US blows up boat said to be carrying drugs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

You are f’ed in the head. It is against the law for the US military to target civilians that pose no threat to the US. This is the first war crime or murder because we are nit at war.

The boat was destroyed and survivors were in the water clinging floating debris. The order was given to target and kill civilians shipwreck survivors. Killing shipwreck survivors is by definition a war crime or murder if not at war. This was all recorded and people have seen the video. The SecDef is lying and you know it.

There is no such thing as narco terrorists. It is not a legal term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

So you want to murder anyone involved in the drug trade but leave the drug users alive? By your logic the drug users are the problem. Why hasn’t Trump started killing the drug users in this country?

You RWNJs have no clue. No one including the us military or the general public will rally to you and your f’ed CoD fantasy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

As the wife of a retired veteran, how dare you take this position. You don't get to kill people just because you believe they are drug dealers. There are still laws. The fact that Pete Hegseth is letting that soldier take the blame is a huge slap in the face of any soldier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/28/world/americas/venezuela-mood.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pU8.APvU.1xV5LiqogIhr&smid=url-share

Husband leaves to go fishing for the day and gets blown up by the US military.

This should be a way bigger story than it is.

All the drugs that washed up on the Dominican shore tells a different story

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/22/us/dominican-republic-cocaine-speedboat-us-navy.html

Extrajudicial killings are illegal. Period.

US Code doesn't apply outside US territory against non-US citizens. We're not running military actions by the Department of War by judge Boasberg. Have a nice day.

There are laws of war. What are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

then why free Hernandez? You're ok with cocaine deaths?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

Hello, low-information MAGA warrior. You need to read up on the FACTS about fentanyl and drug trafficking in Latin America.

Fact 1:
Venezuela does not produce fentanyl. It is primarily manufactured in Mexico using precursors from Asia, and it enters the US mainly overland from there—not from South America. US government reports, such as the 2025 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, identify Mexico as the sole significant source, with no mention of Venezuela as a producer or major trafficker.

Fact 2:
Venezuela is a transit point for cocaine, not fentanyl. The boats targeted in recent US strikes are mostly carrying cocaine to Europe, not fentanyl to the US. Experts from the DEA, UN, and think tanks like WOLA confirm there's no evidence of fentanyl labs or significant trafficking from Venezuela.

Prove me wrong.

And, it's pretty likely that there was no cocaine on the boat. If there were, there wouldn't have been so many people as the space and weight are needed for the drugs. Also, the boat would need to refuel something like 20 times to make it to the US from Venezuela. Not the most efficient way to smuggle drugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are so many people objecting to taking measures to stop the flow of deadly fentanyl into the U.S. ?

Obviously Biden’s approach (or lack of any cognizable approach) wasn’t working.

bc it doesn't come from Venezuela! this is a FAKE war on drugs. Hello he just pardoned Hernandez. You're fine with cocaine dealers and chasing after boats that don't have any fentanyl?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

then why free Hernandez? You're ok with cocaine deaths?

I don't think Republican voters see this kind of information. They are locked in their Fox News - home of Pete Hegseth - news bubble. No one at Fox is talking about Trump pardoning the narco-terrorist head of state of Honduras. And no one at Fox is talking about the fact that Venezuela doesn't ship any fentanyl to the US. China and Mexico are responsible for that scourge.

There are some Venezuelan members of cartels that ship cocaine from Colombia to Europe. But are we really going to war to save European cokeheads from themselves? Because that's what Republicans are arguing. We have to spend a trillion dollars to make sure nightclubs in Paris are safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every officer - whether they went through the academies or ROTC or OCS - knows that murdering shipwreck survivors is a war crime. That example is literally what is taught to every officer when it comes to illegal orders. German U Boat commanders were executed at the Nuremberg Trials for doing exactly that. You can't kill shipwreck survivors floating in the water.

Everyone in that chain of command is in a world of trouble.

