UMD College Park Results thread

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I’m the PP that mentioned aggregate/ county level and, yes, the limit how many students accepted by county. That is what I was trying to explain to the OP. UMD doesn’t want the incoming class to be primarily MoCo kids. Historical, UMD accepts about 50% of Blair kids and the majority are from the magnet and CAP. I do think there is a cap at the high school level if you look at data from Bethesda magazine. However, we don’t have data for upcounty schools to determine if this is universal for the county.

So again, confusing.. you say there is a cap on the county level for geographic diversity, but then at the end you also say there is a cap by school. So it's both?

If 100 kids at a magnet apply, but only 50 get in, even though the other 50 who didn't get in have better stats/ecs than those from non magnet, then this tells me that they are looking at it by program, and by HS.

So, the county is one big group, and then there are subgroups within the county, and magnet students being one of those groups.

Blair HS overall acceptance rate might be 50% but I would think that nearly everyone from the magnet program who applies gets in. I don’t think the high magnet acceptance rate disadvantages the regular Blair student. Blair sends a school profile to colleges. The magnet students have a different school profile from the regular school population. The magnet school profile lists median SATs (typically around 1530), GPA distribution and AP score distribution for just the magnet students.
So the magnet students are compared to their peers in the program.
Having said this I have not seen any evidence that UMD compares magnet students to each other and only accepts a certain number. Other schools might do this but UMD doesn’t, perhaps because they understand that magnet students come from a wide range of home high schools and all of them would be in the top tier of their high school. Again most magnet students apply to UMD, nearly all are accepted and ultimately around 40% of the program accepts a UMD spot

Actually, I don't think magnet sent a profile this year. Counselors highlighted "magnet" on the transcript, but I don't think they sent a separate profile. Ostrander sent a profile and letter out to everyone in the program so they can include it. At least that's our take. DD has been adding content from that pdf in tge additional notes section on the common app.

I wonder why they are no longer doing this. IMO the profile really helps an accomm to understand the level of rigor required by the program. It also helps the school evaluate the individual magnet student vis a vis their peers. Getting straight As in MCPS is easier than it used to be but a relatively small number of magnet students achieve this (relatively speaking). I think the magnet profile is very informative.

PP here. Agreed. I think the onus of including it this year was on the students. Ostrander sent pdfs for the profile and letter out. I think in previous years counselors sent it, but I'm pretty sure my kid checked, and the only thing the counselor did was highlight the "magnet" designation on the transcript. The pdfs came after EA cutoffs, but DD add info later, and UMF knows this program will, so not a big deal. We selected info from the profile to include on other apps in the "add'l info" section (or whatever it's called). I believe Ostrander advised this.

Sorry, UMD, not UMF

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I’m the PP that mentioned aggregate/ county level and, yes, the limit how many students accepted by county. That is what I was trying to explain to the OP. UMD doesn’t want the incoming class to be primarily MoCo kids. Historical, UMD accepts about 50% of Blair kids and the majority are from the magnet and CAP. I do think there is a cap at the high school level if you look at data from Bethesda magazine. However, we don’t have data for upcounty schools to determine if this is universal for the county.

So again, confusing.. you say there is a cap on the county level for geographic diversity, but then at the end you also say there is a cap by school. So it's both?

If 100 kids at a magnet apply, but only 50 get in, even though the other 50 who didn't get in have better stats/ecs than those from non magnet, then this tells me that they are looking at it by program, and by HS.

So, the county is one big group, and then there are subgroups within the county, and magnet students being one of those groups.

Blair HS overall acceptance rate might be 50% but I would think that nearly everyone from the magnet program who applies gets in. I don’t think the high magnet acceptance rate disadvantages the regular Blair student. Blair sends a school profile to colleges. The magnet students have a different school profile from the regular school population. The magnet school profile lists median SATs (typically around 1530), GPA distribution and AP score distribution for just the magnet students.
So the magnet students are compared to their peers in the program.
Having said this I have not seen any evidence that UMD compares magnet students to each other and only accepts a certain number. Other schools might do this but UMD doesn’t, perhaps because they understand that magnet students come from a wide range of home high schools and all of them would be in the top tier of their high school. Again most magnet students apply to UMD, nearly all are accepted and ultimately around 40% of the program accepts a UMD spot

Actually, I don't think magnet sent a profile this year. Counselors highlighted "magnet" on the transcript, but I don't think they sent a separate profile. Ostrander sent a profile and letter out to everyone in the program so they can include it. At least that's our take. DD has been adding content from that pdf in tge additional notes section on the common app.

