How did CBK bag JFK jr?

[Anonymous]

Why are there more posts about Kate than CBK? Stop hijacking the OP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She played hard to get (or maybe was genuinely not interested at first, who knows) which was novel to him. And I wouldn’t say anyone killed by their husband’s foolishness “married well.”

This. He failed at his primary job as a husband.

Thinking he could handle the flight seems like a stereotypical male.

[Anonymous]

She was probably the first woman he’d ever met who wasn’t throwing herself at him, and for once he got to be the one to chase and pursue. Evolutionary biology 101. The rules, why men marry b-tches, why men marry some women and not others… all the same playbook.

Plus he needed to marry a certain type of woman and she had the right optics. Attractive but not hot/sexy in a trashy Hollywood way, came from some money and had a successful career so she wasn’t giving gold digger.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kate and CBK weren’t really alike. Kate pursued William pretty steadfastly. CBK played it a lot cooler whether it was authentic or strategic.

Also think JFK jr. was older and more ready to commit than William was. Different dynamics… but I was a kid when JFK jr passed away, so this is just my impression based on what I’ve read after the fact.

Me again, thinking more about it, my analysis is that JFK jr was much more in love or besotted with Carolyn than William has ever been with Kate. With William you get the sense that he is bored or always feels he could have found a better match in some way. And I don’t sadly jfk jr and CBK passed away before their marriage was telling in any very long term kind of way.

But long story short I think jfk jr loved CBK more than she loved him and I think Kate loves/needs William more than he thinks he loves or needs her. William is more complicated because he has to stay married for image sake. And I’m sure he resents that and kind of projects it onto Kate. But what do I know - hopefully they’re happy.

I disagree.

I think William was attracted to Kate, her loving family, and the fact that she demonstrated she was in it for the long haul. I suspect he desperately wanted a wife who would provide a loving home for him and his children as well as someone strong enough to add value rather than require hand-holding. They seem to be a very good match. I really don’t understand all the dcum speculation about him not loving her. They seem really committed.

JFK Jr seemed to be really immature, self-centered, and needy. While he was obviously spoiled and easily bored by women who threw themselves at him, he seemed to be interested in the chase CBK laid out for him by simply following The Rules that were popular in the 90s. Plus, the timing worked in her favor: he was reeling from the death of his bossy pants mother and he probably latched onto CBK more quickly than he might have under different circumstances.

I think JFK Jr was attracted to her personality/behavior—perhaps the challenge and Chase she presented. While she wasn’t ugly, she really wasn’t gorgeous. He was way hotter than she was. Look at her nose and odd facial features. They were known to have passionate fights in public, and he probably got off on that.

Anyway, there’s no way the JFK Jr marriage would have lasted. She probably would have been the one to leave. He probably wanted a wife who would give him kids and enjoy being a mother, and she didn’t seem mature enough for that. She seemed self-centered just like him.

DP. This honestly is a very American lens to put over William/Kate dynamic. The people in the royal family truly believe that they are better than people that are not a part of the aristocracy. That’s why you end up with someone like Prince Andrew, who can get arrested in claim, but I’m the son of the queen or you have someone like Charles who would think nothing of basically marrying a 19-year-old that he did not love to be his broodmare. The joke about Williams’s parents was that Diana’s blood was even bluer than his father’s. William spent his whole youth dating and attempting to walk down someone from the social class that he was raised in and ultimately had no takers. So he married someone outside of his class at 30. He might have done that from a place of love even though they broke up multiple times for him to pursue other women but he almost certainly views her as needing to be grateful for tha choice. So from our perspective as Americans, we see a family that was financially comfortable and seemingly stable and a woman that is much better looking than her partner tend to view everything through that. But I guess it really comes down to if you think that someone can be raised to be a good spouse in the sort of system where their father and grandfather and great grandfather before them have cheated, and where their position in life and importance in the family is based on birth order. If you look at all of the divorces amongst the queen’s children, it does not seem that it’s possible, but who knows.

Agee that jfk and cbk would not have lasted. I think CBK would really have struggled with the power imbalance that would have resulted from her being pregnant/a mom.

Cheating is not at all limited to royalty. A quick perusal of DCUM relationship forum would show as much. People cheat across the entire SES range.

At this point, I think that William definitely needs Kate more than she needs him. The BRF is in a deep crisis and has a dire shortage of positive role models. Kate brings stability, loyalty, motherhood and good looks all wrapped up and poised to be Queen. People like her. If William let this marriage break down, it would doom the monarchy. I think they are both perfectly aware of that. The consequences of divorce would be much more dire for William and BRF than for Kate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He married up, and killed her and her brilliant sister because of his ego and deep, deep stupidity.

