Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

[Anonymous]

You know what problem I have with all this? Certain Oakton parents telling their children how crappy Skyview is going to be, and the kids then saying that to other kids in their own 20171 community who will almost certainly be zoned to the school. Just really charming behavior from grown adults who should know better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You know what problem I have with all this? Certain Oakton parents telling their children how crappy Skyview is going to be, and the kids then saying that to other kids in their own 20171 community who will almost certainly be zoned to the school. Just really charming behavior from grown adults who should know better.

These seem like imaginary conversations. I can see a parent telling a kid they can’t opt into Skyview because they aren’t comfortable they’ll get transportation, or letting a kid know a hoped-for activity may not exist at Skyview for years. But I have a harder time imagining an Oakton parent going out of their way to tell their kids Skyview will be “crappy.”

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what problem I have with all this? Certain Oakton parents telling their children how crappy Skyview is going to be, and the kids then saying that to other kids in their own 20171 community who will almost certainly be zoned to the school. Just really charming behavior from grown adults who should know better.

These seem like imaginary conversations. I can see a parent telling a kid they can’t opt into Skyview because they aren’t comfortable they’ll get transportation, or letting a kid know a hoped-for activity may not exist at Skyview for years. But I have a harder time imagining an Oakton parent going out of their way to tell their kids Skyview will be “crappy.”

LOL, you don't know some of the Crossfield moms. The sports ones and the AAP ones, to be specific.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

No point in being pedantic when it’s obvious that schlepping kids longer distances costs more money.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

No point in being pedantic when it’s obvious that schlepping kids longer distances costs more money.

Yes. I think I have a different idea of what "couch change " is--and the savings would definitely not be "couch change."

And, she thinks it would not take a driver or a bus off the road? She's right. It would likely take a large number of buses and drivers off the road. Bus drivers will be able to do an additional route. Has anyone seen the buses going to Franklin Farm from Carson? Going up West Ox, as well. Those going up West Ox are headed to Crossfield areas. It is far more than "a" bus. A whole bunch also going up Franklin Farm Rd.

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Anonymous wrote:Resell Skyview.

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That does not solve overcrowding at Chantilly, Westfield, Centreville, or Oakton.

Magnet do.

If it is Magnet, everybody in west will compete to get in Skyview.

If it is traditional, everybody fight to stay.

Nobody wants the school unless it is Magnet.

You obviously do not live in the area being considered. The area wants a traditional school.

It wouldn’t be irrational to set the Skyview boundaries as Coates, McNair, Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill, and do it expeditiously. Maximum enthusiasm for Skyview. Then look at Oakton in 2030 and if it’s still overcrowded move Crossfield to South Lakes. Shut them up for a while, put them in the oldest trailers available if Oakton is overcrowded, and then bundle a boundary change with other changes in the next county-wide review.

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It really upsets someone that Fox Mill wants to move and is comfortable with saying that. It may happen, it may not but we are allowed to use our voice and fingers just like the Crossfield families that want to move. No one thinks the families from Crossfield that want to move to Skyview are evil. They are using their voices and fingers to say what they want. That is how this works.

People are not evil for wanting different things than you. Make your case but stop demeaning other groups because they want something different then you. I want what I think is best for my local community. So do you. That isn’t evil.

I agree.

There are some posters (maybe 1 person) who really hate the idea Fox Mill may be going to Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:Resell Skyview.

+1

That does not solve overcrowding at Chantilly, Westfield, Centreville, or Oakton.

Magnet do.

If it is Magnet, everybody in west will compete to get in Skyview.

If it is traditional, everybody fight to stay.

Nobody wants the school unless it is Magnet.

You obviously do not live in the area being considered. The area wants a traditional school.

It wouldn’t be irrational to set the Skyview boundaries as Coates, McNair, Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill, and do it expeditiously. Maximum enthusiasm for Skyview. Then look at Oakton in 2030 and if it’s still overcrowded move Crossfield to South Lakes. Shut them up for a while, put them in the oldest trailers available if Oakton is overcrowded, and then bundle a boundary change with other changes in the next county-wide review.

Coates, McNair, and Floris families definitely want to move to Skyview. Fox Mill is divided but it looks like more Fox Mill parents want to move. Oak Hill is not as enthusiastic about the move but they are not actively opposing either.

[Anonymous]

I heard Meren does not like any of the Scenarios and would propose no boundary changes for elementary schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Resell Skyview.

Either turn it into a magnet and do bare minimum renovations or sell it. Waste of time, money and unnecessary parental and student angst to turn it into a traditional high school that really is not needed at this time.

FCPS doesn’t need another magnet school per the school board vote to make it a traditional high school (to relieve overcrowding.)

[Anonymous]

You posters that keep saying that Chantilly, Oakton, and Centreville families don't want these moves are wrong. The families at the edges don't want to be moved, but the other families that are tired of their kids being packed into an overcrowded school because FCPS has been dragging it's feet and not doing it's job for over a decade are very much in favor of the move. They aren't vocal here because they aren't the ones potentially being moved, but I assure you they are in favor of it happening.

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Anonymous wrote:Resell Skyview.

+1

That does not solve overcrowding at Chantilly, Westfield, Centreville, or Oakton.

Magnet do.

If it is Magnet, everybody in west will compete to get in Skyview.

If it is traditional, everybody fight to stay.

