Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is CCL not good at U13 and above? Either multiple people or same person multiple times has mentioned this over the past 10 pages. Both on the boys and girls side?

The person is a TROLL that is looking for people like you to take the bait. Doesn't matter which side you take, it has wasted mutliple pages on this board. Most posters here resist posting and just let it die out. But the TROLL will post multiple times pretnedijg to be on both sides. The smart posters ignore and know the debate is meaningless. Eventually the TROLL gets bored and goes back in his hole. In the meantime, it is always a sideshow to enjoy how long the troll will argue back and forth with himself . . .

[Anonymous]

Because there arw no elite leagues for u9-u12...Elite leagues start at u13 or u14...like ecnl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ECNL or Da
EDP
REGION 1
CCL

Actually
DA
ECNL
EDP
Region 1
CCL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL or Da
EDP
REGION 1
CCL

Actually
DA
ECNL
EDP
Region 1
CCL

Actually
ECNL/DA
National league/USYS national championships


some of the top programs in the country on boys and girls sides are ECNL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL or Da
EDP
REGION 1
CCL

Actually
DA
ECNL
EDP
Region 1
CCL

With the exception of southern california . The da will not take over ecnl for a few years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is CCL not good at U13 and above? Either multiple people or same person multiple times has mentioned this over the past 10 pages. Both on the boys and girls side?

The person is a TROLL that is looking for people like you to take the bait. Doesn't matter which side you take, it has wasted mutliple pages on this board. Most posters here resist posting and just let it die out. But the TROLL will post multiple times pretnedijg to be on both sides. The smart posters ignore and know the debate is meaningless. Eventually the TROLL gets bored and goes back in his hole. In the meantime, it is always a sideshow to enjoy how long the troll will argue back and forth with himself . . .

not baiting anyone just a serious question. I didn't ask why CCL is not the best, I said good. Just trying to understand if competition level is good at that age. It sounds like that it would still be a level above NCSL if my kids are not on an ECNL or DA team. It sounds like it can still get kids exposure. Trying to determine if best for kids to play on top NCSL team or CCL. How about NCSL vs CCLII. Just trying to understand options for my kid. Dang so defensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of these teams are going to drop out of the CCL. BRYC is the only club that does not have a large player pool behind their A team. McLean currently fields teams in both the ECNL and CCL. Of course the quality is not up to par in the older age groups. Several of the ECNL girls dress out for CCL matches but never enter for a CCL match. I agree that the CCL has a hard time promoting that it is an elite league when more and more of NOVA's top teams commit to DA and ECNL on both the boys and girls side. It would take teams like Beach FC and SOCA to say this is not for us before it truly folds.

I think your right, Beach and SOCA could easily compete in ECNL or DA. If CCL gets anymore watered down they should leave as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL is a big loser here, with BRYC probably out (because they won't have enough teams for CCL and ECNL), and the quality of Loudoun girls teams going down with their top players going to FCV.

Look for Beach and VaRush to win more State Cup titles as NOVA talent is spread out over more teams.

I'm curious to see if Spirit MD can attract any girls from Bethesda ECNL, which has top quality coaching and currently draws the top players from the MD suburbs

I think this depends on both the level of the DA teams and whether the practices are up near Baltimore Armour headquarters. There is a lot of coaching talent at the Baltimore Armour boys' DA, and I think if they can offer that on the girls' side they can quickly put together a good team. But Baltimore is awfully hard for Bethesda kids to get to (though some boys from Bethesda, Rockville and Potomac do play for Armour or Baltimore Celtic). Reston would be closer.

It seemed odd to me that Bethesda opted to stay with ECNL instead of applying for a DA spot. I will be curious to see what happens when the dust settles. Very glad my soccer players are boys!

Also agree that CCL is put in a bad position by all the ECNL and DA developments. I wonder if they will go back to just serving southern and central VA? In NoVa, they can't really claim to be an elite league. "We're better than NCSL" is pretty much what they are left with.

CCL was never....NEVER...considered an Elite league in NOVA.

