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Anonymous
Why do you call it “manipulating their numbers?” The core curriculum, which features a number of seminar-style classes, is the hallmark of Columbia’s undergraduate education and is a distinctive feature that sets it apart from other schools. Why is there so much nonsensical Columbia hate on this thread? |
Anonymous
Never heard anyone who turned down Yale or Princeton for Columbia. The students and their parents are smarter than some of the folks here because they know where they should go when they are admitted to Columbia and Yale/Princeton. The lopsided decisions are not even close. https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Princeton+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York |
Anonymous
These are accumulated results over the years. So we won't see what's happening now until a few years later. |
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Anonymous
Lol sure |
Anonymous
| UVA is a top 20 school according to its peers. Enough said. |
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Curriculum_(Columbia_College) https://undergrad.admissions.columbia.edu/ask/faq/question/2390 |
Anonymous
Not PP, but remember that the chances that someone is admitted to both schools (or multiple ivies) is also very low... possibly only in the double digits. It would be a blessing for DS to be admitted into any one of the schools. Neither would I base my judgements on a self-reported database. I think PP did, in fact, support your argument by saying that they would only pick Columbia when the school gave them more generous financial aid. So why so salty? I don't understand the bashing of an excellent school. |
Anonymous
I agree with you that Columbia is a great school and has its strong programs. But when it comes to students' choices given the options, they do overwhelmingly favor HYP over Columbia. Financial obviously could be a factor but I am afraid prestige probably is the number one factor and many students would think it that way. That would explain why there is such a big differential in choosing HYP over Columbia according to parchment.com Yes, I agree with you that the data is probably self reported and has its own built-in noise. The data, however, seems matching quite well with most people's perception of school reputations, which may indicate students do choose schools generally in that trend. The fact that many students would report they chose Yale or Princeton over Columbia, even if it were made up, is already an indicator that many of them consider Y/P much more preferable to C. This also matches my knowledge about a few students in such situation. |
Anonymous
I agree with your point. If you look at the dataset, that's still 1 out of every 4 kids (26%) who picked C over Y and nearly 1 out of 3 (31%) who picked C over P. You should not discount those percentages, and that was my point. And it's not really as lopsided as you make it out to be, just as 2 out of every 3 kids (69%) picked Y over P and 3 out of every 4 picked H over P. |
Anonymous
In fact, if you look at the 2018 Parchment cross-admit rates: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mOUYQ8evykudV4rKIZTJDd_oGsbiDPJwldh1nK35bdA/edit#gid=276464668 It's a 6% (raw percentage points) bump for Columbia vs Princeton, 14% bump for Columbia vs. Yale, 11% gain for Columbia vs. Duke, 5% gain for Columbia vs. Penn, 5% gain for Columbia vs. MIT, 4% bump for Columbia vs. Chicago, 12% gain in Columbia vs Northwestern, and nearly 22% gain in its matchup against Caltech over the past three years, roughly coinciding with the school's rise in rankings from #5 in 2018 to #3 in 2020 (not accounting for its #2 rank in 2021). The school narrowed the gap with MIT, Princeton, and Yale and further widened its gap with Duke, Penn, and Chicago. Most noticeably it overtook Caltech from barely 30% in favor of Columbia to 52% in 2021. You shouldn't read too much into the numbers but it still shows how preferences are not always static. It's definitely an up-and-coming school. |
Anonymous
Yes, Yale and Princeton are preferred over Columbia, but the numbers should actually be less than the parchment report because of Columbia’s ED. Those who have Columbia as their first choice would ED and not apply to Yale and Princeton, so those people are not counted in this data set. |
Anonymous
| Funny and irritating how this thread has devolved into a meaningless p*ssing match about Columbia's perceived prestige vs. HPY (as if the three schools are a monolith). Is this what parents of smart kids do with their time? |
Anonymous
Parchment is more of a lagging indicator than a leading indicator. I don’t know what Yale or Princeton has over Columbia except the name brand that’s fleeting. Stanford has the Silicon Valley and Columbia has NYC and the Wall Street. That’s where the competition is. Kids who apply to Stanford may be more STEM/tech oriented. It would be more natural for them to choose Stanford bc that’s where the internships and job opportunities are. |
Anonymous
| Yale and Princeton would be more interesting if fewer students were heading off to careers in finance. Pitching Columbia as if its main selling point is its proximity to Wall Street is classic second-tier Ivy. |