Nobody wants the school unless it is Magnet.

You obviously do not live in the area being considered. The area wants a traditional school.

It wouldn’t be irrational to set the Skyview boundaries as Coates, McNair, Floris, Oak Hill, and Fox Mill, and do it expeditiously. Maximum enthusiasm for Skyview. Then look at Oakton in 2030 and if it’s still overcrowded move Crossfield to South Lakes. Shut them up for a while, put them in the oldest trailers available if Oakton is overcrowded, and then bundle a boundary change with other changes in the next county-wide review.

Evil

It really upsets someone that Fox Mill wants to move and is comfortable with saying that. It may happen, it may not but we are allowed to use our voice and fingers just like the Crossfield families that want to move. No one thinks the families from Crossfield that want to move to Skyview are evil. They are using their voices and fingers to say what they want. That is how this works.

People are not evil for wanting different things than you. Make your case but stop demeaning other groups because they want something different then you. I want what I think is best for my local community. So do you. That isn’t evil.

I agree.

There are some posters (maybe 1 person) who really hate the idea Fox Mill may be going to Skyview.

It’s going to come down to Fox Mill or Crossfield at Skyview. I think if Fox Mill absorbs some of the Floris neighborhoods along Monroe they absolutely should be at Skyview.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

No point in being pedantic when it’s obvious that schlepping kids longer distances costs more money.

Yes. I think I have a different idea of what "couch change " is--and the savings would definitely not be "couch change."

And, she thinks it would not take a driver or a bus off the road? She's right. It would likely take a large number of buses and drivers off the road. Bus drivers will be able to do an additional route. Has anyone seen the buses going to Franklin Farm from Carson? Going up West Ox, as well. Those going up West Ox are headed to Crossfield areas. It is far more than "a" bus. A whole bunch also going up Franklin Farm Rd.

Total speculation based off of an uninformed econ armchair warrior. The real transportation cost savings would over by not schlepping kids to non-base schools for myriad reasons.

In this county, distance is not the primary factor in how many buses you have, it’s pinch points, mostly at swamped intersections. Don’t believe me, ask the bus depot. The amount of hours that buses spend waiting at lights through multiple cycles is insane, and way more than the couch cushion change savings you all claim to have found.

Just let the adults handle the logistics of buses and go back to your complaining about the white families at oakton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You posters that keep saying that Chantilly, Oakton, and Centreville families don't want these moves are wrong. The families at the edges don't want to be moved, but the other families that are tired of their kids being packed into an overcrowded school because FCPS has been dragging it's feet and not doing it's job for over a decade are very much in favor of the move. They aren't vocal here because they aren't the ones potentially being moved, but I assure you they are in favor of it happening.

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Anonymous wrote:There is something self-loathing about only being able to afford Herndon but claiming Herndon people aren't your neighbors and your real community is Oakton, many miles away.

Vienna and Great Falls kids both go to Langley. Langley are many many miles away, but they are community, not with Reston, not with Herndon.

And they are costing $$$$ in gas, buses, drivers, etc. to the rest of the system.

You’re complaining about couch cushion change. Bus drivers get $27/hour, and I don’t think any changes in that area would even take a driver or bus off the road. It’s just a salient talking point for the uniformed.

No point in being pedantic when it’s obvious that schlepping kids longer distances costs more money.

Yes. I think I have a different idea of what "couch change " is--and the savings would definitely not be "couch change."

And, she thinks it would not take a driver or a bus off the road? She's right. It would likely take a large number of buses and drivers off the road. Bus drivers will be able to do an additional route. Has anyone seen the buses going to Franklin Farm from Carson? Going up West Ox, as well. Those going up West Ox are headed to Crossfield areas. It is far more than "a" bus. A whole bunch also going up Franklin Farm Rd.

Total speculation based off of an uninformed econ armchair warrior. The real transportation cost savings would over by not schlepping kids to non-base schools for myriad reasons.

In this county, distance is not the primary factor in how many buses you have, it’s pinch points, mostly at swamped intersections. Don’t believe me, ask the bus depot. The amount of hours that buses spend waiting at lights through multiple cycles is insane, and way more than the couch cushion change savings you all claim to have found.

Just let the adults handle the logistics of buses and go back to your complaining about the white families at oakton.

Not a rocket scientist or a transportation expert. However, I have enough sense to know that one stop light "pinchpoint" does not outweigh 7 stoplights.
Example: suggesting sending Lee's Corner to Westfield would be one stoplight vs at least 7. That is a lot of "pinch points."

I do not know how many pinch points it take to go from Loudoun County line to Langley, but I do know that there are plenty of "pinch points" that do not involve stop lights on Georgetown Pike or Rt 7. I also know that the distance between those 20170 Langley homes to Herndon has maybe two "pinch points." At most.

Crossfield to Oakton has more "pinch points" than Skyview. If they go the "back way," they are necessarily on 123 at some point. If they are going I66, then there are a number of intersections on West Ox and 50..

And, we are not talking about one school bus, we are talking about many.

Proximity results in significant savings for busing. Also, just think of the environment when you have all those teens driving those roads, as well. Not to mention, after school activities which require parents doing both ways.

PP mentioned your "pedantics." Pedantics does not necessarily mean accuracy. But, it helps you feel superior.

But, thanks for advising me about "pinch points." I now have a new term to use when I am stuck in traffic.