Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Well these women did not get pregnant by themselves. I hope these men are ready are to pay child support for the next 18 years. I hope they think about that before they have sex without birth control. And many of these men will be Trumpers!

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Anonymous wrote:Well these women did not get pregnant by themselves. I hope these men are ready are to pay child support for the next 18 years. I hope they think about that before they have sex without birth control. And many of these men will be Trumpers!

They do have to pay child support. But, since this new line is pregnancy and child bearing us 100% yet choice of a woman, then I do think we should relook at this. For those who advocate for unfettered, unlimited access to killing fetuses and babies solely based on the woman’s choice, I hope you’re advocating to eliminate child support.

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Anonymous wrote:Well these women did not get pregnant by themselves. I hope these men are ready are to pay child support for the next 18 years. I hope they think about that before they have sex without birth control. And many of these men will be Trumpers!

They do have to pay child support. But, since this new line is pregnancy and child bearing us 100% yet choice of a woman, then I do think we should relook at this. For those who advocate for unfettered, unlimited access to killing fetuses and babies solely based on the woman’s choice, I hope you’re advocating to eliminate child support.

You would hope wrong. If you have a child, you pay your share for the child. Keep your junk yourself if you can't handle that.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why liberals think that all women should want to be able or kill their own children. I think it’s because abortion is so abhorrent that they have to trick themselves into denial about what it really is.

I don't understand why conservatives think all 12 year olds should be made to deliver their rapists babies. I think it's because they can't stand the thought of females having control over their own bodies that they have to trick themselves into denial that a 12 year old is just as much a baby as a week old embryo.

Would you be ok banning abortions without defects, rape, risk to mother? Ban them from day 1 of pregnancy.

Define day 1 of pregnancy.

When the egg implants to the wall. So technically that’s day 3 or whatever. I guess I’m a progressive.

Well that's pretty retrograde in fact. Yikes. You sound controlling.

Do you realize well more than half of fertilized eggs never make it to a live baby? Because nature doesn't impart any sacredness to these early conceptions.

Well there would be no need for abortion in those cases, so what’s your point?

Why are YOU imparting sacredness to a 4 day old fertilized egg, valuing it over the life of the person who does not want it attached to her uterine wall?

It’s a life. Simple as that. Do women bear not responsibility to take simple steps to avoid getting pregnant if they don’t want to be pregnant?

You are assuming that all women who have sex gave consent. Have you ever been raped? I have. How is a woman obligated to prevent pregnancy when she did not even consent to have the sex in the first place? Do you know that Trump's abortion bans are taking away morning after emergency conception too? That even rape exceptions for abortion are difficult to administer because it's hard to prove you were raped when there were no witnesses, as is too often the case. Please have some empathy. I don't want more abortions that are unncessary. I simply want to preserve the right for health of mom, when fetus is not viable and carrying it to term would impede mom's health or future fertility, or when there wasn't consent.

There is extremely broad support for abortion in the unfortunate circumstances set forth in your post. That’s Trump’s stated position during his debate, btw. Thing is, less than 10% of abortions are for those situations. I remember when the standard position on the left was “safe, rare and legal” for life or health of mother/fetal incompatibility with life, or rape/incest.

Presumably, because the vast majority of abortions are elective (because many women simply can’t be bothered to be responsible with their own fertility), the current party line is to “shout your abortion.” Don’t just do it— be proud of it! The left, which pretends to be the party of science, hides behind “clump of cells” language to deny plain biological reality: abortion is the act of killing your unborn, innocent and defenseless offspring. The later in the pregnancy that this occurs, the more horrific and barbaric it is. The fact that some people are perfectly fine with this is evil.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Very tiresome argument. From someone who probably would vote against free school lunches and free health and dental care for all children under 18. Yes, we know you would. Hypocrite.

Non responsive. My point is that many many people who lecture others about stupid social issue nonsense, those same people support the right to kill infants, defenseless babies, the most defenseless people in our society, at the viable stage of pregnancy. It’s really indefensible. I’m not saying this so you, as you at least support limits after visibility.

The vast majority of Americans including Democrats want to return to the standards of Roe which means abortion up to the point of viability and after that for threats to the mother's health, fetal abnormality, and rape (esp. in the case of children whose pregnancy might not be discovered until week 22 - still second trimester, by the way).

Ok let’s do it. But when republicans try restrictions like that they still get nuked by democrats and pro-choice extremists. And most women have bought the extreme position it seems.

Don't make us laugh. This WAS the standard across the country before anti-abortionists started reducing access to abortion and making all patients get vaginally wanded before an abortion, even minor children, forcing them to look at ultrasounds, forcing them to have a waiting period that many poor women couldn't afford. Republicans have been plotting the demise of abortion access for years and years. They are NOT interested in sticking with the Roe standard and you know it. We all know it. That is so incredibly disingenuous of you to state. Makes you sound like a troll.

Was it the standard in NY, CA, Mass?

Medical professionals could decide together with the patient.

You know damned well that abortion on demand for convenience was available in many blue states up into the last trimester.

