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Anonymous wrote:Also, he had his therapist on speed dial but they claim no one could help
Meg when she was allegedly ready to kill herself? I find that very hard to believe.

There is something very precious about a grown man decked by his brother who reaches out for his therapist first. I mean what does he tell him/her? Waah Willy is meean can we have an emergency sesh?

And then he talks about the number of kills while he served and was proud. Most military personnel don’t give numerical information

Wow, that's harsh. He doesn't say he's proud. What I read noted that he had to disconnect and not see his "kills" as people, or he wouldn't have been able to do what he was ordered to do. Which is pretty similar to a lot of people in the military I think.

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Anonymous wrote:“Willy”;expected Meghan to curtsy to him the first time they met! His brother’s serious girlfriend in a casual, private venue (Harry’s kitchen).

How can you people defend him? He’s so gross.

She wanted to be a princess. That means that lots of people bow to her. And she curtseys to a few people.

True. If you accept the system (which I think needs to be abolished), you accept the system. That said, William sounds quite rigid.

FIGHT OVER WEDDING VENUES

Harry claims the royal household dragged its feet over the date and venue for his wedding with Meghan. He says that when he consulted his brother about the possibility of marrying in Westminster Abbey or St. Paul's Cathedral, William said he could not marry there because they had been venues for the weddings of Charles and Diana and of William and Kate respectively. Instead, William suggested a village chapel near Charles' home at Highgrove House in southwest England. Harry and Meghan finally got married at St George's Chapel, Windsor Castle, in May 2018.

He is not rigid, he was right. It would have been out of place to have Harry’s wedding at Westminster Abbey, too grand. Even the one he got at Windsor was too grand and expensive given what UK has been going through. Plus, are you telling me that the couple who said they did not want a big wedding and it was all a spectacle forced on them by the RF actually wanted a king sized wedding at Westminster Abbey?

Why? Princess Anne got married in Westminster Abbey and she wasn’t the second in line of succession-she was fourth because of her three brothers

+1 And Princess Beatrice also got married at Windsor Castle in the exact same year as Prince Harry. There's no rule that people get to keep their wedding venues exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not planning to read the book or buy the book. But, I certainly will give money to Meghan and Harry directly or through GoFundMe, if there is a way to do so.

I do not understand why a substandard human as Charles can become King, just because of his birth? THere is no need to have a monarchy in a democracy. If these jokers are wealthy on tax payer dime, then so can Harry and Meghan be. They lost their collective minds because of Meghan being half black.

Yes because that's exactly how one becomes a sovereign: through unadulterated moral perfection. Being born to the right parents has nothing to do with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, he had his therapist on speed dial but they claim no one could help
Meg when she was allegedly ready to kill herself? I find that very hard to believe.

There is something very precious about a grown man decked by his brother who reaches out for his therapist first. I mean what does he tell him/her? Waah Willy is meean can we have an emergency sesh?

And then he talks about the number of kills while he served and was proud. Most military personnel don’t give numerical information

Wow, that's harsh. He doesn't say he's proud. What I read noted that he had to disconnect and not see his "kills" as people, or he wouldn't have been able to do what he was ordered to do. Which is pretty similar to a lot of people in the military I think.

Let me clarify he was proud of his service, as he should be. Also he was a gunner so his job was to kill he was not a pilot.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Of course he didn't want to "change the birth order." God, I don't think he envies William in any way and barely tolerated his royal duties, given what happened to his mother. And after finding other things that gave him more happiness: his military service, his philanthropies, and now his wife/kids. He absolutely expected his brother and father to protect his family and they didn't, going as far to remove their security detail once they decided to step away. Were they entitled to pull it back? Sure. But it makes them look petty and vindictive, and left them open to security breaches. Jesus, Tyler Perry had to step in to help them when their own family couldn't be magnanimous enough to keep them safe. It's absolutely grotesque.

While there are not doubt different recollections on the two sides re: some of the details, I 100000% believe Harry and Meghan. There are plenty of examples of hideous behavior by the Royal family to know what they are saying is true. Good for them for stepping away. Protecting their family. And of not longer sitting back and being the punching bags and telling their side.

H&M could have stayed in England (even as non-working Royals) and lived at Frogmore House and had security. They chose to move to the US, out of the jurisdiction of the British government. If they didn’t think through the consequences of that, that’s on them. They said they wanted to be independent and make their own way (except for the titles, and the police protection, and the Royal family sticking up for them in the press…). Choices have consequences.

Well, they're making more money now than in Britain. So, yeah! You're right, choices have consequences .

Security alone was worth more than they have made by cashing in all their cards.

