Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Resell Skyview.

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That does not solve overcrowding at Chantilly, Westfield, Centreville, or Oakton.

Magnet do.

If it is Magnet, everybody in west will compete to get in Skyview.

If it is traditional, everybody fight to stay.

Nobody wants the school unless it is Magnet.

You obviously do not live in the area being considered. The area wants a traditional school.

It wouldn’t be irrational to set the Skyview boundaries as Coates, McNair, Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill, and do it expeditiously. Maximum enthusiasm for Skyview. Then look at Oakton in 2030 and if it’s still overcrowded move Crossfield to South Lakes. Shut them up for a while, put them in the oldest trailers available if Oakton is overcrowded, and then bundle a boundary change with other changes in the next county-wide review.

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It really upsets someone that Fox Mill wants to move and is comfortable with saying that. It may happen, it may not but we are allowed to use our voice and fingers just like the Crossfield families that want to move. No one thinks the families from Crossfield that want to move to Skyview are evil. They are using their voices and fingers to say what they want. That is how this works.

People are not evil for wanting different things than you. Make your case but stop demeaning other groups because they want something different then you. I want what I think is best for my local community. So do you. That isn’t evil.

I agree.

There are some posters (maybe 1 person) who really hate the idea Fox Mill may be going to Skyview.

We do not want to go to Skyview. We want to stay at South Lakes. You can not represent all Fox Mill families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You posters that keep saying that Chantilly, Oakton, and Centreville families don't want these moves are wrong. The families at the edges don't want to be moved, but the other families that are tired of their kids being packed into an overcrowded school because FCPS has been dragging it's feet and not doing it's job for over a decade are very much in favor of the move. They aren't vocal here because they aren't the ones potentially being moved, but I assure you they are in favor of it happening.

So are Coates, McNair, and Floris families. Most of them are in favor of moving to a new traditional HS closer to where they live. They are just not as vocal.

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Anonymous wrote:Resell Skyview.

+1

That does not solve overcrowding at Chantilly, Westfield, Centreville, or Oakton.

Magnet do.

If it is Magnet, everybody in west will compete to get in Skyview.

If it is traditional, everybody fight to stay.

Nobody wants the school unless it is Magnet.

You obviously do not live in the area being considered. The area wants a traditional school.

It wouldn’t be irrational to set the Skyview boundaries as Coates, McNair, Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill, and do it expeditiously. Maximum enthusiasm for Skyview. Then look at Oakton in 2030 and if it’s still overcrowded move Crossfield to South Lakes. Shut them up for a while, put them in the oldest trailers available if Oakton is overcrowded, and then bundle a boundary change with other changes in the next county-wide review.

Evil

It really upsets someone that Fox Mill wants to move and is comfortable with saying that. It may happen, it may not but we are allowed to use our voice and fingers just like the Crossfield families that want to move. No one thinks the families from Crossfield that want to move to Skyview are evil. They are using their voices and fingers to say what they want. That is how this works.

People are not evil for wanting different things than you. Make your case but stop demeaning other groups because they want something different then you. I want what I think is best for my local community. So do you. That isn’t evil.

I agree.

There are some posters (maybe 1 person) who really hate the idea Fox Mill may be going to Skyview.

We do not want to go to Skyview. We want to stay at South Lakes. You can not represent all Fox Mill families.

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When I say I represent all Fox Mill families? I didn't even say Fox Mill families want to go to Skyview.

But your lack of reading comprehension skills is not my problem.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

No point in being pedantic when it’s obvious that schlepping kids longer distances costs more money.

Yes. I think I have a different idea of what "couch change " is--and the savings would definitely not be "couch change."

And, she thinks it would not take a driver or a bus off the road? She's right. It would likely take a large number of buses and drivers off the road. Bus drivers will be able to do an additional route. Has anyone seen the buses going to Franklin Farm from Carson? Going up West Ox, as well. Those going up West Ox are headed to Crossfield areas. It is far more than "a" bus. A whole bunch also going up Franklin Farm Rd.

Total speculation based off of an uninformed econ armchair warrior. The real transportation cost savings would over by not schlepping kids to non-base schools for myriad reasons.

In this county, distance is not the primary factor in how many buses you have, it’s pinch points, mostly at swamped intersections. Don’t believe me, ask the bus depot. The amount of hours that buses spend waiting at lights through multiple cycles is insane, and way more than the couch cushion change savings you all claim to have found.

Just let the adults handle the logistics of buses and go back to your complaining about the white families at oakton.

Not a rocket scientist or a transportation expert. However, I have enough sense to know that one stop light "pinchpoint" does not outweigh 7 stoplights.
Example: suggesting sending Lee's Corner to Westfield would be one stoplight vs at least 7. That is a lot of "pinch points."

I do not know how many pinch points it take to go from Loudoun County line to Langley, but I do know that there are plenty of "pinch points" that do not involve stop lights on Georgetown Pike or Rt 7. I also know that the distance between those 20170 Langley homes to Herndon has maybe two "pinch points." At most.

