FCPS HS Boundary

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

You are framing the argument incorrectly to try and make your point, which you also fail to even make. I pray you aren’t actually involved with FCPS.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

Washington-Liberty got crowded so APS expanded it. Schools in Ashburn get overcrowded and LCPS builds new schools.

Chantilly and McLean get overcrowded in FCPS and they threaten redistricting that will destroy Chantilly's compact boundaries and turn McLean into the runt of FCPS.

See the difference?

Arlington does not have space to build a new high school and parents were up in arms at the idea of a high school without a pool and sports fields. The only solution was to expand an existing school.

Loudoun has the space to build new schools.

FCPS does not have space to build a new school, yes they stupidly sold it but there still is no space. They have schools with unused seats. They can readjust the boundaries and use existing seats without expanding schools or building a new school.

See the difference?

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

Up to a point. But it has not been FCPS’s practice, even back in the “good old days” to which we are ostensibly returning, to bus kids longer distances just to fill empty seats in areas of the county with declining enrollments. You may want that to shore up your school or avoid capital spending, but when FCPS was still considered a first-rate public school system the more typical practice was to close an under-enrolled school and either build a new school or an addition in the growth areas. The idea was to meet kids where they lived, not treat them as widgets to make activists happy.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

They will say to reshuffle the whole deck. Makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

I suppose the argument WSHS folks are making is (A) WSHS is not overcrowded and (B) Lewis and SoCo sizes are just fine. Leave everything the way it is. I could understand an argument if WSHS was clamoring for funding to expand or for temp classrooms, but it is not. With respect to Lewis and SoCo, let kids transfer the way they always have. That is okay and their right. But the argument that a 1600 student school (or a 1400 student school or a 1000 student school) is not sufficiently sized doesn't hold water. Poolesville HS is the #3 HS in the State of Maryland and is 1300 kids.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

Washington-Liberty got crowded so APS expanded it. Schools in Ashburn get overcrowded and LCPS builds new schools.

Chantilly and McLean get overcrowded in FCPS and they threaten redistricting that will destroy Chantilly's compact boundaries and turn McLean into the runt of FCPS.

See the difference?

Arlington does not have space to build a new high school and parents were up in arms at the idea of a high school without a pool and sports fields. The only solution was to expand an existing school.

Loudoun has the space to build new schools.

FCPS does not have space to build a new school, yes they stupidly sold it but there still is no space. They have schools with unused seats. They can readjust the boundaries and use existing seats without expanding schools or building a new school.

See the difference?

APS expanded W-L when they could have moved more kids to Yorktown, and FCPS lied in the CIP for many years about building a new western HS when Loudoun actually delivered new schools.

Yes, there is a difference, but it’s not a positive one. The FCPS School Board is selling out families not to save money but to advance a left-wing social agenda.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

I suppose the argument WSHS folks are making is (A) WSHS is not overcrowded and (B) Lewis and SoCo sizes are just fine. Leave everything the way it is. I could understand an argument if WSHS was clamoring for funding to expand or for temp classrooms, but it is not. With respect to Lewis and SoCo, let kids transfer the way they always have. That is okay and they’re right. But the argument that a 1600 student school (or a 1400 student school or a 1000 student school) is not sufficiently sized doesn't hold water. Poolesville HS is the #3 HS in the State of Maryland and is 1300 kids.

Again, FCPS redistricted kids to South Lakes based on the belief that a 1400-student general enrollment school could not offer the same opportunities as other schools. Poolesville is largely a magnet; Lewis is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Close Lewis. Just close it. Send those kids to better schools. There’s your equitable solution with equal outcomes.

If projections hold, in 5 years there will be more than enough empty seats for West Potomac, Mount Vernon, Annandale, and South County to absorb Lewis. Right now they’re 300 seats short. Hayfield and Edison boundaries would have to shuffle to reach those seats.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

I can't recall how many years we've been told that overcrowding below 115% was tolerable and modulars should be included in permanent capacity because the classroom space was on par (and in some cases better) than the space in permanent buildings.

It's only because the activists are now drooling over the possibility to redistrict that we're told schools are "well over capacity and need relief." How about they actually survey the families at those schools and find out what they want? It won't be unanimous but you're not going to find a majority of families asking for boundary changes.

It really is a classic case of what Ronald Reagan had in mind when he poked fun at the classic "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help" bureaucrat.

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The WSHS boundary is so tiny compared to the other high schools. Soon there will be nothing left. Moving kids from WSHS to Lewis will only push more families into an even smaller space once the boundary is redrawn. Families are telling you something, look at the map. They would rather be living on top of each other than send kids to Lewis. First fix Lewis. Kids can’t fix Lewis, it’s reprehensible to put that burden on children.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

Sounds absurd doesnt it? Well, say hello to Langley where kids who border Loudoun County and kids who can walk to McLean both attend the same school.

Point is, it's not at all unreasonable to create cascading changes.

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Anonymous wrote:The WSHS boundary is so tiny compared to the other high schools. Soon there will be nothing left. Moving kids from WSHS to Lewis will only push more families into an even smaller space once the boundary is redrawn. Families are telling you something, look at the map. They would rather be living on top of each other than send kids to Lewis. First fix Lewis. Kids can’t fix Lewis, it’s reprehensible to put that burden on children.

