Idaho Murder Suspect Bryan Kohberger - arrest warrant affadavit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think they went to bed, because it was 4 ish and got up later. Seeing random people in the house, ordering food, being up at thar timr probably was a normal night there.
Did the girls indicate what they did from the time of hearing all that and seeing a masked man? When did they see the carnage?

The info coming out is vague and disconnected.

Exactly. From what we know, nothing she heard or saw was enough to call the cops. What would she have even said? That she heard her roommates talking upstairs and a man she didn’t know just left?

Even if she felt spooked that night, that doesn’t mean she should have called cops. I feel spooked a lot at night but don’t call the police.

[Anonymous]

OMG are we still talking about the roomate?

I'm not even saying this for the purpose of defending her. But continuing to discuss her actions back and forth is just...boring and pointless.

[Anonymous]

As the killer returned the next morning, do you think he purposely left two roommates alive in hopes one of them would’ve called 911 by then or do you think he returned to get the knife sheath he left behind? Do you think he went back into the crime scene since the doors would’ve still been unlocked?

Who would he have expected to call 911 in a home full of college kids on a Sunday morning before 10am? He had to have known someone was going to discover them.

I partially don’t think he ever planned to kill the other two in order to make sure he could watch the scene unfold when they discovered the deceased roommates. I read on Reddit that his bloody shoe print was right outside the bedroom doorway of the roommate who saw him on his way out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The focus and obsessions on this thread and the corresponding one on Websleuths could not be more different. They are much better at staying on topic (likely due to moderation of the site.)

I know. The other forums mainly discuss the logistics of the crime and how the police caught the guy/what the trial will be like. DCUM has to blame the guy's parents for raising him and blame the roommate for her reaction to a horrifying situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The focus and obsessions on this thread and the corresponding one on Websleuths could not be more different. They are much better at staying on topic (likely due to moderation of the site.)

I know. The other forums mainly discuss the logistics of the crime and how the police caught the guy/what the trial will be like. DCUM has to blame the guy's parents for raising him and blame the roommate for her reaction to a horrifying situation.

I don't know why people keep reading the ongoing discussion of the roommate as placing blame on her. Her reaction is an interesting topic. It's interesting to analyze human behaviors. This is a discussion forum. A place where people bounce thoughts and ideas off each other and debate things. Why can't something that is unusual and full of layers like what the roommate did or didn't do be discussed?

I don't see the blame people are complaining about. It can be both true that people want to discuss the weirdness of her situation and realize it didn't change the outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The focus and obsessions on this thread and the corresponding one on Websleuths could not be more different. They are much better at staying on topic (likely due to moderation of the site.)

I know. The other forums mainly discuss the logistics of the crime and how the police caught the guy/what the trial will be like. DCUM has to blame the guy's parents for raising him and blame the roommate for her reaction to a horrifying situation.

+1

The room mate thing has been beat. to. death.

[Anonymous]

I know. The other forums mainly discuss the logistics of the crime and how the police caught the guy/what the trial will be like. DCUM has to blame the guy's parents for raising him and blame the roommate for her reaction to a horrifying situation.

Yeah, and unfortunately it’s very typical for people to tragedy this way so they feel like if they were 8n that situation, they’d “get it right”—not raise a murderer, call 911 and save the day, etc. It is an unconscious way people feel less threatened by the randomness of violence and trauma.

I feel so awful for the survivors, particularly the witness. This kind of crappy response (it’s all over social media) is certainly getting back to them. I hope they have great support in friends and family to get through this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The roommate story makes total sense to me. If you’re sleeping in a college group house when your roommates are still going out and partying, it would be normal to hear things and see random people leaving. Even the crying, I feel like I might have sent a text but not rushed out of my room if I was asleep. There’s no way you would imagine something like this had happened. And then the delay I could see just being from them sleeping in and assuming others were sleeping or out.

I agree with you. But it bothered her enough that she got out of bed, opened the door, and peered into the hallway THREE times.

It’s likely she hid in her room and passed out (as one does after drinking no judgement). It wouldn’t be totally weird to wake up the next morning thinking it was something you imagined … once you were sober. The poor kid.

Drinking until you pass out is not a good thing anywhere.

You don’t have to be black out drunk to find the whole thing confusing and just go to sleep. Also lots of kids do it and turn out to be fine, upstanding citizens.

No one knows how much they drank. Lots of alcohol obsessed kids are raped and traumatized. If your child has a propensity to get drunk or do drugs, it seems insane to send them off to college where you don’t have a clue what’s going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they went to bed, because it was 4 ish and got up later. Seeing random people in the house, ordering food, being up at thar timr probably was a normal night there.
Did the girls indicate what they did from the time of hearing all that and seeing a masked man? When did they see the carnage?

The info coming out is vague and disconnected.

Exactly. From what we know, nothing she heard or saw was enough to call the cops. What would she have even said? That she heard her roommates talking upstairs and a man she didn’t know just left?

Even if she felt spooked that night, that doesn’t mean she should have called cops. I feel spooked a lot at night but don’t call the police.

Just curious, do you feel spooked before or after you see a man in a ski mask walking down your hallway?