Crossfield to Oakton has more "pinch points" than Skyview. If they go the "back way," they are necessarily on 123 at some point. If they are going I66, then there are a number of intersections on West Ox and 50..

And, we are not talking about one school bus, we are talking about many.

Proximity results in significant savings for busing. Also, just think of the environment when you have all those teens driving those roads, as well. Not to mention, after school activities which require parents doing both ways.

PP mentioned your "pedantics." Pedantics does not necessarily mean accuracy. But, it helps you feel superior.

But, thanks for advising me about "pinch points." I now have a new term to use when I am stuck in traffic.

Pretty BOLD proclamations given your self-professed ignorance. Gotta love when people act like they are experts about things they know nothing about.

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They need to simply set boundaries for Skyview first and get them up and ruining next year before they even think of changing anything else. It’s possible that schools will not be overcrowded next year anyway since Skyview will be absorbing many families.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

No point in being pedantic when it’s obvious that schlepping kids longer distances costs more money.

Yes. I think I have a different idea of what "couch change " is--and the savings would definitely not be "couch change."

And, she thinks it would not take a driver or a bus off the road? She's right. It would likely take a large number of buses and drivers off the road. Bus drivers will be able to do an additional route. Has anyone seen the buses going to Franklin Farm from Carson? Going up West Ox, as well. Those going up West Ox are headed to Crossfield areas. It is far more than "a" bus. A whole bunch also going up Franklin Farm Rd.

Total speculation based off of an uninformed econ armchair warrior. The real transportation cost savings would over by not schlepping kids to non-base schools for myriad reasons.

In this county, distance is not the primary factor in how many buses you have, it’s pinch points, mostly at swamped intersections. Don’t believe me, ask the bus depot. The amount of hours that buses spend waiting at lights through multiple cycles is insane, and way more than the couch cushion change savings you all claim to have found.

Just let the adults handle the logistics of buses and go back to your complaining about the white families at oakton.

Not a rocket scientist or a transportation expert. However, I have enough sense to know that one stop light "pinchpoint" does not outweigh 7 stoplights.
Example: suggesting sending Lee's Corner to Westfield would be one stoplight vs at least 7. That is a lot of "pinch points."

I do not know how many pinch points it take to go from Loudoun County line to Langley, but I do know that there are plenty of "pinch points" that do not involve stop lights on Georgetown Pike or Rt 7. I also know that the distance between those 20170 Langley homes to Herndon has maybe two "pinch points." At most.

Crossfield to Oakton has more "pinch points" than Skyview. If they go the "back way," they are necessarily on 123 at some point. If they are going I66, then there are a number of intersections on West Ox and 50..

And, we are not talking about one school bus, we are talking about many.

Proximity results in significant savings for busing. Also, just think of the environment when you have all those teens driving those roads, as well. Not to mention, after school activities which require parents doing both ways.

PP mentioned your "pedantics." Pedantics does not necessarily mean accuracy. But, it helps you feel superior.

But, thanks for advising me about "pinch points." I now have a new term to use when I am stuck in traffic.

Exactly right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I heard Meren does not like any of the Scenarios and would propose no boundary changes for elementary schools.

Nobody wants the elementary school boundary changes. We were not expecting those. We were only expecting high school changes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really supposed to pretend there’s much difference between Centreville and Westfield? The main reason they should move part of Centreville is Westfield to backfill Westfield is that they are so similar. If we’re being honest we all know there’s a bigger difference between Chantilly and Westfield.

Everyone complains about boundary changes when they think they are getting less attention than someone else, but you’re getting less attention precisely because no one seriously thinks it’s a big sacrifice to go to Westfield rather than Centreville or vice versa.

Sorry to say the quiet part out loud but I’m not wrong.

What an obnoxious post. The only preferences that to matter are those of rich, white people? FCPS caved immediately to the demands of RIO, Walney Oaks, and Lees Corner.

The truth hurts, and sometimes it’s needed when the alternative is just more people whining about a potential boundary change because a “me too” mindset sets in. Centreville and Westfield are not that different.

If there is such a huge disparity between Chantilly and Westfield/Centreville then it sounds like some of those wealthy Chantilly/Herndon neighborhoods need to be shifted to balance out the demographics amongst the western schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I heard Meren does not like any of the Scenarios and would propose no boundary changes for elementary schools.

Nobody wants the elementary school boundary changes. We were not expecting those. We were only expecting high school changes.

Yes.

To be fair, I think the middle school boundary changes are acceptable in order to reflect the new high school boundaries.

For example, if Oak Hill moves to Skyview, it makes sense to change their middle school from Franklin to Carson. Likewise, if Crossfield stays at Oakton but every other kid from Carson moves to Skyview, Crossfield should be moved to Franklin.