Isn't lying like this amoral as well? You're a religious fanatical hypocrite, yeah?

They're are like 3 doctors in the US who even do this, it costs up to 25k, and they're are long lists for people in really tragic circumstances to get this kind of care. The books might allow for this in certain states but the reality is, 3rd trimester abortions for "convenience" are not a thing.

Something often stated but simply not true.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9321603/#:~:text=I%20find%20two%20pathways%20to,continue%3B%20and%20barriers%20to%20abortion%2C

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wherein the respondent was in the third trimester by the time she was able to surmount the obstacles to abortion she faced, including cost, finding a provider, and stigmatization.

So what this is indicating is that if these women had earlier access to abortion, they wouldn't have had a third trimester abortion. Sounds like that's on conservatives. Sounds about right - cons are driving the third trimester abortions on healthy fetuses by putting up too many obstacles for women who would want one much earlier in their pregnancy.

It disproves the idea that third trimester abortions are solely for fetal abnormalities and “tragic circumstances” and previously claimed. No, they simply are not, and the published literature has been clear on this for over a decade. You’re changing the subject to deflect.

Again - take responsibility. Would these abortions have happened so late if conservatives hadn’t put up so many barriers for women seeking abortions? No. They would not have.

We know this is one of the things anti-abortionists want. They want to prevent women from getting abortions early on and then they say oops, too late. That is your modus operandi. So yes I blame such abortions on anti-abortionists.

Who cares who you blame? The point is that elective third trimester abortions exist and have existed, despite the false claims on this board. Another example was provided of a woman who didn’t know about her pregnancy earlier, had nothing to do with early abortion options.

Own it.

Trump is going to have consequences for overturning Roe. That is how it is going to be. Makes no difference if you agree or disagree.

That must be why he is leading in the polls lol.

You can lol all day and night. He will pay a price for overturning Roe. It was one of the most unpopular actions ever done by any president ever. That will be reflected in the election as it should be.

Glad to see you came back and clarified you were talking about the election. Your "consequences" posts could get you into trouble if you're not careful.

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Anonymous wrote:Well these women did not get pregnant by themselves. I hope these men are ready are to pay child support for the next 18 years. I hope they think about that before they have sex without birth control. And many of these men will be Trumpers!

They do have to pay child support. But, since this new line is pregnancy and child bearing us 100% yet choice of a woman, then I do think we should relook at this. For those who advocate for unfettered, unlimited access to killing fetuses and babies solely based on the woman’s choice, I hope you’re advocating to eliminate child support.

You would hope wrong. If you have a child, you pay your share for the child. Keep your junk yourself if you can't handle that.

I hope you see you made the point…. And if a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant - don’t have sex.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Very tiresome argument. From someone who probably would vote against free school lunches and free health and dental care for all children under 18. Yes, we know you would. Hypocrite.

Non responsive. My point is that many many people who lecture others about stupid social issue nonsense, those same people support the right to kill infants, defenseless babies, the most defenseless people in our society, at the viable stage of pregnancy. It’s really indefensible. I’m not saying this so you, as you at least support limits after visibility.

The vast majority of Americans including Democrats want to return to the standards of Roe which means abortion up to the point of viability and after that for threats to the mother's health, fetal abnormality, and rape (esp. in the case of children whose pregnancy might not be discovered until week 22 - still second trimester, by the way).

Ok let’s do it. But when republicans try restrictions like that they still get nuked by democrats and pro-choice extremists. And most women have bought the extreme position it seems.

Don't make us laugh. This WAS the standard across the country before anti-abortionists started reducing access to abortion and making all patients get vaginally wanded before an abortion, even minor children, forcing them to look at ultrasounds, forcing them to have a waiting period that many poor women couldn't afford. Republicans have been plotting the demise of abortion access for years and years. They are NOT interested in sticking with the Roe standard and you know it. We all know it. That is so incredibly disingenuous of you to state. Makes you sound like a troll.

Was it the standard in NY, CA, Mass?

Medical professionals could decide together with the patient.

You know damned well that abortion on demand for convenience was available in many blue states up into the last trimester.

Isn't lying like this amoral as well? You're a religious fanatical hypocrite, yeah?

They're are like 3 doctors in the US who even do this, it costs up to 25k, and they're are long lists for people in really tragic circumstances to get this kind of care. The books might allow for this in certain states but the reality is, 3rd trimester abortions for "convenience" are not a thing.

Something often stated but simply not true.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9321603/#:~:text=I%20find%20two%20pathways%20to,continue%3B%20and%20barriers%20to%20abortion%2C

From your article:

wherein the respondent was in the third trimester by the time she was able to surmount the obstacles to abortion she faced, including cost, finding a provider, and stigmatization.

So what this is indicating is that if these women had earlier access to abortion, they wouldn't have had a third trimester abortion. Sounds like that's on conservatives. Sounds about right - cons are driving the third trimester abortions on healthy fetuses by putting up too many obstacles for women who would want one much earlier in their pregnancy.

It disproves the idea that third trimester abortions are solely for fetal abnormalities and “tragic circumstances” and previously claimed. No, they simply are not, and the published literature has been clear on this for over a decade. You’re changing the subject to deflect.