Not everyone from CAP magnet gets in. I know a few who have been denied.

I have a senior in CAP and it is my understanding that the counselor sent a letter about CAP or included it in their letter

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Going to UMD even 10 years ago was considered a financial compromise for Montgomery County kids.

Impressive how far the school has come in the past 20 years academically, even if its ranking is still so-so.

This same story is playing out all across the country. I went to a B rated state univ out west, but now apparently, even that univ is harder to get into now. People I know who went to Cal or UCLA wouldn't be able to get in today with their stats.

There are just many many more kids who are applying to colleges now. IMO, bachelor degree is becoming almost useless now. A masters is what a bachelors degree was 30 years ago.

That's true and I'm not sure which university in the west you are referring to, but IMO UMD's case is a bit different.

UMD only became the state's flagship 30 years ago, and with that came a focus on increasing its research standing and academic reputation.

If you compare other schools like Washington, Wisconsin, etc., it's certainly true that those universities stats have gone up as well. However these were already well-regarded research universities while UMD was known for sports riots.

Today their acceptance rates are still over 50%, while UMD's has fallen to 40%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody know what is the lowest SAT to include with application before deciding to do test optional?

I don’t know but I’m seeing a lot of red in Naviance around the 1350-1380 range, when kids got in with 1250s just a few years ago. Did anyone here get accepted with below a submitted 1380?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going to UMD even 10 years ago was considered a financial compromise for Montgomery County kids.

Impressive how far the school has come in the past 20 years academically, even if its ranking is still so-so.

This same story is playing out all across the country. I went to a B rated state univ out west, but now apparently, even that univ is harder to get into now. People I know who went to Cal or UCLA wouldn't be able to get in today with their stats.

There are just many many more kids who are applying to colleges now. IMO, bachelor degree is becoming almost useless now. A masters is what a bachelors degree was 30 years ago.

That's true and I'm not sure which university in the west you are referring to, but IMO UMD's case is a bit different.

UMD only became the state's flagship 30 years ago, and with that came a focus on increasing its research standing and academic reputation.

If you compare other schools like Washington, Wisconsin, etc., it's certainly true that those universities stats have gone up as well. However these were already well-regarded research universities while UMD was known for sports riots.

Today their acceptance rates are still over 50%, while UMD's has fallen to 40%.

PP here from out west. I'm kind of old (50), and honestly, I didn't know much about UMD. But, maybe the CS dept becoming prestigious upped the caliber?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going to UMD even 10 years ago was considered a financial compromise for Montgomery County kids.

Impressive how far the school has come in the past 20 years academically, even if its ranking is still so-so.

This same story is playing out all across the country. I went to a B rated state univ out west, but now apparently, even that univ is harder to get into now. People I know who went to Cal or UCLA wouldn't be able to get in today with their stats.

There are just many many more kids who are applying to colleges now. IMO, bachelor degree is becoming almost useless now. A masters is what a bachelors degree was 30 years ago.

That's true and I'm not sure which university in the west you are referring to, but IMO UMD's case is a bit different.

UMD only became the state's flagship 30 years ago, and with that came a focus on increasing its research standing and academic reputation.

If you compare other schools like Washington, Wisconsin, etc., it's certainly true that those universities stats have gone up as well. However these were already well-regarded research universities while UMD was known for sports riots.

Today their acceptance rates are still over 50%, while UMD's has fallen to 40%.

PP here from out west. I'm kind of old (50), and honestly, I didn't know much about UMD. But, maybe the CS dept becoming prestigious upped the caliber?

The CS department was always prestigious, and probably more prestigious in the 90's than it is now.

However CS as a career has become much more prestigious and lucrative, and UMD has certainly cashed in on its strong CS department.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anybody know what is the lowest SAT to include with application before deciding to do test optional?

I don’t know but I’m seeing a lot of red in Naviance around the 1350-1380 range, when kids got in with 1250s just a few years ago. Did anyone here get accepted with below a submitted 1380?

DS had a 1060 but didn’t submit

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anybody know what is the lowest SAT to include with application before deciding to do test optional?

I don’t know but I’m seeing a lot of red in Naviance around the 1350-1380 range, when kids got in with 1250s just a few years ago. Did anyone here get accepted with below a submitted 1380?

DS had a 1060 but didn’t submit

And he got accepted?