This

[Anonymous]

Thoughts:
- CBK is not technically beautiful if we look at nose dimensions, etc. But she has a certain presence and style that is dynamic.
- She was completely unprepared for the marriage in terms of lack of privacy and Kennedy family dynamics.
- Her old boyfriend, the CK underwear stud was her escape from marriage pressure, though he seems like an ass.
- JFK did not seem like the smartest guy around and the last minutes of that plane ride must have been sheer panic and screaming. It's an airplane, you idiot. Why would you take it up on a bad weather night when you had to make two landings and have a leg cast?

As for Meghan and Harry, she is a very good looking woman who has him totally whooped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thoughts:
- CBK is not technically beautiful if we look at nose dimensions, etc. But she has a certain presence and style that is dynamic.
- She was completely unprepared for the marriage in terms of lack of privacy and Kennedy family dynamics.
- Her old boyfriend, the CK underwear stud was her escape from marriage pressure, though he seems like an ass.
- JFK did not seem like the smartest guy around and the last minutes of that plane ride must have been sheer panic and screaming. It's an airplane, you idiot. Why would you take it up on a bad weather night when you had to make two landings and have a leg cast?

As for Meghan and Harry, she is a very good looking woman who has him totally whooped.

They call it “dark terror.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think she used "The Rules." That was the heyday of that stuff. I thought if this when watching the show. Came out in '95.

It worked for me . lol. I met my husband in 1996. We were engaged a year later. He was a very hot commodity.

[Anonymous]

One thing that really strikes me when I look at old photos of Carolyn, both before and after she started dating John, is what her upkeep for her appearance must have cost. Her hair alone would have been in the thousands every year -- she had one of the most perfect blondes ever, the kind that requires one of the really skilled master colorists. I bet women must have been walking into salons with her photo for years looking for that color and tone. Better than Gwyneth's and GOOP was definitely a NY blonde icon at that time.

But it's not just the hair. Obviously she worked in fashion so her clothes are impeccable but it's the details. I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to achieve that aesthetic, where it looks so basic and simple but it's perfect. Perfect red lip. Perfect accessories. Every piece of clothing tailored -- I think she likely got t shirts and jeans tailored even. For a non-celeb without a trust fund to accomplish that is frankly really impressive. And she did it while working a fairly demanding job -- fashion PR is long hours and a lot of travel.

It seems superficial, because it is, but it also demonstrates the lengths she was willing to go to in order to achieve what she wanted. It shows real discipline, eye for detail, restraint.

Based on her look alone, it doesn't surprise me she wound up marrying the most eligible bachelor of the decade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One thing that really strikes me when I look at old photos of Carolyn, both before and after she started dating John, is what her upkeep for her appearance must have cost. Her hair alone would have been in the thousands every year -- she had one of the most perfect blondes ever, the kind that requires one of the really skilled master colorists. I bet women must have been walking into salons with her photo for years looking for that color and tone. Better than Gwyneth's and GOOP was definitely a NY blonde icon at that time.

But it's not just the hair. Obviously she worked in fashion so her clothes are impeccable but it's the details. I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to achieve that aesthetic, where it looks so basic and simple but it's perfect. Perfect red lip. Perfect accessories. Every piece of clothing tailored -- I think she likely got t shirts and jeans tailored even. For a non-celeb without a trust fund to accomplish that is frankly really impressive. And she did it while working a fairly demanding job -- fashion PR is long hours and a lot of travel.

It seems superficial, because it is, but it also demonstrates the lengths she was willing to go to in order to achieve what she wanted. It shows real discipline, eye for detail, restraint.

Based on her look alone, it doesn't surprise me she wound up marrying the most eligible bachelor of the decade.

Eh, not quite.

I had a relative who worked in fashion in the 90s before she got married.

Young, thin, and fashion savvy goes a very long way.

Like Carolyn, she had gorgeous hair, great skin, thin (but my relative has great boobs), etc. and clothes just look great on her.

When she was young and in fashion, she mixed expensive pieces with off the rack from places like Gap, JCrew, Banana, etc. And she rarely needed to tailor anything. Some people are just lucky like that.

And my relative is still very fashion savvy but it comes across as effortless. She mostly wears simple, elegant clothes that are classic and basic. Jewelry is high quality and expensive but looks very classic. I know that she needs to tailor some things now, but she says it’s because the overall quality of clothing has simply gone down.