Again - take responsibility. Would these abortions have happened so late if conservatives hadn’t put up so many barriers for women seeking abortions? No. They would not have.

We know this is one of the things anti-abortionists want. They want to prevent women from getting abortions early on and then they say oops, too late. That is your modus operandi. So yes I blame such abortions on anti-abortionists.

Who cares who you blame? The point is that elective third trimester abortions exist and have existed, despite the false claims on this board. Another example was provided of a woman who didn’t know about her pregnancy earlier, had nothing to do with early abortion options.

Own it.

Trump is going to have consequences for overturning Roe. That is how it is going to be. Makes no difference if you agree or disagree.

Trump didn’t overturn Roe vs Wade. SCOTUS did. Ie people who have lifetime immunity to make calls on the constitution to avoid the kinds of recrimination you are making. Trump or no, that unconstitutional judicially- made law is (properly) gone.

You better tell Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Abortion has become a sacrament for some of these sick people. At the DNC they even had an abortion on demand truck. It is demonic how much they keep pushing abortion especially without limits. And you are right these are the same people who support young children taking irreversible puberty blockers and hormones, having sexually explicit books in schools, drag queens performing in front of kids etc. They argue as if they are morally superior when in reality they are promoting evil.

Ah there we have it. It the moral police.

Yes. And we are going to impose our morality on you, I guarantee you that. Just like we ban homicide, theft, etc.

How you going to do that?

Stay tuned!

You're working to ban abortion nationally?

Yes. That is the long play.

Please see Project 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again forced birthers end up looking like a bag of clowns, all accusations and their own weird Life News takes on what they think pro choice people want, and the flimsiest understanding of any of the issues. Like weird little bits of slag formed in the weak fires of right wing propaganda, they’re off their rockers.

I’m pro-choice but I think in this thread, the extremist death up until birth people look by far the worst.

Timestamp of the poster who said “up until birth”?

Still waiting on this.

Unless…PP is a liar.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it. Dems and some R's are advocating for choice, not abortion. Trumpers are advocating for no abortion at any cost, even if the fetus isn't viable for birth or mother's life could be compromised.

Advocating for choice isn't extreme. Forcing only one specific choice in all instances is.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Abortion has become a sacrament for some of these sick people. At the DNC they even had an abortion on demand truck. It is demonic how much they keep pushing abortion especially without limits. And you are right these are the same people who support young children taking irreversible puberty blockers and hormones, having sexually explicit books in schools, drag queens performing in front of kids etc. They argue as if they are morally superior when in reality they are promoting evil.

Ah there we have it. It the moral police.

Yes. And we are going to impose our morality on you, I guarantee you that. Just like we ban homicide, theft, etc.

Yes, we know you want to force women to do things with their bodies against their will.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Abortion has become a sacrament for some of these sick people. At the DNC they even had an abortion on demand truck. It is demonic how much they keep pushing abortion especially without limits. And you are right these are the same people who support young children taking irreversible puberty blockers and hormones, having sexually explicit books in schools, drag queens performing in front of kids etc. They argue as if they are morally superior when in reality they are promoting evil.

Ah there we have it. It the moral police.

Yes. And we are going to impose our morality on you, I guarantee you that. Just like we ban homicide, theft, etc.

Yes, we know you want to force women to do things with their bodies against their will.

Child support is about power and control. Women want to force men to be responsible for children they could abort. Just a minor procedure. Or just take some poison pills.

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Anonymous wrote:Once again forced birthers end up looking like a bag of clowns, all accusations and their own weird Life News takes on what they think pro choice people want, and the flimsiest understanding of any of the issues. Like weird little bits of slag formed in the weak fires of right wing propaganda, they’re off their rockers.

I’m pro-choice but I think in this thread, the extremist death up until birth people look by far the worst.

Timestamp of the poster who said “up until birth”?

Still waiting on this.

Unless…PP is a liar.

I think the point is no one has condemned Colorado’s up until birth law. Do you condemn Colorado’s law?

[Anonymous]

Men could stop having sex too.

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Anonymous wrote:What I really find insane is that the same people that lecture others about systemic racism, “trans rights,” LGBT, climate change, and are sanctimonious and holier-than-though, many of those same people support the right to murder in cold blood babies at the 7th, 8th, 9th month of pregnancy. It’s a blood cult.

Abortion has become a sacrament for some of these sick people. At the DNC they even had an abortion on demand truck. It is demonic how much they keep pushing abortion especially without limits. And you are right these are the same people who support young children taking irreversible puberty blockers and hormones, having sexually explicit books in schools, drag queens performing in front of kids etc. They argue as if they are morally superior when in reality they are promoting evil.

Ah there we have it. It the moral police.

Yes. And we are going to impose our morality on you, I guarantee you that. Just like we ban homicide, theft, etc.

How you going to do that?

Stay tuned!

You're working to ban abortion nationally?

Yes. That is the long play.

Please see Project 2025.

The only way they can get abortion banned in California or Connecticut is abolishing the filibuster. I don't see that happening.