[Anonymous]

It was never described as a ski mask. It was a mask that covered the mouth and nose. Like a surgical mask many people wore for the better part of a year or more

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think they went to bed, because it was 4 ish and got up later. Seeing random people in the house, ordering food, being up at thar timr probably was a normal night there.
Did the girls indicate what they did from the time of hearing all that and seeing a masked man? When did they see the carnage?

The info coming out is vague and disconnected.

Exactly. From what we know, nothing she heard or saw was enough to call the cops. What would she have even said? That she heard her roommates talking upstairs and a man she didn’t know just left?

Even if she felt spooked that night, that doesn’t mean she should have called cops. I feel spooked a lot at night but don’t call the police.

Just curious, do you feel spooked before or after you see a man in a ski mask walking down your hallway?

In college, if up at 4am eating pizza or whatever, I was often probably not in a clear state of mind after partying.

[Anonymous]

I don't see the blame people are complaining about. It can be both true that people want to discuss the weirdness of her situation and realize it didn't change the outcome.

Well, these seem pretty blaming:

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

And plenty more focus on her failing, in some way, to do enough, to know that the noises she heard were murders, when we don't know anything about what she thought or why 911 was not called until the next day. There has been lots of discussion about the sounds and the implication is that she should have known that they were indications off a violent struggle. There is an assumption that she simply chose not to help, which while not blaming her for the deaths is certainly calling her out for being callous and uncaring:

I am not saying she should have jumped to calling the police. But to say you were frozen in fear (your inner survival mode is kicking in here telling you something is wrong) and then just lock yourself in your bedroom without texting or calling your roommates to see whats going on? They were good friends by all accounts and you don't go check on at least the friend down the hall from you? She got up to open her door 3 times based on noises so she was not so drunk to not hear that she couldnt hear people talking down the hallway. No it's not her fault her roomates got murdered but as a parent of the murdered kids, I'd have a lot of questions on why she chose inaction.

NP. I agree with this. I'm trying not to cast judgment on this girl, but many people err on the side of being passive bystanders rather than investigating or caring enough to take action. I've seen it personally in my life and and am deeply bothered by people like in the Lululemon murders who heard screams and were so passive they did nothing. Of course they're not responsible for the deaths. But people who are like this bother me because of their apathy towards others. It's weakness and lack of caring. With that said, I'm trying hard not to judge this girl without knowing really what happened.

[Anonymous]

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I don't see the blame people are complaining about. It can be both true that people want to discuss the weirdness of her situation and realize it didn't change the outcome.

Well, these seem pretty blaming:

And? What if your daughter's roommate did nothing while your kid got murdered. She was safely locked in her room. Her inaction for seven hours inexcusable.

No, I read the evidence. It's heartless to hide in your room like a coward.

And plenty more focus on her failing, in some way, to do enough, to know that the noises she heard were murders, when we don't know anything about what she thought or why 911 was not called until the next day. There has been lots of discussion about the sounds and the implication is that she should have known that they were indications off a violent struggle. There is an assumption that she simply chose not to help, which while not blaming her for the deaths is certainly calling her out for being callous and uncaring:

I am not saying she should have jumped to calling the police. But to say you were frozen in fear (your inner survival mode is kicking in here telling you something is wrong) and then just lock yourself in your bedroom without texting or calling your roommates to see whats going on? They were good friends by all accounts and you don't go check on at least the friend down the hall from you? She got up to open her door 3 times based on noises so she was not so drunk to not hear that she couldnt hear people talking down the hallway. No it's not her fault her roomates got murdered but as a parent of the murdered kids, I'd have a lot of questions on why she chose inaction.

NP. I agree with this. I'm trying not to cast judgment on this girl, but many people err on the side of being passive bystanders rather than investigating or caring enough to take action. I've seen it personally in my life and and am deeply bothered by people like in the Lululemon murders who heard screams and were so passive they did nothing. Of course they're not responsible for the deaths. But people who are like this bother me because of their apathy towards others. It's weakness and lack of caring. With that said, I'm trying hard not to judge this girl without knowing really what happened.

[Anonymous]

What scares me about this case is how quickly he seems to have been able to have attacked the roommates. I know that knife attacks can be very fast but to see the times that investigators have been able to pin down, it's really mind-boggling.

I am also unnerved by how it seems he may have been stalking them for a period of time beforehand. There was a rumor when the crime first occurred that one of the girls might have felt she was being stalked and I wonder if that will turn out to have been him.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t seen this comment yet so I will post- having called 911 a few times for things like a weird smell (gas leak?), a woman crying and appearing distressed with a guy she seemed to know, both outside on the street, a physical altercation outside of my apt - I can say that I have always hesitated due to doubt. Am I really seeing what I am seeing? Is this a legitimate reason to call 911? What if it turns out to be nothing and I’ve bothered the police for no reason?
And I am not in my 20s.
Add youth and inexperience, alcohol, and there may be more hesitation and self questioning regarding how appropriate it is to call 911.
I’m not saying it’s ok. But there is a psychology behind why some people hesitate to alert authorities. It is almost as though they can’t trust their gut feelings.