My relative is quite affluent now (married well). She’s the person that everyone says looks effortlessly beautiful and always dresses for the event. At low key fun events, she looks cool. At dressy events, she looks the most elegant.

[Anonymous]

Old money dudes always marry women with this look. Tall, slim, kind of horsey looking (not saying that in a mean way -CBK was prettier than I am - just don’t know how else to describe the look), elegant/classic style.

They don’t marry the hot bombshells (that’s who they cheat with).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Old money dudes always marry women with this look. Tall, slim, kind of horsey looking (not saying that in a mean way -CBK was prettier than I am - just don’t know how else to describe the look), elegant/classic style.

They don’t marry the hot bombshells (that’s who they cheat with).

Counterpoint, new-ish money marries the hot bombshell. See Jeff Bezos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thoughts:
- CBK is not technically beautiful if we look at nose dimensions, etc. But she has a certain presence and style that is dynamic.
- She was completely unprepared for the marriage in terms of lack of privacy and Kennedy family dynamics.
- Her old boyfriend, the CK underwear stud was her escape from marriage pressure, though he seems like an ass.
- JFK did not seem like the smartest guy around and the last minutes of that plane ride must have been sheer panic and screaming. It's an airplane, you idiot. Why would you take it up on a bad weather night when you had to make two landings and have a leg cast?

As for Meghan and Harry, she is a very good looking woman who has him totally whooped.

JFK was reckless and had a death wish. He almost died many times before. Once she CBK fully understood this, she wanted out, but she got on the stupid plane for one last Kennedy wedding against her intuition, having refused to fly with him in the past. JFK was only a surface catch. He was ultimately her death sentence. She chose wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One thing that really strikes me when I look at old photos of Carolyn, both before and after she started dating John, is what her upkeep for her appearance must have cost. Her hair alone would have been in the thousands every year -- she had one of the most perfect blondes ever, the kind that requires one of the really skilled master colorists. I bet women must have been walking into salons with her photo for years looking for that color and tone. Better than Gwyneth's and GOOP was definitely a NY blonde icon at that time.

But it's not just the hair. Obviously she worked in fashion so her clothes are impeccable but it's the details. I don't think people appreciate how hard it is to achieve that aesthetic, where it looks so basic and simple but it's perfect. Perfect red lip. Perfect accessories. Every piece of clothing tailored -- I think she likely got t shirts and jeans tailored even. For a non-celeb without a trust fund to accomplish that is frankly really impressive. And she did it while working a fairly demanding job -- fashion PR is long hours and a lot of travel.

It seems superficial, because it is, but it also demonstrates the lengths she was willing to go to in order to achieve what she wanted. It shows real discipline, eye for detail, restraint.

Based on her look alone, it doesn't surprise me she wound up marrying the most eligible bachelor of the decade.

Eh, not quite.

I had a relative who worked in fashion in the 90s before she got married.

Young, thin, and fashion savvy goes a very long way.

Like Carolyn, she had gorgeous hair, great skin, thin (but my relative has great boobs), etc. and clothes just look great on her.

When she was young and in fashion, she mixed expensive pieces with off the rack from places like Gap, JCrew, Banana, etc. And she rarely needed to tailor anything. Some people are just lucky like that.

And my relative is still very fashion savvy but it comes across as effortless. She mostly wears simple, elegant clothes that are classic and basic. Jewelry is high quality and expensive but looks very classic. I know that she needs to tailor some things now, but she says it’s because the overall quality of clothing has simply gone down.

My relative is quite affluent now (married well). She’s the person that everyone says looks effortlessly beautiful and always dresses for the event. At low key fun events, she looks cool. At dressy events, she looks the most elegant.

I don't get your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Old money dudes always marry women with this look. Tall, slim, kind of horsey looking (not saying that in a mean way -CBK was prettier than I am - just don’t know how else to describe the look), elegant/classic style.

They don’t marry the hot bombshells (that’s who they cheat with).

Counterpoint, new-ish money marries the hot bombshell. See Jeff Bezos.

His ex was slim and kind of horsey with more "classic style" (not classic like Carolyn but like classy/professional, not trashy and super sexy like Lauren). She was also smart and thoughtful.

I think men are often looking for a "better half" when they are younger and viewing marriage as a necessary and perhaps not totally welcome step towards "settling down." But rich, arrogant men later decide they don't actually need that. They are incorrect, but don't try to tell them that.