[Anonymous]

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I’m the PP that mentioned aggregate/ county level and, yes, the limit how many students accepted by county. That is what I was trying to explain to the OP. UMD doesn’t want the incoming class to be primarily MoCo kids. Historical, UMD accepts about 50% of Blair kids and the majority are from the magnet and CAP. I do think there is a cap at the high school level if you look at data from Bethesda magazine. However, we don’t have data for upcounty schools to determine if this is universal for the county.

So again, confusing.. you say there is a cap on the county level for geographic diversity, but then at the end you also say there is a cap by school. So it's both?

If 100 kids at a magnet apply, but only 50 get in, even though the other 50 who didn't get in have better stats/ecs than those from non magnet, then this tells me that they are looking at it by program, and by HS.

So, the county is one big group, and then there are subgroups within the county, and magnet students being one of those groups.

Blair HS overall acceptance rate might be 50% but I would think that nearly everyone from the magnet program who applies gets in. I don’t think the high magnet acceptance rate disadvantages the regular Blair student. Blair sends a school profile to colleges. The magnet students have a different school profile from the regular school population. The magnet school profile lists median SATs (typically around 1530), GPA distribution and AP score distribution for just the magnet students.
So the magnet students are compared to their peers in the program.
Having said this I have not seen any evidence that UMD compares magnet students to each other and only accepts a certain number. Other schools might do this but UMD doesn’t, perhaps because they understand that magnet students come from a wide range of home high schools and all of them would be in the top tier of their high school. Again most magnet students apply to UMD, nearly all are accepted and ultimately around 40% of the program accepts a UMD spot

Actually, I don't think magnet sent a profile this year. Counselors highlighted "magnet" on the transcript, but I don't think they sent a separate profile. Ostrander sent a profile and letter out to everyone in the program so they can include it. At least that's our take. DD has been adding content from that pdf in tge additional notes section on the common app.

Not everyone from CAP magnet gets in. I know a few who have been denied.

Anyone know approximately what percentage of Blair CAP kids get accepted to UMCP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP that mentioned aggregate/ county level and, yes, the limit how many students accepted by county. That is what I was trying to explain to the OP. UMD doesn’t want the incoming class to be primarily MoCo kids. Historical, UMD accepts about 50% of Blair kids and the majority are from the magnet and CAP. I do think there is a cap at the high school level if you look at data from Bethesda magazine. However, we don’t have data for upcounty schools to determine if this is universal for the county.

So again, confusing.. you say there is a cap on the county level for geographic diversity, but then at the end you also say there is a cap by school. So it's both?

If 100 kids at a magnet apply, but only 50 get in, even though the other 50 who didn't get in have better stats/ecs than those from non magnet, then this tells me that they are looking at it by program, and by HS.

So, the county is one big group, and then there are subgroups within the county, and magnet students being one of those groups.

Blair HS overall acceptance rate might be 50% but I would think that nearly everyone from the magnet program who applies gets in. I don’t think the high magnet acceptance rate disadvantages the regular Blair student. Blair sends a school profile to colleges. The magnet students have a different school profile from the regular school population. The magnet school profile lists median SATs (typically around 1530), GPA distribution and AP score distribution for just the magnet students.
So the magnet students are compared to their peers in the program.
Having said this I have not seen any evidence that UMD compares magnet students to each other and only accepts a certain number. Other schools might do this but UMD doesn’t, perhaps because they understand that magnet students come from a wide range of home high schools and all of them would be in the top tier of their high school. Again most magnet students apply to UMD, nearly all are accepted and ultimately around 40% of the program accepts a UMD spot

Actually, I don't think magnet sent a profile this year. Counselors highlighted "magnet" on the transcript, but I don't think they sent a separate profile. Ostrander sent a profile and letter out to everyone in the program so they can include it. At least that's our take. DD has been adding content from that pdf in tge additional notes section on the common app.

Not everyone from CAP magnet gets in. I know a few who have been denied.

Anyone know approximately what percentage of Blair CAP kids get accepted to UMCP?

No. But if you look at Blair’s Naviance, it’s pretty clear what GPA and test scores are needed.

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I’m sure CAP is a great program, but as leg up for college admissions, I haven’t seen that much better of an outcome than students with the same stats from other DCC schools.

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Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP that mentioned aggregate/ county level and, yes, the limit how many students accepted by county. That is what I was trying to explain to the OP. UMD doesn’t want the incoming class to be primarily MoCo kids. Historical, UMD accepts about 50% of Blair kids and the majority are from the magnet and CAP. I do think there is a cap at the high school level if you look at data from Bethesda magazine. However, we don’t have data for upcounty schools to determine if this is universal for the county.