You have no idea what your talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ECNL or Da
EDP
REGION 1
CCL

Actually
DA
ECNL
EDP
Region 1
CCL

With the exception of southern california . The da will not take over ecnl for a few years

That is right. It will be a mess everywhere else for several years.

The DAs are going to have to rethink things to win families from ECNL that are based at very strong clubs like MYS, BRYC, and Bethesda. Basing in Reston set them back 1-2 years. Could see them telling VA girls to start going to MD at that point, and that would really be a hard pill to swallow then.

ECNL is very low risk and you get a real strong base club. Giving up HS ball (or hoping for one of the prized 10 waivers) is hard enough, but too much risk at WS DA for an unknown result at an unknown club. The SoCAL DAs have their acts together, but Spirit blew it by not getting a strong partner and coming across as inept with no game plan.

When you see their Super Y teams play this summer, you'll get a taste of what they've been attracting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is CCL not good at U13 and above? Either multiple people or same person multiple times has mentioned this over the past 10 pages. Both on the boys and girls side?

The person is a TROLL that is looking for people like you to take the bait. Doesn't matter which side you take, it has wasted mutliple pages on this board. Most posters here resist posting and just let it die out. But the TROLL will post multiple times pretnedijg to be on both sides. The smart posters ignore and know the debate is meaningless. Eventually the TROLL gets bored and goes back in his hole. In the meantime, it is always a sideshow to enjoy how long the troll will argue back and forth with himself . . .

not baiting anyone just a serious question. I didn't ask why CCL is not the best, I said good. Just trying to understand if competition level is good at that age. It sounds like that it would still be a level above NCSL if my kids are not on an ECNL or DA team. It sounds like it can still get kids exposure. Trying to determine if best for kids to play on top NCSL team or CCL. How about NCSL vs CCLII. Just trying to understand options for my kid. Dang so defensive.

. . . use the search feature and search the thread . . . your questions are answered and debated repeatedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL is a big loser here, with BRYC probably out (because they won't have enough teams for CCL and ECNL), and the quality of Loudoun girls teams going down with their top players going to FCV.

Look for Beach and VaRush to win more State Cup titles as NOVA talent is spread out over more teams.

I'm curious to see if Spirit MD can attract any girls from Bethesda ECNL, which has top quality coaching and currently draws the top players from the MD suburbs

I think this depends on both the level of the DA teams and whether the practices are up near Baltimore Armour headquarters. There is a lot of coaching talent at the Baltimore Armour boys' DA, and I think if they can offer that on the girls' side they can quickly put together a good team. But Baltimore is awfully hard for Bethesda kids to get to (though some boys from Bethesda, Rockville and Potomac do play for Armour or Baltimore Celtic). Reston would be closer.

It seemed odd to me that Bethesda opted to stay with ECNL instead of applying for a DA spot. I will be curious to see what happens when the dust settles. Very glad my soccer players are boys!

Also agree that CCL is put in a bad position by all the ECNL and DA developments. I wonder if they will go back to just serving southern and central VA? In NoVa, they can't really claim to be an elite league. "We're better than NCSL" is pretty much what they are left with.

CCL was never....NEVER...considered an Elite league in NOVA.

You have no idea what your talking about.

Ha,ha,ha ... hiya troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL is a big loser here, with BRYC probably out (because they won't have enough teams for CCL and ECNL), and the quality of Loudoun girls teams going down with their top players going to FCV.

Look for Beach and VaRush to win more State Cup titles as NOVA talent is spread out over more teams.

I'm curious to see if Spirit MD can attract any girls from Bethesda ECNL, which has top quality coaching and currently draws the top players from the MD suburbs

I think this depends on both the level of the DA teams and whether the practices are up near Baltimore Armour headquarters. There is a lot of coaching talent at the Baltimore Armour boys' DA, and I think if they can offer that on the girls' side they can quickly put together a good team. But Baltimore is awfully hard for Bethesda kids to get to (though some boys from Bethesda, Rockville and Potomac do play for Armour or Baltimore Celtic). Reston would be closer.