Pretty damn positive three star GO/FOs don't make ROE decisions without legal counsel; so there's that. If the target was a valid military target and hasn't done anything to indicate surrender, I don't see the issue. Was the boat still floating? Okay, sink the boat. That's what Navies do. Shoot at threats until they sink. If you are engaging an enemy man 'o war and it is obvious that the ship is sinking, but the combatants are maintaining pursuit of their mission, then they are valid targets. Being wounded is not some sort of double jeopardy. Has the individual surrendered? If you let them go will they go back to the hospital, get healed up, and come back and continue their mission? Nope, they are a valid military target. If it is sinking, ie., is not sunk, then keep shooting. Did the boat run up a white flag or did they raise their hands or otherwise indicate a desire to surrender? Keep shooting. See, KM Bismarck, USS Johnston, pretty much every U-boat ever.

All you people hootin & hollerin about two dead narco terrorists: 200,000+ Americans died 2021-2023 because to fentanyl. What do you say about that?

I mean, if this is the rhetorical hill you democrats want to die on, awesome. I am sure there are lots of moderate fence sitters who will rally to their cause. The left is advocating violence against all sorts of fellow Americans for all sorts of reasons but two criminals trafficking poison to contribute to a quarter of a million US fentanyl deaths is cool. I think not.

You didn't need to spend all your time typing this out. You could have just said, "I have never been in the military. Nor do I have a law degree. I'm just a MAGA idiot."

[Anonymous]

Trump said they will release the video. Will they? Or will it be like his perfectly perfect MRI and hoax Epstein Files they’re hiding?

[Anonymous]

We’re taking a look at getting rid of Pete,
We’re taking a look at it.
He’s what you call a liability,
It’s called libel. He's libel.

So we’re taking a look at getting rid of him.

[Anonymous]

WSJ got what everyone has suspected:
“Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shocked official Washington in mid-October when he announced that the four-star head of U.S. military operations in the Caribbean was retiring less than a year into his tenure.
But according to two Pentagon officials, Hegseth asked Adm. Alvin Holsey to step down, a de facto ouster that was the culmination of months of discord between Hegseth and the officer. It began days after President Trump’s inauguration in January and intensified months later when Holsey had initial concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to former officials aware of the discussions.
Not long after, Hegseth announced that Holsey would be retiring.”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/hegseth-asked-top-admiral-to-resign-after-months-of-discord-9e7b357f?mod=mhp

OT for this thread but the Pentagon press corps seems to be doing just fine after being ousted from the building. 🙂

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:WSJ got what everyone has suspected:
“Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shocked official Washington in mid-October when he announced that the four-star head of U.S. military operations in the Caribbean was retiring less than a year into his tenure.
But according to two Pentagon officials, Hegseth asked Adm. Alvin Holsey to step down, a de facto ouster that was the culmination of months of discord between Hegseth and the officer. It began days after President Trump’s inauguration in January and intensified months later when Holsey had initial concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to former officials aware of the discussions.
Not long after, Hegseth announced that Holsey would be retiring.”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/hegseth-asked-top-admiral-to-resign-after-months-of-discord-9e7b357f?mod=mhp

OT for this thread but the Pentagon press corps seems to be doing just fine after being ousted from the building. 🙂

This is not from the pentagon press corps. There really is no one covering the the pentagon/DOD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:WSJ got what everyone has suspected:
“Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shocked official Washington in mid-October when he announced that the four-star head of U.S. military operations in the Caribbean was retiring less than a year into his tenure.
But according to two Pentagon officials, Hegseth asked Adm. Alvin Holsey to step down, a de facto ouster that was the culmination of months of discord between Hegseth and the officer. It began days after President Trump’s inauguration in January and intensified months later when Holsey had initial concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to former officials aware of the discussions.
Not long after, Hegseth announced that Holsey would be retiring.”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/hegseth-asked-top-admiral-to-resign-after-months-of-discord-9e7b357f?mod=mhp

OT for this thread but the Pentagon press corps seems to be doing just fine after being ousted from the building. 🙂

This is not from the pentagon press corps. There really is no one covering the the pentagon/DOD.

Yes there is, they’re just no longer in the briefing room.