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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wouldn’t having multiple levels per club take care of this?  For example, Maryland Juniors has three club levels (Elite, Open, and Regional) with two teams per club.  That’s SIX clubs.  Can’t Metro create more Travel level teams instead of just one Travel and multiple Regional teams?[/quote]

Paramount has been the only club that has had regional success with their "2nd" teams. Paramount qualified their 14-2 team last year and their 15-2 team this year. Metro's 2nd teams are local teams that aren't even competitive within the region. Their only focus is their travel teams. There isn't enough talent in the area for their to be three true open level clubs, and to have multiple teams in an age group that have a chance to earn bids takes a lot of work (and a lot of great coaches)[/quote]
Isn't the 15-2 from this year mostly the 14-2 team from last year? I don't expect Paramount to bleed a lot of players, so have the players shuffled between the two 15 teams? I am not familiar with their roster and I don't want to do research - I am hoping that someone is familiar with their rosters. [/quote]

I dont think I saw any player move up from paramount 2’s team to 1’s. Paramount 1’s team seems to recruit players outside of their club. Same as metro- I don’t see metro regional players moving to travel. [/quote]

Paramount claims that both of their teams are travel teams, so they don't really have a 1s team and a 2s team. [/quote]
I don’t doubt that is what the club says, but there is very clearly a 1s and a 2s team. Whichever team went to Triple Crown and more qualifiers is the 1s team. [/quote]

Both of Paramount's 15s teams went to triple crown this year.  But there is definitely a 1s and a 2s team! The 15-2 team returned about 2/3 of their team from last year. They lost 5 players and added 5 new players. They are clearly Paramount's best 2s team and may be an outlier - they finished 3rd at regionals behind Metro and Paramount 1s team. The other Paramount 2s teams finished towards the bottom of the standings at regionals though they are still arguably more competitive than 2s teams at most other clubs, except maybe MVSA.[/quote]

Paramount’s 2nd teams did well at Regionals, generally finishing ahead of VAJRS, VAE and other similar clubs, so I’m not sure where you get that most of them finished near the bottom. Moreover, Bid Regionals are actually getting harder just to even get into (ask VAE, who had multiple teams denied entry), so the fact that every single Paramount team gained acceptance into bid regionals in an accomplishment in and of itself (the 18s division was the only division that Metro was able to get a 2nd team into).

For example: 13 Tate finished tied for 5th (tied with MDJRS and MVSA’s top teams, and finishing ahead of VA Juniors). 14 Anderson finished tied for 7th (same place as MVSA’s 1’s team and 4 spots ahead of VAE). 15 Cruz finished 3rd overall (ahead of MDJRS and VAJRS). 16 Allorie finished last place, so I get that one. 11 Sadie and 12 Maggie both finished in last place, but in those age groups all the players in thearea are just learning how to play. [/quote]

Getting in to bid regionals is definitely harder than it was even a few years ago, especially since they went to the 12 team format with 3 team pools. Generally, the teams that get into bid regionals are the better teams, but there are always good teams (and clubs) that choose not to compete for a bid.  Blue Ridge is the best example most years, but this year there were a lot of teams that opted not to go to USAV bids for one reason or another. In 15s there were ~9 teams that have high national ranks that didn't register for CHRVA bids. These days AAU nationals can be more competitive in certain brackets, and some clubs/teams just don't want to play through early July so they opt for AAU in Orlando instead.  Or they just end their season at the end of May and forgo nationals.

Also, performance in a one-day tournament does not tell you much about team quality. For example, to place 5th in the 13s you had to win one match (either in pool play or in the play-in round to get to the quarters) -- out of 3 matches.  To get a bid, the teams had to win at least 3 out of 5.  The same was true of the 16s.  For the 14 & 15s, you came in fifth if you won 2 matches out of 4, but had to win at least 3 to get to the semis, and bids generally went to teams that won 4 (with some going to 3 win teams). Just look at the 18s, were Metro didn't even qualify for a CHRVA bid, but earned an Open bid a few weeks later.

[quote=Anonymous]
I feel like these people cannot imagine that most of us don't care about their bids. They look at any volleyball thread as another opportunity to discuss their top teams and their D1 recruits. They turn every volleyball thread into a useless debate on which team is the best in the region as if everybody must care about that. [/quote]
Completely agree. Its just marketing.  On this thread/board a lot of it is club staff using anonymous accounts to pump up their club or parents that are big fans of the club their DD plays for.   There's nothing wrong with being proud of your club but generally the Metro Travel and Paramount fans are hyper-focused on repeatedly explaining why their club is the best in the region.  It sucks the oxygen out of every discussion.  There are many, many players from other clubs that are also playing in college - in fact for this graduating class there are more college commits playing for other clubs than there are playing for Metro or Paramount.  And if you are just interested in HS volleyball, the vast majority of HS players play for other clubs as well.

It helps to remember that at each age level there are only 3 teams between Metro Travel and Paramount, with a maximum of 45 players. But in CHRVA there are 1200-1800 players in each age group. There are lots of other good players, good coaches and good clubs. Find the club and coach that matches what you want, and enjoy it. [/quote]

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