It seemed odd to me that Bethesda opted to stay with ECNL instead of applying for a DA spot. I will be curious to see what happens when the dust settles. Very glad my soccer players are boys!

Also agree that CCL is put in a bad position by all the ECNL and DA developments. I wonder if they will go back to just serving southern and central VA? In NoVa, they can't really claim to be an elite league. "We're better than NCSL" is pretty much what they are left with.

CCL was never....NEVER...considered an Elite league in NOVA.

You have no idea what your talking about.

Ha,ha,ha ... hiya troll

Now we just need the CCL Guy who loves the regional travel. There's a league for everyone you know!! LoL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of these teams are going to drop out of the CCL. BRYC is the only club that does not have a large player pool behind their A team. McLean currently fields teams in both the ECNL and CCL. Of course the quality is not up to par in the older age groups. Several of the ECNL girls dress out for CCL matches but never enter for a CCL match. I agree that the CCL has a hard time promoting that it is an elite league when more and more of NOVA's top teams commit to DA and ECNL on both the boys and girls side. It would take teams like Beach FC and SOCA to say this is not for us before it truly folds.

DA has existed on the Boys side and ECNL on the girls side for nearly a decade now. CCL has not been an "elite" league for some time now. CCL is a nice local league that is great for kids until U12.

This is garbage. It comes down to the club for development. Taitague was developed by FC Richmond playing in CCL. Maybe the league isn't elite enough for your bragging, but if it's good enough for Taitague to play in it should be good enough for your little bench warmer as well.

http://www.richmond.com/sports/professional/soccer/article_d2561d61-6771-5086-835b-78e734beed10.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is CCL not good at U13 and above? Either multiple people or same person multiple times has mentioned this over the past 10 pages. Both on the boys and girls side?

The person is a TROLL that is looking for people like you to take the bait. Doesn't matter which side you take, it has wasted mutliple pages on this board. Most posters here resist posting and just let it die out. But the TROLL will post multiple times pretnedijg to be on both sides. The smart posters ignore and know the debate is meaningless. Eventually the TROLL gets bored and goes back in his hole. In the meantime, it is always a sideshow to enjoy how long the troll will argue back and forth with himself . . .

not baiting anyone just a serious question. I didn't ask why CCL is not the best, I said good. Just trying to understand if competition level is good at that age. It sounds like that it would still be a level above NCSL if my kids are not on an ECNL or DA team. It sounds like it can still get kids exposure. Trying to determine if best for kids to play on top NCSL team or CCL. How about NCSL vs CCLII. Just trying to understand options for my kid. Dang so defensive.

Your question is fair, and I'd ignore the people trying to call out trolls. I personally think a lot of the posters who talk about CCL and NCSL are sincere. You can usually tell by whether the comments at issue seem thoughtful vs. just provocative.

I am not the source of any of the recent comments saying CCL is not good at U13 and above, but I think people say this because it's not going to be your top option if you want your child to have the best shot at being recruited for college. Regardless of the precise order of the leagues, it is generally true that under the current set-up (changing for next year), your child will get a lot of exposure on a boys DA, girls ECNL, National league team, or regional/national ODP team. If you can't make one of those, you want to be on a team that is good enough to place in the upper brackets of top tournaments. There are several teams that play Region 1 and EDP that are in this category (though several of those teams also play National league).

Someone more knowledgeable than I about current CCL and NCSL teams can weigh in on this, but I do not believe there are many (any?) local CCL or NCSL high school age teams playing in top tournament brackets that do not also play in one of the higher level leagues listed above. The best kids with college ambitions tend to gravitate to the best teams they can make, which leaves fewer and fewer talented kids playing on the lower level teams exclusively playing in CCL or NCSL. None of this means your child won't have a chance at playing in college, just that he'll have to do more work on his own to be noticed. A coach isn't going to care at that point if he's on a low level CCL team or a team that plays in another league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think your right, Beach and SOCA could easily compete in ECNL or DA. If CCL gets anymore watered down they should leave as well.

This is idiotic. It's bad enough that you think Beach is an ECNL quality level, but putting SOCA in there shows that you're either a troll or just delusional.