Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

+ a million

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Anonymous wrote:Zionists controlling America really has brainwashed it's citizens to actually think people fighting against US imperialism are the bad guys when it's the opposite, or are Americans that horrible of people?

You've persuaded me: we Americans are all horrible people.

Sounds like you'd fit right in with Columbia University Apartheid Divest:

"As the fascism ingrained in the American consciousness becomes ever more explicit and irrefutable, we seek community and instruction from militants in the Global South, who have been on the frontlines in the fight against tyranny and domination which undergird the imperialist world order."

https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/anti-israel-columbia-students-call-for-total-eradication-of-western-civilization-divest-palestine-hamas-bangladesh-protests-demonstrations

Yes, horrible people support Western Imperalism. That's not an opinion, it's a fact and the fact that only young extreme leftist students have the brains to believe that in America is beyond disgusting.

So are you suggesting (like CUAD) violent attacks on the West?

This is the problem right here acting like the victim even though the US is the main one that has had a history of violence so anything else is simply resistance.

Is that a "yes"? Are you endorsing violence against America?

Just saying being against Western Imperialism and resisting against is very much justified worldwide.

Again, is that a “yes”, you do support violence against the US?’

Sure sounds like it but you’re too chickensh*t to say it.

Yes to all resistance against occupiers including USA. there

And there we have it.

DCUM poster calling for violence against the United States.

FFS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

Mahmoud never did that
The student protesters also never did that

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

Ok, I'm not a lawyer, so I am asking some questions here about rights.

Does the government have the right to detain a green card holder without a warrant? And then hold him without any charges? If so, for how long?

Does the same apply to US citizens (detain without a warrant and without charges) ? If so, under what circumstances and for how long?

Are there any differences in the rights of a US born citizen vs a US naturalized citizen? I thought the only thing a naturalized citizen could not do was be president. Any other differences?

Thank you in advance!

Naturalized citizenship can be revoked if it was obtained fraudulently.

You hear that, Melania?

However, a green card holder still has to go through due process.

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Anonymous wrote:How about supporters of violent settlers in the West Bank? Should we deport them?

With provisional green cards? Fine by me.

In fact we did exactly that:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/israel-us-deny-visas-extremist-settliers-west-bank/

No we didn't. The US denied visas for certain Israelis to be able to come to the US. Which is completely different from deporting a permanent legal resident with a green card - someone who is already in our country, entitled to Constitutional rights and due process.

+1 not the same.

Even if it's not the same no one on the Left cared about this new precedent created by Biden and it swept broadly enough to now deny a Visa to anyone who disagrees with WH foreign policy. That now means anyone who thinks Israel are colonial settlers and there should only be a single Palestinian state.

"Even if it's not the same, I'm going to bring in something that's not related because I can't defend this."

Once again, a green card holder is protected by US laws. A foreigner wanting a visa to come to the US is not protected by US law.

Not if they committed fraud by intentionally misrepresenting their involvement in activities asked about on the form. If you lie about something that is material, and it comes to light, your benefit, including citizenship, can be revoked and you will be deported.

Regardless of what you think he did, he is protected by US law in that he gets his day in court, ie, due process.

A foreigner requesting a visa to come to the US doesn't get due process.

Get it?

Also, Melania lied on her green card application. Why isn't she getting deported?

His administrative day in court is with an immigration judge. What don't you get?

Indeed, but some people are saying he should just be deported, as in he doesn't get due process.

This is not that dissimilar to the Red Scare where ultra right wing nationalists went after anyone who sympathized with communists.

Ultra right wingers don't actually believe in free speech except when it comes to them being able to spew hate and anti-government rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

Mahmoud never did that
The student protesters also never did that

I saw plenty of pictures and videos from the student protests cheering on 10/7, wearing Hamas insignia, and carrying imagery of paragliders, all of which is cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies. And yes, Khalil is in favor of that. Stop insulting my intelligence. The videos and photos from the student protests are all out there. Same with the statements from the groups Khalil supported.

He should be freed so the normal processes are followed, but I, like most Americans, aren’t going to be sad when his conditional green card is yanked and we see the back of him. We don’t need Hamas supporters here.

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I hate the gaslighting. Ukrainian protestors done peaceful protests. No handing out blood libel flyers, pouring concrete down school bathroom pipes, blocking Russian students from class. It has nothing to do with the color of their hair and eyes.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

Mahmoud never did that
The student protesters also never did that

This is not quite correct.

CUAD, the organization that Khalil is affiliated with, openly and expressly supports Hamas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/nyregion/columbia-pro-palestinian-group-hamas.html?unlocked_article_code=1.204.eMto.GB-5v4lzalT2&smid=url-share

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hate the gaslighting. Ukrainian protestors done peaceful protests. No handing out blood libel flyers, pouring concrete down school bathroom pipes, blocking Russian students from class. It has nothing to do with the color of their hair and eyes.

+1

Or supporting terrorist organizations explicitly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

Mahmoud never did that
The student protesters also never did that

Of course that's what they are calling for. Being deliberately obtuse doesn't change the obvious messaging from the agitprop Palestinians, who know better than to conduct themselves in such a manner in any other country of the world. It's about time our gov't decided not to allow a anything goes platform for hate speech, advocacy of genocide against Israel, vandalism of university buildings, and disruption of university operations, all of which goes far beyond civil disagreement about policy. He can "stand up" for Palestinian rights in Gaza, where he belongs. I'm sure his message will be heard and responded to appropriately there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

Mahmoud never did that
The student protesters also never did that

I saw plenty of pictures and videos from the student protests cheering on 10/7, wearing Hamas insignia, and carrying imagery of paragliders, all of which is cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies. And yes, Khalil is in favor of that. Stop insulting my intelligence. The videos and photos from the student protests are all out there. Same with the statements from the groups Khalil supported.

He should be freed so the normal processes are followed, but I, like most Americans, aren’t going to be sad when his conditional green card is yanked and we see the back of him. We don’t need Hamas supporters here.

That is according to your court of public opinion, legally you are not responsible for the actions of others.
His green card was yanked by presidential order. He did not do something to legally loose it
Even if his green card was to be revoked. He is married to a citizen and can legally change it to a fiancé or a student visa

[Anonymous]

These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

No support for Hamas. No endorsement or support, material or otherwise, for any organization that harms / harmed innocents. No indifference to the plight of the hostages, or their loved ones desperately seeking their safe return. No calls for the destruction of Israel. No calls for harm to Jewish individuals here or anywhere else. None of that.

The distortion of those facts, on the basis of an enduring hatred and disdain of others perceived as lesser than, is astounding. All of you making these claims are truly unwell.

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Anonymous wrote:These last several posts are the machinations of sick, deranged people. The protests were about calling for a ceasefire to stop the CURRENT indiscriminate Israeli slaughter of innocent men, women and children in Gaza. Which, incidentally, the entire world, aside from the U.S. and Israel, agree on. That’s it.

that's not what 'global intifada' means.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy is Palestinian. Of course, he is fighting for his people. Give the poor guy a break! I respect him for standing up for the rights of his people

Agree. If he was a blond blue-eyed Ukrainian screaming about the injustices his country is facing, y’all would be up in arms.

A blond, blue-eyed Ukrainian would not be out there cheering for the kidnapping and execution of babies.

Strawman