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Claiming its reasonable for white rich people to complain about switching between two rich schools like Chantilly and Oakton but unreasonable for "lesser" people to want to stay at their deemed "lesser" school is so unbelievably entitled, I can't even.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really supposed to pretend there’s much difference between Centreville and Westfield? The main reason they should move part of Centreville is Westfield to backfill Westfield is that they are so similar. If we’re being honest we all know there’s a bigger difference between Chantilly and Westfield.

Everyone complains about boundary changes when they think they are getting less attention than someone else, but you’re getting less attention precisely because no one seriously thinks it’s a big sacrifice to go to Westfield rather than Centreville or vice versa.

Sorry to say the quiet part out loud but I’m not wrong.

What an obnoxious post. The only preferences that to matter are those of rich, white people? FCPS caved immediately to the demands of RIO, Walney Oaks, and Lees Corner.

The truth hurts, and sometimes it’s needed when the alternative is just more people whining about a potential boundary change because a “me too” mindset sets in. Centreville and Westfield are not that different.

If there is such a huge disparity between Chantilly and Westfield/Centreville then it sounds like some of those wealthy Chantilly/Herndon neighborhoods need to be shifted to balance out the demographics amongst the western schools.

Specifically balancing for demographics would invite a lawsuit. FCPS staff has already said it won't happen.

Keeping kids who live closer to their current school there, on the other hand, is entirely appropriate.

Face it, if they pull 1000 kids out of Westfield someone has to move there and it might as well be Centreville students.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really supposed to pretend there’s much difference between Centreville and Westfield? The main reason they should move part of Centreville is Westfield to backfill Westfield is that they are so similar. If we’re being honest we all know there’s a bigger difference between Chantilly and Westfield.

Everyone complains about boundary changes when they think they are getting less attention than someone else, but you’re getting less attention precisely because no one seriously thinks it’s a big sacrifice to go to Westfield rather than Centreville or vice versa.

Sorry to say the quiet part out loud but I’m not wrong.

What an obnoxious post. The only preferences that to matter are those of rich, white people? FCPS caved immediately to the demands of RIO, Walney Oaks, and Lees Corner.

The truth hurts, and sometimes it’s needed when the alternative is just more people whining about a potential boundary change because a “me too” mindset sets in. Centreville and Westfield are not that different.

If there is such a huge disparity between Chantilly and Westfield/Centreville then it sounds like some of those wealthy Chantilly/Herndon neighborhoods need to be shifted to balance out the demographics amongst the western schools.

There is not a huge disparity.

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Anonymous wrote:Claiming its reasonable for white rich people to complain about switching between two rich schools like Chantilly and Oakton but unreasonable for "lesser" people to want to stay at their deemed "lesser" school is so unbelievably entitled, I can't even.

You can't get what you want just by calling someone else in this heavily minority part of the county "white." Everyone sees through it.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really supposed to pretend there’s much difference between Centreville and Westfield? The main reason they should move part of Centreville is Westfield to backfill Westfield is that they are so similar. If we’re being honest we all know there’s a bigger difference between Chantilly and Westfield.

Everyone complains about boundary changes when they think they are getting less attention than someone else, but you’re getting less attention precisely because no one seriously thinks it’s a big sacrifice to go to Westfield rather than Centreville or vice versa.

Sorry to say the quiet part out loud but I’m not wrong.

What an obnoxious post. The only preferences that to matter are those of rich, white people? FCPS caved immediately to the demands of RIO, Walney Oaks, and Lees Corner.

The truth hurts, and sometimes it’s needed when the alternative is just more people whining about a potential boundary change because a “me too” mindset sets in. Centreville and Westfield are not that different.

If there is such a huge disparity between Chantilly and Westfield/Centreville then it sounds like some of those wealthy Chantilly/Herndon neighborhoods need to be shifted to balance out the demographics amongst the western schools.

There is not a huge disparity.

Sounds like no one should complain about being moved out of Chantilly or Oakton, in that case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really supposed to pretend there’s much difference between Centreville and Westfield? The main reason they should move part of Centreville is Westfield to backfill Westfield is that they are so similar. If we’re being honest we all know there’s a bigger difference between Chantilly and Westfield.

Everyone complains about boundary changes when they think they are getting less attention than someone else, but you’re getting less attention precisely because no one seriously thinks it’s a big sacrifice to go to Westfield rather than Centreville or vice versa.

Sorry to say the quiet part out loud but I’m not wrong.

What an obnoxious post. The only preferences that to matter are those of rich, white people? FCPS caved immediately to the demands of RIO, Walney Oaks, and Lees Corner.

The truth hurts, and sometimes it’s needed when the alternative is just more people whining about a potential boundary change because a “me too” mindset sets in. Centreville and Westfield are not that different.

If there is such a huge disparity between Chantilly and Westfield/Centreville then it sounds like some of those wealthy Chantilly/Herndon neighborhoods need to be shifted to balance out the demographics amongst the western schools.

There is not a huge disparity.

Sounds like no one should complain about being moved out of Chantilly or Oakton, in that case.

Unless it is moving them miles and miles away.