Paramount has to over promote to the point of cringe to help shield the fact that one of the coaches consistently gets wirrten up and on probation for throwing temper tantrums. |
For complete beginners, U11 MOCO is good.
But do not go there if your daughter has a bit of volleyball experience. The coaches for the 2024/25 season were very inexperienced. Practices were not challenging. And the coaches did very little coaching during tournaments. Given the limited number of clubs offering U11 teams, I would suggest doing tryouts for U12 teams if your daughter is mature enough. There is more choice and most kids in U12 teams have some volleyball experience so the heterogenity in skill levels is typically lower within teams (U12-1, U12-2, …) |
Totally agree |
This applies to most average clubs, not only MOCO. You would expect that for-profit clubs would do a better job finding qualified coaches, but that's rarely the case, especially for the 2s and 3s teams. I would go even further with the recommendation: if you are offered positions on the first team in club A (lower level club) and a position on the 2s in club B (higher level club), your coaching will likely be better in club A than in club B. There are exceptions (you need to do your homework) and top clubs are not included in this recommendation. |
Yeah, this thread is totally worthless for anyone that is not SUPER SUPER DEEP IN THE WEEDS on volleyball. My kid plays on a team at the 14U level and wants to play on her HS team. All this "open bid" stuff is like total Greek to me. I've found the same thing with the soccer and even softball threads -- they all get taken over by the people who are obsessed with the sport and seem to be very focused on getting their kid to play at a top Div 1 school -- one would think that they have been places to communicate about this stuff that are more specific than a random DCUM thread. |
Both of Paramount's 15s teams went to triple crown this year. But there is definitely a 1s and a 2s team! The 15-2 team returned about 2/3 of their team from last year. They lost 5 players and added 5 new players. They are clearly Paramount's best 2s team and may be an outlier - they finished 3rd at regionals behind Metro and Paramount 1s team. The other Paramount 2s teams finished towards the bottom of the standings at regionals though they are still arguably more competitive than 2s teams at most other clubs, except maybe MVSA. |
Paramount’s 2nd teams did well at Regionals, generally finishing ahead of VAJRS, VAE and other similar clubs, so I’m not sure where you get that most of them finished near the bottom. Moreover, Bid Regionals are actually getting harder just to even get into (ask VAE, who had multiple teams denied entry), so the fact that every single Paramount team gained acceptance into bid regionals in an accomplishment in and of itself (the 18s division was the only division that Metro was able to get a 2nd team into). For example: 13 Tate finished tied for 5th (tied with MDJRS and MVSA’s top teams, and finishing ahead of VA Juniors). 14 Anderson finished tied for 7th (same place as MVSA’s 1’s team and 4 spots ahead of VAE). 15 Cruz finished 3rd overall (ahead of MDJRS and VAJRS). 16 Allorie finished last place, so I get that one. 11 Sadie and 12 Maggie both finished in last place, but in those age groups all the players in thearea are just learning how to play. |
I feel like these people cannot imagine that most of us don't care about their bids. They look at any volleyball thread as another opportunity to discuss their top teams and their D1 recruits. They turn every volleyball thread into a useless debate on which team is the best in the region as if everybody must care about that. |
Getting in to bid regionals is definitely harder than it was even a few years ago, especially since they went to the 12 team format with 3 team pools. Generally, the teams that get into bid regionals are the better teams, but there are always good teams (and clubs) that choose not to compete for a bid. Blue Ridge is the best example most years, but this year there were a lot of teams that opted not to go to USAV bids for one reason or another. In 15s there were ~9 teams that have high national ranks that didn't register for CHRVA bids. These days AAU nationals can be more competitive in certain brackets, and some clubs/teams just don't want to play through early July so they opt for AAU in Orlando instead. Or they just end their season at the end of May and forgo nationals. Also, performance in a one-day tournament does not tell you much about team quality. For example, to place 5th in the 13s you had to win one match (either in pool play or in the play-in round to get to the quarters) -- out of 3 matches. To get a bid, the teams had to win at least 3 out of 5. The same was true of the 16s. For the 14 & 15s, you came in fifth if you won 2 matches out of 4, but had to win at least 3 to get to the semis, and bids generally went to teams that won 4 (with some going to 3 win teams). Just look at the 18s, were Metro didn't even qualify for a CHRVA bid, but earned an Open bid a few weeks later.
