FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

If you want to be informed, join one of your community Facebook groups.

Fair Facts is one of the main ones. They are well established and well informed. Their eventual purpose appears to be fighting rezoning, witn lawsuits if necessary.

Many of the local elementary neighborhoods have smaller private groups, focused on advocating against rezoning and sharing information. I believe most of the WSHS neighborhoods have put together various groups. There is at least one in the middle of Fairfax (I think a Woodson elementary school feeder) and a few others.

Talk to your neighbirs to find your page.

They are mostly at the elementary neighborhood, because that is where rezoning will impact the high school rezoning.

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin in it, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you want to be informed, join one of your community Facebook groups.

Fair Facts is one of the main ones. They are well established and well informed. Their eventual purpose appears to be fighting rezoning, witn lawsuits if necessary.

Many of the local elementary neighborhoods have smaller private groups, focused on advocating against rezoning and sharing information. I believe most of the WSHS neighborhoods have put together various groups. There is at least one in the middle of Fairfax (I think a Woodson elementary school feeder) and a few others.

Talk to your neighbirs to find your page.

They are mostly at the elementary neighborhood, because that is where rezoning will impact the high school rezoning.

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin in it, doesn't it?

STFU. If you think it’s about property value, then you haven’t been paying attention.

Stupidest rant I’ve read in a long time here.

[Anonymous]

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin

Good try to shut this down. You clearly don't want discussion and sharing of information. Sadly, most residents probably are not even aware of this boundary event and will be shocked and stunned when they find out.
That's what happened in 2008. But, things are different now. More social media. But, sadly, SB hasn't changed their tactics.

Go read about the behind the doors politics that went on about shutting Clifton Elementary in exchange for something that I forget. (I don't live in that area.) That was also SB's goal for what we now call "equity."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin

Good try to shut this down. You clearly don't want discussion and sharing of information. Sadly, most residents probably are not even aware of this boundary event and will be shocked and stunned when they find out.
That's what happened in 2008. But, things are different now. More social media. But, sadly, SB hasn't changed their tactics.

Go read about the behind the doors politics that went on about shutting Clifton Elementary in exchange for something that I forget. (I don't live in that area.) That was also SB's goal for what we now call "equity."

+1.

Good God, that poster is dumb. She claims it’s only about property value because she doesn’t want to admit that families choose housing based largely on school pyramid, and the school board is sabotaging that choice.

The only people seeking to shut down the discussion are the equity warriors worried about the uproar when the maps are released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin

Good try to shut this down. You clearly don't want discussion and sharing of information. Sadly, most residents probably are not even aware of this boundary event and will be shocked and stunned when they find out.
That's what happened in 2008. But, things are different now. More social media. But, sadly, SB hasn't changed their tactics.

Go read about the behind the doors politics that went on about shutting Clifton Elementary in exchange for something that I forget. (I don't live in that area.) That was also SB's goal for what we now call "equity."

Clifton got closed down in exchange for accelerating West Springfield HS’s renovation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a woman who testified that they need to move students in the name of lower SES families. She also recently testified that the SB should not move her kids’ ES to a different pyramid.

She is one of the worst hypocrites I’ve ever seen. It speaks volumes about the whole boundary review process. No one wants their kids moved, not even the far left parents.

The far left parents want OTHER PEOPLE's kids to be moved. That's the difference.

[Anonymous]

I am a new poster. For me it is about property value. I also am slightly worried about friendships with kids, but where I grew up many of us kids didn’t have continuity between ES to MS to HS in how our neighborhoods were zoned in 1980s (not in VA was OOS), and it was fine. I also sense it will be grandfathered for HS kid and ok I’m if it won’t for ES kid.

But yeah, it’s the economy stupid! That’s the motivator for my preference and when I talk with friends. Let’s be honest. Money is important as that determines my retirement plans. And changing school zoning could impact those plans.

And I’m ok with boundary changes as they do need to be aligned overall better. But to deny my concerns about financial implications or others is flawed thinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a new poster. For me it is about property value. I also am slightly worried about friendships with kids, but where I grew up many of us kids didn’t have continuity between ES to MS to HS in how our neighborhoods were zoned in 1980s (not in VA was OOS), and it was fine. I also sense it will be grandfathered for HS kid and ok I’m if it won’t for ES kid.

But yeah, it’s the economy stupid! That’s the motivator for my preference and when I talk with friends. Let’s be honest. Money is important as that determines my retirement plans. And changing school zoning could impact those plans.

And I’m ok with boundary changes as they do need to be aligned overall better. But to deny my concerns about financial implications or others is flawed thinking.

Too funny that it turns out that the ones who care about property value are okay with boundary changes. Total 180 on OP’s claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a new poster. For me it is about property value. I also am slightly worried about friendships with kids, but where I grew up many of us kids didn’t have continuity between ES to MS to HS in how our neighborhoods were zoned in 1980s (not in VA was OOS), and it was fine. I also sense it will be grandfathered for HS kid and ok I’m if it won’t for ES kid.

But yeah, it’s the economy stupid! That’s the motivator for my preference and when I talk with friends. Let’s be honest. Money is important as that determines my retirement plans. And changing school zoning could impact those plans.

And I’m ok with boundary changes as they do need to be aligned overall better. But to deny my concerns about financial implications or others is flawed thinking.

Too funny that it turns out that the ones who care about property value are okay with boundary changes. Total 180 on OP’s claim.

Property value will increase or decrease based on which side of the boundary change you're on. It's a wash to the county/sb whether those property tax funds are coming from you or your neighbor. Only the homeowner cares about their own property values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a new poster. For me it is about property value. I also am slightly worried about friendships with kids, but where I grew up many of us kids didn’t have continuity between ES to MS to HS in how our neighborhoods were zoned in 1980s (not in VA was OOS), and it was fine. I also sense it will be grandfathered for HS kid and ok I’m if it won’t for ES kid.

