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Another CCL announcement. What impact will this have? Seems many big programs are joining
http://www.clubchampionsleague.com/2015/02/13/club-champions-league-announces-ccl-ii/ |
Anonymous
All the same clubs that are already in it. So far, at least. It'll be interesting to see if other clubs apply. I'm still not buying the CCL rhetoric. You can say you don't have promotion and relegation to "avoid focusing on winning," but the fact is, teams that aren't winning are just that much more likely to pick a whole bunch of new players at tryouts. Frankly, this just looks like another power grab to weaken NCSL and WAGS. |
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| You keep on with your same BS criticism of CCL that weak teams will take more players at tryouts but that is the same in every league and every club. The point of CCL is that DURING THE SEASON coaches can focus on development not league results.Winning only matters for tounaments and State Cup. Btw, what league had the most success in State Cup -CCL. In league games coaches can try new formations, positions and let younger players play up without worrying about relegation. Anyone concerned about the future of youth soccer should see the inherent benefit of this approach. If even WAGS can see the benefits of this approach, why can't an expert like you? |
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Sure, other teams will make themselves over. But they aren't necessarily touting themselves as "developing from within the club." CCL claims to be different. They're not. I also don't buy the notion that league games don't matter. They give trophies for league play, right? Even an overall trophy. Relegation just ensures that teams get relatively even games. In CCL, that might not happen. |
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CCL isn't perfect as there is a big difference between the top and bottom teams in each age group, but I'm still waiting for an explanation for how NCSL or WAGS does a better job of developing players. Can you use State Cup results to prove your point? What club in WAGS is doing a better job developing players than the better CCL teams?
It's easy to just throw out criticisms and yell Kool-Aid, but are you able to back up your talk? |
Anonymous
Can you use State Cup results to show how you're developing players? No. No, you can't. "Winning vs. development" is a huge issue in youth soccer these days. CCL claims it's focusing on development. And in some respects, perhaps they are. But they're selling parents a bill of goods by touting the advantages of developing within a club ("Hey, you can take your U11 and U13 to the same place!") when the reality is that losing clubs are going to be looking for better players -- or even swiping an ENTIRE TEAM from another club that's not in the league. Good luck when your U13 is still on the A team and is traveling to Virginia Beach while your U11 is back in NCSL playing Loudoun's B team. A lot of people involved with CCL are surely well-intentioned. But is all this political posturing really good for anyone? And is it somehow better to toss out players than to have a team relegated from D1 to D2? |
Anonymous
Np here. I'm not clear on why you think the league develops the players. Seems to me like the credit goes to the clubs for that. It also seems like the CCL clubs with the most State Cup winning teams had a similar performance before the clubs joined CCL. |
Anonymous
Agree with this, although it seems to me that the better clubs from a training/player development perspective are part of CCL and share similar views on the role of league play. Don't really get the PP's CCL trash talk. I doubt many parents choose a club primarily b/c it's a CCL (or WAGS, or NCSL) club. The training environment provided by the club is what matters most. League play and tournament performance are really secondary especially at the younger ages where the emphasis should be on player development not on team performance. |
Anonymous
| So VYS has brought Hank Leung (very experienced, to put it mildly) on board to serve as technical staff for older age-group girls travel. No one can possibly object to this, right? |
Anonymous
| Right, this was a VYS "drop the mic" moment. Rumor is that Tab Ramos will be announced next as VP of House. |
Anonymous
The Club environment is also highly important at the young ages. Do they foster an environment of nasty? Do they treat a part of the age group as 'elite' and make the rest feel like shit? Do they truly reward performance and hard work, results, etc? Or is it a political club that continually leaves their top players in the lurch? Does a kid continually perform with zero recognition and be forced at practices to hear promotions if others that have not had the same consistency and results? Is there true unbiased communication from all coaches? Does your kid actually get more respect/recognition from opposing coaches and players after games? Is this crushing your kid's love of the sport? |
Anonymous
| Excuse my ignorance, but do travel teams tend to add players when they move to 11 v. 11 play or simply field fewer teams? I'm too lazy to scroll through the NCSL standings. Thx. |
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Yes, rosters get larger as teams move to 11v11. For my kid's team, they brought a couple of players up from the B team and picked up a couple of new players from outside the club through spring tryouts. There is still a B team - they picked up new players from outside the club to build out that roster to 15 players. I imagine some clubs consolidate to 1 or 2 teams (from 2 or 3) when they move to 11 v 11. There is also some attrition as some kids choose other sports over soccer or change clubs.
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