Totally replace IB with AP.

Check residency at nearby schools.

Relocate 1/2 of the 10 focus areas (“clusters”) at the Edison Academy to Lewis.

Hire a first-rate administrative team.

Give it three years and see what happens.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

Sounds absurd doesnt it? Well, say hello to Langley where kids who border Loudoun County and kids who can walk to McLean both attend the same school.

Point is, it's not at all unreasonable to create cascading changes.

Hard to say what you want. If the limited number of Langley kids who live within walking distance to McLean HS (and they would have to cross a major road) were moved there, they'd need to compensate by moving even more neighborhoods further west to Langley. When you build, and then expand, a school that's in the northeastern corner of the county and a few miles from other high schools to the south (McLean and Marshall), it stands to follow that its attendance area will mostly lie to the west.

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I think that the overcrowding problem is due to the fact that it is just too easy for a motivated family to not attend a poorly ranked school, and I would look to fix that before addressing geographic boundaries.

And so your solution is to try and prevent those parents from sending their kids to a crappy school? The same crappy schools that many in this thread are trying to keep their kids from attending? 🥴

What people are saying is that it is ridiculous to rezone kids from an adjacent pyramid to Lewis to fill the slots of Lewis zoned kids who are pupil placing out of Lewis to other kids.

There are hundreds of Lewis zoned students pupil placing to other high schools. Yet FCPS wants to rezone a different group of kids to take the spots of the students who are actually living in boundary for Lewis?

Fix the reasons why hundreds of kids transfer out of Lewis first.

See how that works for a few years before even discussing rezoning kids from other schools.

You can't tell Lewis students they cannot transfer for language or AP or other reasons without telling every other student in the county they cannot transfer for language or AP. And that will upset every parent at an IB school and parents of kids at the lower rated AP schools that transfers out, Herndon sends a good number of kids to SLHS for IB. Which will lead to parents demanding that IB go away, which the school board seems to be set on keeping.

And the kids transferring out is not the reason for overcrowding at most of the schools that are over crowded that need relief. Boundaries are redrawn in school districts on a more regular basis then FCPS redraws boundaries. It is normal. I get that a percentage of the population does not like the school that they are moving to and that sucks. I doubt we are hearing from the people who are happy with the process because they are sick of being told that they are a SB employee, a SB member, or that they are not entitled to think that it is a good thing because they are not one of the kids being moved to school X.

You cannot tell 200-something West Springfield Elementary kids (or Rollung Valley, Keene Mill or Hunt Valley kids) that they are going to be rezoned to Lewis to backfill the 200-something Lewis kids who are currently transferring to other high schools.

That is called redrawing the boundaries due to shifting populations. You move kids from over crowded schools to schools that are not full. There is a ripple effect that is going to wash through the system. Some students will be moved. It happens in our area, see Arlington and Loudoun recently. Go read their boards, there were plenty of upset and complaining parents in Arlington's moves.
You think the problem is solved using a method that the School Board and probably a decent percentage of parents don't think is an appropriate solution. I doubt you would be saying what you are saying if your kid was being told they couldn't transfer. The school board is going to decide whose self-interested position is going to be approved, someone is going to lose.

That is a very weak argument for rezoning.

The argument, whether you agree with it or not, is that there are over crowded schools and under crowded schools. Boundaries need to be shifted to take advantage of the existing space across the county.

You don't like that argument because you don't want your child to be moved.

You counter that students at under enrolled schools are allowed to transfer and that those transfer rules should be halted. Kids would stay at their base school so the under capacity schools will have more students.

The problem with your argument, is that kids are not transferring to schools that are over crowded because the over crowded schools are closed to transfer. Your solution does nothing to deal with the fact that there are at least 5 HSs that are well over capacity and need relief. It might be more then five but I seem to recall a list of 5 HSs. That does not touch on all the ESs and MSs that are over capacity. Ending langauge immersion programs and AAP centers and other specialty programs will not fix the issue of over crowding. Which means that your solution, while good for your student, does not fix the larger problem. Re-drawing the boundaries does.

You are focused on a solution that meets your self-interest but that doesn't mean it is the best solution for the County as a whole.

The overcrowded schools are on the opposite end of the county from Lewis et al. The complete opposite end. How are schools on the east side of the county supposed to relieve capacity from Chantilly and McLean?

Sounds absurd doesnt it? Well, say hello to Langley where kids who border Loudoun County and kids who can walk to McLean both attend the same school.

Point is, it's not at all unreasonable to create cascading changes.

Hard to say what you want. If the limited number of Langley kids who live within walking distance to McLean HS (and they would have to cross a major road) were moved there, they'd need to compensate by moving even more neighborhoods further west to Langley. When you build, and then expand, a school that's in the northeastern corner of the county and a few miles from other high schools to the south (McLean and Marshall), it stands to follow that its attendance area will mostly lie to the west.

Or they’d have to finally start taking Tysons apartments.