Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

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It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

That's a bit of moving the goal posts, no?

Obesity itself is the primary health risk. Addressing that is a net health gain. It is a good solution for obesity.

Do you think it's better to be overweight but eating healthy foods (but maybe too much of them)? Or to be average weight but eating a lot of junk?

B is the scientifically correct answer.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

That's a bit of moving the goal posts, no?

Obesity itself is the primary health risk. Addressing that is a net health gain. It is a good solution for obesity.

Do you think it's better to be overweight but eating healthy foods (but maybe too much of them)? Or to be average weight but eating a lot of junk?

That is kind of like asking whether it is better to have low blood pressure or to not smoke. That is not a binary choice. Addressing one is good. Addressing both separately is even better.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

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Anonymous wrote:The stigma against these drugs is very real even if no one wants to believe it. I overheard three coworkers talking at length about it the other day. All normal weight, active people deriding the fact that overweight people can just be lazy and lose weight, joking how they should start eating burgers every day if it doesn’t matter anymore, asking why they’re paying for a gym membership when they could just pay for the shots. It was very weird. There is definitely some bitterness there among some people though I don’t understand why.

I've never heard of these drugs before reading this forum and don't know anyone taking them.

Why would anyone tell you about medication their taking? Who does that?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

No one, what are you talking about? You drinking tonight?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

Drunk?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

Access to grocery stores nearby and time to cook after a 50-60 hour workweek. All this is very well documented.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

No one, what are you talking about? You drinking tonight?

That's basically what you said, but your post was a shit show.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

Access to grocery stores nearby and time to cook after a 50-60 hour workweek. All this is very well documented.

Somehow the grocery stores are close enough for them to load up on junk food lmao

Spoiled Americans don't know how good they've got it.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Diet and exercise absolutely do work when used long term to prevent becoming overweight or to lose small amounts of weight. The problem is the average person doesn’t implement any semblance of a heathy diet and doesn’t exercise, therefore the average person is now overweight or obese. So I guess we are at a point in society where the average person will eat garbage day in day out until they are are fat enough to be obese and have weight related health problems, then they get a script for meds to lose some pounds. I mean, I guess this is better than remaining obese forever for the people that can actually get a script, but this isn’t an awesome way to live either.

+1

It's not really a secret what is going on here.

Every fat person I know says that they have "tried everything." They show up to work with a massive Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. They get a large meat lovers pizza for lunch. Work out today? Nahhh, maybe tomorrow. And the next day they hit up McDonalds for a large value meal. Too lazy to walk inside so they sit in the drive thru line that is wrapped around the building. If these people are "trying" to lose weight, it's a half ass effort at best.

It’s good that they’ll have these drugs to help them lose weight then so we can finally get control of the obesity crisis then!

I guess that is the question - will the drugs help them make better food choices and eat healthy? Or will they still eat the crap but just less of it?

Because if it's the latter, I don't think that's a good solution. What about getting essential nutrition?

Well it’s a better solution than eating crap AND continuing to be overweight, which is the alternative. Not sure what your point is. Making people eat only healthy food is not a viable solution.

Do you have a mysterious disorder that causes you to be allergic to healthy food?

Me, the PP? No. I eat mostly healthy food. Why?

I just wonder what is preventing people from eating healthy food.

No one, what are you talking about? You drinking tonight?

That's basically what you said, but your post was a shit show.

Definitely quote where I said that, because I didn’t.

I said if they’re going to eat junk food anyway (which they will, despite public health’s constant efforts to tell people to eat healthy people won’t stop eating the food that is easy and tastes good. We can’t make people eat healthy food) they might as well take a medication that helps them eat less of it so they will lose weight. Eating less unhealthy food and losing weight is obviously better than eating a lot of unhealthy food and not losing weight. That’s why these drugs are so great.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

What causes obesity?

If you are surprised, then you have bigger issues.

https://www.publichealth.org/public-awareness/obesity/

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Anonymous wrote:The stigma against these drugs is very real even if no one wants to believe it. I overheard three coworkers talking at length about it the other day. All normal weight, active people deriding the fact that overweight people can just be lazy and lose weight, joking how they should start eating burgers every day if it doesn’t matter anymore, asking why they’re paying for a gym membership when they could just pay for the shots. It was very weird. There is definitely some bitterness there among some people though I don’t understand why.

I've never heard of these drugs before reading this forum and don't know anyone taking them.

Why would anyone tell you about medication their taking? Who does that?

I don't know, I have friends who have lost weight and they are excited to tell people how they did it and talk about it. I don't judge and wouldn't judge if they told me they took drugs to do it. I also have many close friends and we share stories and complaints about our health issues, including medicines (fertility, hormones, ADHD, pain pills, etc).

I'm just saying this does not seem to be a well known or significant topic of discussion in real life, things just get blown out of proportion on this forum with crazy accusations and speculation. I don't think most normal weight active people with busy lives would care about this at all. I could see it possibly mentioned as a joke but not like serious bitterness and loss of identity warranting therapy, lol.