But yeah, it’s the economy stupid! That’s the motivator for my preference and when I talk with friends. Let’s be honest. Money is important as that determines my retirement plans. And changing school zoning could impact those plans.

And I’m ok with boundary changes as they do need to be aligned overall better. But to deny my concerns about financial implications or others is flawed thinking.

Too funny that it turns out that the ones who care about property value are okay with boundary changes. Total 180 on OP’s claim.

Property value will increase or decrease based on which side of the boundary change you're on. It's a wash to the county/sb whether those property tax funds are coming from you or your neighbor. Only the homeowner cares about their own property values.

With some moves yes. With other, it may bring everyone down. Try to fill MVHS is a way that doesn't also make the school losing students substantially worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a new poster. For me it is about property value. I also am slightly worried about friendships with kids, but where I grew up many of us kids didn’t have continuity between ES to MS to HS in how our neighborhoods were zoned in 1980s (not in VA was OOS), and it was fine. I also sense it will be grandfathered for HS kid and ok I’m if it won’t for ES kid.

But yeah, it’s the economy stupid! That’s the motivator for my preference and when I talk with friends. Let’s be honest. Money is important as that determines my retirement plans. And changing school zoning could impact those plans.

And I’m ok with boundary changes as they do need to be aligned overall better. But to deny my concerns about financial implications or others is flawed thinking.

Too funny that it turns out that the ones who care about property value are okay with boundary changes. Total 180 on OP’s claim.

Property value will increase or decrease based on which side of the boundary change you're on. It's a wash to the county/sb whether those property tax funds are coming from you or your neighbor. Only the homeowner cares about their own property values.

With some moves yes. With other, it may bring everyone down. Try to fill MVHS is a way that doesn't also make the school losing students substantially worse.

+1. It’s unlikely that papering over a high farms school to make it slightly less high farms is going to move the needle in property value in these areas. It’ll certainly bring down property values for households moved. Those arguing for boundary moves in the name of their own selfish dream of a slight increase in their own property values are scum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you want to be informed, join one of your community Facebook groups.

Fair Facts is one of the main ones. They are well established and well informed. Their eventual purpose appears to be fighting rezoning, witn lawsuits if necessary.

Many of the local elementary neighborhoods have smaller private groups, focused on advocating against rezoning and sharing information. I believe most of the WSHS neighborhoods have put together various groups. There is at least one in the middle of Fairfax (I think a Woodson elementary school feeder) and a few others.

Talk to your neighbirs to find your page.

They are mostly at the elementary neighborhood, because that is where rezoning will impact the high school rezoning.

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin in it, doesn't it?

Totally agree, with all of this. I’ll be so glad when this process is finished and we can move on to arguing about something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you want to be informed, join one of your community Facebook groups.

Fair Facts is one of the main ones. They are well established and well informed. Their eventual purpose appears to be fighting rezoning, witn lawsuits if necessary.

Many of the local elementary neighborhoods have smaller private groups, focused on advocating against rezoning and sharing information. I believe most of the WSHS neighborhoods have put together various groups. There is at least one in the middle of Fairfax (I think a Woodson elementary school feeder) and a few others.

Talk to your neighbirs to find your page.

They are mostly at the elementary neighborhood, because that is where rezoning will impact the high school rezoning.

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin in it, doesn't it?

You seem to assume the attendance islands were all created to “gerrymander” kids into wealthier schools. In fact, there are valid historical reasons for some of the attendance islands; getting rid of some them would reduce diversity at certain schools; and the areas whose developers may have cut a deal many decades ago to attend a particular school are not islands but instead part of the school’s contiguous boundaries (so is it really worth changing boundaries now, when enrollments are expected to decline in the coming years).

But I’m sure it felt good to ignore these nuances and shill for the School Board here. They are counting on low-information partisans like you to do their dirty work. You get a rush out of being seen as “progressive,” but it’s clear that most of you are as committed to maintaining your own boundaries (just listen to that ridiculous hypocrite from Mantua prattle on) as anyone else. It’s just other people’s kids you get off on moving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If you want to be informed, join one of your community Facebook groups.

Fair Facts is one of the main ones. They are well established and well informed. Their eventual purpose appears to be fighting rezoning, witn lawsuits if necessary.

Many of the local elementary neighborhoods have smaller private groups, focused on advocating against rezoning and sharing information. I believe most of the WSHS neighborhoods have put together various groups. There is at least one in the middle of Fairfax (I think a Woodson elementary school feeder) and a few others.

Talk to your neighbirs to find your page.

They are mostly at the elementary neighborhood, because that is where rezoning will impact the high school rezoning.

Oh dear god. This is out of control. Yes, rezoning is tough but ultimately it's a good thing and the right thing to do to remove attendance island and have shorter bus rides for children. I'm all for neighborhood schools. The gerrymandering of boundaries that occurred in the past to get one block or one neighborhood into a "highly rated school" was absurd. This is going to change that and make neighborhood schools neighborhood schools again. Yes, I know it may impact your child and their friends, hopefully there will be some grandfathering in for kids, especially in high school.

But we all know what this is REALLY about and it's not about your children, it's because you're worried about your property value. That's why these Facebook groups and DCUM have people who don't even have children posting over and over again about this and trying to rile people up and protest. It's not about children for them, it's about $$.

Let's end this thread, because that just about puts a pin in it, doesn't it?

I'd like folks to stop acting like property values don't matter and that homeowners are evil trolls for caring about their assets. You can keep your pin.

[Anonymous]

Love the logic behind the project. Administration has failed to educate all children. So let’s move high performing kids to low performing schools because kids will do a better job than the administration.