Yet at some point, had they stayed, their financial well-being, possibly where they lived, and legal custody of their children would have been in William’s hands. That’s reason enough for leaving while they still had multiple options for making money — and possibly better options for the well-being of their kids.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

Of course he didn't want to "change the birth order." God, I don't think he envies William in any way and barely tolerated his royal duties, given what happened to his mother. And after finding other things that gave him more happiness: his military service, his philanthropies, and now his wife/kids. He absolutely expected his brother and father to protect his family and they didn't, going as far to remove their security detail once they decided to step away. Were they entitled to pull it back? Sure. But it makes them look petty and vindictive, and left them open to security breaches. Jesus, Tyler Perry had to step in to help them when their own family couldn't be magnanimous enough to keep them safe. It's absolutely grotesque.

While there are not doubt different recollections on the two sides re: some of the details, I 100000% believe Harry and Meghan. There are plenty of examples of hideous behavior by the Royal family to know what they are saying is true. Good for them for stepping away. Protecting their family. And of not longer sitting back and being the punching bags and telling their side.

H&M could have stayed in England (even as non-working Royals) and lived at Frogmore House and had security. They chose to move to the US, out of the jurisdiction of the British government. If they didn’t think through the consequences of that, that’s on them. They said they wanted to be independent and make their own way (except for the titles, and the police protection, and the Royal family sticking up for them in the press…). Choices have consequences.

Well, they're making more money now than in Britain. So, yeah! You're right, choices have consequences .

Security alone was worth more than they have made by cashing in all their cards.

Yet at some point, had they stayed, their financial well-being, possibly where they lived, and legal custody of their children would have been in William’s hands. That’s reason enough for leaving while they still had multiple options for making money — and possibly better options for the well-being of their kids.

This nonsense was floated as a justification for Meghan to take Archie and run. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now.

Also, Beatrice and Eugenie may not have everything they desire but they are doing just fine. "Better option for the well-being of their kids"? Being raised as the idle rich in California is healthier for them than being raised in England among family? I suppose anything is possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Rooting for Harry!

Same! I’ve switched sides.

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Anonymous wrote:If my two boys turn out like these brothers in their adult relationship, I will consider myself a massive failure as a mother.

And what's with Harry calling his therapist because William hit him?

I'm dozens of pages behind but why is Harry calling his therapist after a fight but not calling his therapist when his wife is suicidal? Did no editor pick that up?

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I’ll definitely read this but wait for it to go on sale.

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For those who are appalled at how Harry is airing his “family’s” dirty laundry, this isn’t a family. At best this is a dysfunctional business that is desperate to hang into its position. While many of us would operate under different norms when it comes to our own families, those norms have never applied to the BRF.

We all know it’s ugly and unfair. But apparently no one wants to see it in print or hear it said out loud.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are appalled at how Harry is airing his “family’s” dirty laundry, this isn’t a family. At best this is a dysfunctional business that is desperate to hang into its position. While many of us would operate under different norms when it comes to our own families, those norms have never applied to the BRF.

We all know it’s ugly and unfair. But apparently no one wants to see it in print or hear it said out loud.

See, that's part of the charm of the royal family. It is a family, including family squabbles and family laundry. But still, family laundry doesn't need to be public.

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If the Guardian is quoting the fight passage accurately, then I call shenanigans. It’s a huge red flag when someone presents an incident as “I did absolutely nothing, I was on my best behavior, and then the other guy hit me out of NOWHERE!” Fights don’t happen like that. I’m sure Harry got in his jabs but now he’s leaving that out so he can be the sympathetic victim.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book

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Anonymous wrote:If my two boys turn out like these brothers in their adult relationship, I will consider myself a massive failure as a mother.

And what's with Harry calling his therapist because William hit him?

I'm dozens of pages behind but why is Harry calling his therapist after a fight but not calling his therapist when his wife is suicidal? Did no editor pick that up?

They absolutely should have hired someone to address the inconsistencies. Amateur hour!

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Anonymous wrote:For those who are appalled at how Harry is airing his “family’s” dirty laundry, this isn’t a family. At best this is a dysfunctional business that is desperate to hang into its position. While many of us would operate under different norms when it comes to our own families, those norms have never applied to the BRF.

We all know it’s ugly and unfair. But apparently no one wants to see it in print or hear it said out loud.

Yup. and Harry’s defense is that his family sold him out by airing negative stories about him (or in some cases outright falsehoods) to make higher ranking royals look better

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that he had to tone down the book following QEII's death--makes one think that he lacks foresight and maturity. When he was writing it, his grandmother was already 96. She could go at any moment and he was not preparing for that eventuality, hence the scramble about the draft after her death.

Why did he have to tone it down or alter it?