Completely agree. Its just marketing. On this thread/board a lot of it is club staff using anonymous accounts to pump up their club or parents that are big fans of the club their DD plays for. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your club but generally the Metro Travel and Paramount fans are hyper-focused on repeatedly explaining why their club is the best in the region. It sucks the oxygen out of every discussion. There are many, many players from other clubs that are also playing in college - in fact for this graduating class there are more college commits playing for other clubs than there are playing for Metro or Paramount. And if you are just interested in HS volleyball, the vast majority of HS players play for other clubs as well. It helps to remember that at each age level there are only 3 teams between Metro Travel and Paramount, with a maximum of 45 players. But in CHRVA there are 1200-1800 players in each age group. There are lots of other good players, good coaches and good clubs. Find the club and coach that matches what you want, and enjoy it. |
FYI: the 13 Tate team definitely played down in a few tournaments to up their overall stats. They played in local tournaments against much lower level teams to “win the gold brackets.” It was super frustrating for all the other teams playing that were closely ranked. |
That paramount fan girl has taken over. If your kid made the 2's team and not the 1's then be happy about it and MOVE ON instead of harping about just how amazing the 2's team is. Or are you somehow trying to defend the fact that you continue to choose a psycho coaching staff despite your dd being on the 2's team? Either way... we've had enough of hearing about Paramount. |
Can someone help me understand the difference between “Regional” and “American”
and between “National” and “Open” club teams, please? |
Also, as a total aside, if you are the dad at least week's tournament that yelled at a 14-year old girl working as a line ref that she is "f*$king stupid"....you need to examine your life choices and get some therapy. And stop coming to your kid's volleyball games. |
Here's the text verbatim from the 2025 USA Volleyball manual: https://usavolleyball.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/2025-Girls-Championship-Manual-Finalized-Updated-with-Changes-as-of-Feb-19.pdf GJNC = Girls Junior National Championships NQ = National Qualifier ... roughly 12 NQ events per year for ages 17 and under; 16 NQ events for 18s There are ~40 regions in USA Volleyball (https://www.usavregions.org/regions.html). Each region is allotted a set number of bids ... per age group ... for its teams to compete at the national championships. The number of bids is based on the number of participating players in that region ... again, per age group. The list of the divisions below is typically in order from highest level of competition to the lowest. From Page 10
... The page also has a chart to show approximately how many teams compete in each division at the national championships. Patriot division is effectively pay-to-play. All other bids must be earned on the court. Technically, "Regional" isn't a level of play. It's more of an admission that a "regional" team won't travel too far from its home location for competition. Think getting there by car vs. opting to fly. However, some might infer that a "Regional" team isn't really that good if they aren't willing to travel far enough to prove it. |
While an accurate description of the USA Volleyball divisions, I think another aspect of this is how clubs choose to use these terms to name their teams. For example Maryland Juniors calls their top teams Elite Black, 2nd team Elite Yellow, 3rd team Open Black, 4th team Open Yellow, then Regional Black/Yellow. Other clubs use different terminology or the same words to have different meanings. Liberty Elite calls their top teams National. Metro uses the term Travel which is even less helpful. Some clubs use color schemes that you just have to figure out (the St James or MOJO). Some bigger clubs from other parts of the country use a sponsor name, like Adidas or Mizuno to designate their top teams. I think it is safe to say that if a team is called regional it’s usually a lower level team that plays more local tournaments. Unfortunately, there isn’t tons of consistency in how teams are named across clubs so sometimes you just have to do a little online sleuthing to figure it out. |