazis. You luck you will need it.

I’m a registered Democrat, though admittedly more of the classic liberal free speech kind, not the professional grievance kind.

Please keep posting. Your obvious insanity is funny.

Sure you are. Nothing says free speech like removing people from their jobs. Tell us what professors you are targeting next at UPenn and other places? I am sure someone who is so dedicated to free speech like you already has a list. Hey just remember how well the Jew do when right wing dictators take over. I am sure you will not be labeled a “leftists”. lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What will happen to the students who do not care about Israel? We know the Palestinian and anyone criticizing Israel will be gone from Ivies.

How are they going to enforce this?

It’s so fascinating to watch the grief, fury, and paranoia of leftists when they realize the apparatus they built can be turned on them too. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

So anyone who does not care about Israel, is Palestinian or criticizes Israel is a leftist? Wow!

They do seem to be the ones moaning the loudest right now.

Only in your Fox News controlled mind. Wait till trump gets back in and pays back Netanyahu for his disloyalty. When you scream about trump being antisemitic and a lefty the police will show up and take you away. Trump surrounds himself with neo Nazis. You luck you will need it.

I’m a registered Democrat, though admittedly more of the classic liberal free speech kind, not the professional grievance kind.

Please keep posting. Your obvious insanity is funny.

Sure you are. Nothing says free speech like removing people from their jobs. Tell us what professors you are targeting next at UPenn and other places? I am sure someone who is so dedicated to free speech like you already has a list. Hey just remember how well the Jew do when right wing dictators take over. I am sure you will not be labeled a “leftists”. lol

The drugs are kicking in hard, I see. Maybe put down the gummies for a bit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

Would you consider it unsafe for a Black student to be called “dirty N-word” on the way to class? What about a transwoman called “filthy pedophile”? Do you think it’s harassment for a gender studies professor to require trans students to listen to Congressional hearings featuring detransitioners? What about requiring them to hear a speech from Riley Gaines for class credit?

I myself come down on the side of allowing more and not less speech, but I’m finding that a lot of the people who are moaning about the president getting kicked out have absolutely no tolerance for speech they don’t want to hear. So I’m curious where your line is.

[Anonymous]

This is so true!

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-10/antisemitism-campus-speech-penn-president-liz-magill-resigns-harvard-mit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

Re write your statement with any other group. I will wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should Jewish students not have a safe campus environment and not be able to walk across campus without threats?

No one has really demonstrated that Jewish students on Penn's campus don't have a safe environment. (There was antisemitic vandalism at Hillel, but the police dealt with that.) I'm a Jewish Penn alum, but I don't consider the presence of pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campus to be evidence that it's not safe for Jews, even if they're shouting slogans I disagree with vehemently. It may be uncomfortable, but no one promised that kids at college would always be comfortable.

DP. Have you read the lawsuit filed against U Penn? There are claims of repeated harassment (being called “dirty Jew” on the way to class), professors requiring attendance at the literary festival to get class credit, a professor clapping along to shouts that of “go back to Brooklyn…or f*ing Berlin where you came from,” walkways to class blocked by demonstrations.

I haven't read the lawsuit, but honestly, while all of that sounds unpleasant, none of it sounds unsafe.

Would you consider it unsafe for a Black student to be called “dirty N-word” on the way to class? What about a transwoman called “filthy pedophile”? Do you think it’s harassment for a gender studies professor to require trans students to listen to Congressional hearings featuring detransitioners? What about requiring them to hear a speech from Riley Gaines for class credit?

I myself come down on the side of allowing more and not less speech, but I’m finding that a lot of the people who are moaning about the president getting kicked out have absolutely no tolerance for speech they don’t want to hear. So I’m curious where your line is.

I am all for freedom of speech. One of these university presidents should go to jail. However they should be voted out by the boards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so true!

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-12-10/antisemitism-campus-speech-penn-president-liz-magill-resigns-harvard-mit

I agree with this, but I also think students should be free to state that they do not believe transwomen are women, or that they believe affirmative action as implemented by the schools is racist and demeaning, or any other controversial statements that currently can get both staff and students hauled before the DEI disciplinary offices.

What is untenable is to unevenly enforce speech, which is what these schools are doing. You want a Jewish student to regularly hear “from the river to the sea, Palestine should be free”? Fine, but then transwomen (to pick a group) also get to hear protests to keep them out of single-sex spaces.

The issue here is the hypocrisy in enforcement. But I agree with the article in general.