So again, confusing.. you say there is a cap on the county level for geographic diversity, but then at the end you also say there is a cap by school. So it's both?

If 100 kids at a magnet apply, but only 50 get in, even though the other 50 who didn't get in have better stats/ecs than those from non magnet, then this tells me that they are looking at it by program, and by HS.

So, the county is one big group, and then there are subgroups within the county, and magnet students being one of those groups.

Blair HS overall acceptance rate might be 50% but I would think that nearly everyone from the magnet program who applies gets in. I don’t think the high magnet acceptance rate disadvantages the regular Blair student. Blair sends a school profile to colleges. The magnet students have a different school profile from the regular school population. The magnet school profile lists median SATs (typically around 1530), GPA distribution and AP score distribution for just the magnet students.
So the magnet students are compared to their peers in the program.
Having said this I have not seen any evidence that UMD compares magnet students to each other and only accepts a certain number. Other schools might do this but UMD doesn’t, perhaps because they understand that magnet students come from a wide range of home high schools and all of them would be in the top tier of their high school. Again most magnet students apply to UMD, nearly all are accepted and ultimately around 40% of the program accepts a UMD spot

Actually, I don't think magnet sent a profile this year. Counselors highlighted "magnet" on the transcript, but I don't think they sent a separate profile. Ostrander sent a profile and letter out to everyone in the program so they can include it. At least that's our take. DD has been adding content from that pdf in tge additional notes section on the common app.

Not everyone from CAP magnet gets in. I know a few who have been denied.

Anyone know approximately what percentage of Blair CAP kids get accepted to UMCP?

No. But if you look at Blair’s Naviance, it’s pretty clear what GPA and test scores are needed.

Which is what gpa and what test score?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP that mentioned aggregate/ county level and, yes, the limit how many students accepted by county. That is what I was trying to explain to the OP. UMD doesn’t want the incoming class to be primarily MoCo kids. Historical, UMD accepts about 50% of Blair kids and the majority are from the magnet and CAP. I do think there is a cap at the high school level if you look at data from Bethesda magazine. However, we don’t have data for upcounty schools to determine if this is universal for the county.

So again, confusing.. you say there is a cap on the county level for geographic diversity, but then at the end you also say there is a cap by school. So it's both?

If 100 kids at a magnet apply, but only 50 get in, even though the other 50 who didn't get in have better stats/ecs than those from non magnet, then this tells me that they are looking at it by program, and by HS.

So, the county is one big group, and then there are subgroups within the county, and magnet students being one of those groups.

Blair HS overall acceptance rate might be 50% but I would think that nearly everyone from the magnet program who applies gets in. I don’t think the high magnet acceptance rate disadvantages the regular Blair student. Blair sends a school profile to colleges. The magnet students have a different school profile from the regular school population. The magnet school profile lists median SATs (typically around 1530), GPA distribution and AP score distribution for just the magnet students.
So the magnet students are compared to their peers in the program.
Having said this I have not seen any evidence that UMD compares magnet students to each other and only accepts a certain number. Other schools might do this but UMD doesn’t, perhaps because they understand that magnet students come from a wide range of home high schools and all of them would be in the top tier of their high school. Again most magnet students apply to UMD, nearly all are accepted and ultimately around 40% of the program accepts a UMD spot

Actually, I don't think magnet sent a profile this year. Counselors highlighted "magnet" on the transcript, but I don't think they sent a separate profile. Ostrander sent a profile and letter out to everyone in the program so they can include it. At least that's our take. DD has been adding content from that pdf in tge additional notes section on the common app.

Not everyone from CAP magnet gets in. I know a few who have been denied.

Anyone know approximately what percentage of Blair CAP kids get accepted to UMCP?

No. But if you look at Blair’s Naviance, it’s pretty clear what GPA and test scores are needed.

DD just got accepted into Blair CAP so we don’t have access to Blair Naviance. For now DD wants to stay in state for college so we’re debating if he has a better chance of getting accepted into UMCP at our home HS or at Blair CAP.

[Anonymous]

Heard from a school counselor that umd received over 55,000 applications this year. As a result many kids didn’t get in or got spring admit. Apparently, parents were furious and calling our school counselors about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Heard from a school counselor that umd received over 55,000 applications this year. As a result many kids didn’t get in or got spring admit. Apparently, parents were furious and calling our school counselors about this.

What can the counselors do about it? What school are you at?