MCPS covid cases

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we'll find that annual boosters will be more than sufficient after the third shot, but even if high-risk individuals need 6-month boosters, what's the big deal?

The vaccines are what they are. It would have been nice if they provided sterilizing immunity to further reduce case counts, but at least they're highly effective at reducing severe cases. There's nothing else coming that will significantly chance the course of the COVID- as has been discussed at length, it's not going to simply go away no matter what we do. So if the vaccine isn't enough to go back to normal, I don't think anything would be. And I don't think there are many people out there that would seriously suggest we continue masks, physical distancing, quarantines, and other NPIs forever.

There might also be anti-viral medications.

However, the county case, hospitalization, and fatality data from August and September demonstrate the effectiveness of the vaccines - and that's with a 0% vaccination rate for kids under 12. Highly vaccinated places, like Montgomery County, avoided the delta disaster experienced by places with low vaccination rates.

I don't know why that PP is such a vaccine-distruster.

There is no way I'll be taking a booster. There are several medications that look promising for treatment BUT we can also help curb covid with behavior but since that will never happen hopefully these new medications will work.

If you’re worried about Covid, why in the world wouldn’t you get a booster?

But I’m glad you recognize NPIs like masking and quarantines aren’t going to work.

Because I was very sick for several months after the second shot. Neither of my two neurologists or primary care would authorize it for me even if I wanted it nor would the clinic give it to me as its in my medical records about the reactions. It was a mistake taking the shot in the first place but I got pushed into it by my spouse who pushed the clinic into giving to to me despite their concerns.

Masking and quarantines don't work BECAUSE people refuse to follow them. They have worked very well in other countries.

If you simply said you had a reaction, then I would have mostly believed you.

But taking the next step to saying your doctors told you not to get vaccinated over some sort of neurological condition strains credibility. Either you’re lying about that, or you’re not seeing legitimate doctors. There are no neurological conditions that are contraindications to Covid vaccination. There are some drugs/treatments they might want to time with Covid vaccination. And they might want to more closely monitor for reactions. But all of the medical associations and advocacy groups agree the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, even in patients with neurological conditions.

That being said, regardless of whether you had a physiological or psychological reaction to the vaccine, I can understand why you're now freaking out. Public policy isn't made based on edge bases, and we're very close to dropping all Covid mitigations because the vast majority of people will soon be as protected as they're ever going to get based on vaccination or infection. We're not going to keep masking requirements, social distancing/capacity restrictions, or quarantine procedures for healthy kids forever.

They will not authorize a booster. It is sad people like you are against masking, the most basic precaution as you are selfish and don’t care about anyone but yourself. The high schools, where most kids are vaccinated and there is no testing, has positives. This spreads because of people like you. We could have it under control.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we'll find that annual boosters will be more than sufficient after the third shot, but even if high-risk individuals need 6-month boosters, what's the big deal?

The vaccines are what they are. It would have been nice if they provided sterilizing immunity to further reduce case counts, but at least they're highly effective at reducing severe cases. There's nothing else coming that will significantly chance the course of the COVID- as has been discussed at length, it's not going to simply go away no matter what we do. So if the vaccine isn't enough to go back to normal, I don't think anything would be. And I don't think there are many people out there that would seriously suggest we continue masks, physical distancing, quarantines, and other NPIs forever.

There might also be anti-viral medications.

However, the county case, hospitalization, and fatality data from August and September demonstrate the effectiveness of the vaccines - and that's with a 0% vaccination rate for kids under 12. Highly vaccinated places, like Montgomery County, avoided the delta disaster experienced by places with low vaccination rates.

I don't know why that PP is such a vaccine-distruster.

There is no way I'll be taking a booster. There are several medications that look promising for treatment BUT we can also help curb covid with behavior but since that will never happen hopefully these new medications will work.

If you’re worried about Covid, why in the world wouldn’t you get a booster?

But I’m glad you recognize NPIs like masking and quarantines aren’t going to work.

Because I was very sick for several months after the second shot. Neither of my two neurologists or primary care would authorize it for me even if I wanted it nor would the clinic give it to me as its in my medical records about the reactions. It was a mistake taking the shot in the first place but I got pushed into it by my spouse who pushed the clinic into giving to to me despite their concerns.

Masking and quarantines don't work BECAUSE people refuse to follow them. They have worked very well in other countries.

If you simply said you had a reaction, then I would have mostly believed you.

But taking the next step to saying your doctors told you not to get vaccinated over some sort of neurological condition strains credibility. Either you’re lying about that, or you’re not seeing legitimate doctors. There are no neurological conditions that are contraindications to Covid vaccination. There are some drugs/treatments they might want to time with Covid vaccination. And they might want to more closely monitor for reactions. But all of the medical associations and advocacy groups agree the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, even in patients with neurological conditions.

That being said, regardless of whether you had a physiological or psychological reaction to the vaccine, I can understand why you're now freaking out. Public policy isn't made based on edge bases, and we're very close to dropping all Covid mitigations because the vast majority of people will soon be as protected as they're ever going to get based on vaccination or infection. We're not going to keep masking requirements, social distancing/capacity restrictions, or quarantine procedures for healthy kids forever.

They will not authorize a booster. It is sad people like you are against masking, the most basic precaution as you are selfish and don’t care about anyone but yourself. The high schools, where most kids are vaccinated and there is no testing, has positives. This spreads because of people like you. We could have it under control.

It spreads at a very low level. Control doesn't mean elimination. In this county, we're not very far away from as good as it gets. Masks will most likely be gone by next school year.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we'll find that annual boosters will be more than sufficient after the third shot, but even if high-risk individuals need 6-month boosters, what's the big deal?

The vaccines are what they are. It would have been nice if they provided sterilizing immunity to further reduce case counts, but at least they're highly effective at reducing severe cases. There's nothing else coming that will significantly chance the course of the COVID- as has been discussed at length, it's not going to simply go away no matter what we do. So if the vaccine isn't enough to go back to normal, I don't think anything would be. And I don't think there are many people out there that would seriously suggest we continue masks, physical distancing, quarantines, and other NPIs forever.

There might also be anti-viral medications.

However, the county case, hospitalization, and fatality data from August and September demonstrate the effectiveness of the vaccines - and that's with a 0% vaccination rate for kids under 12. Highly vaccinated places, like Montgomery County, avoided the delta disaster experienced by places with low vaccination rates.

I don't know why that PP is such a vaccine-distruster.

There is no way I'll be taking a booster. There are several medications that look promising for treatment BUT we can also help curb covid with behavior but since that will never happen hopefully these new medications will work.

If you’re worried about Covid, why in the world wouldn’t you get a booster?

But I’m glad you recognize NPIs like masking and quarantines aren’t going to work.

Because I was very sick for several months after the second shot. Neither of my two neurologists or primary care would authorize it for me even if I wanted it nor would the clinic give it to me as its in my medical records about the reactions. It was a mistake taking the shot in the first place but I got pushed into it by my spouse who pushed the clinic into giving to to me despite their concerns.

Masking and quarantines don't work BECAUSE people refuse to follow them. They have worked very well in other countries.

If you simply said you had a reaction, then I would have mostly believed you.

But taking the next step to saying your doctors told you not to get vaccinated over some sort of neurological condition strains credibility. Either you’re lying about that, or you’re not seeing legitimate doctors. There are no neurological conditions that are contraindications to Covid vaccination. There are some drugs/treatments they might want to time with Covid vaccination. And they might want to more closely monitor for reactions. But all of the medical associations and advocacy groups agree the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, even in patients with neurological conditions.

That being said, regardless of whether you had a physiological or psychological reaction to the vaccine, I can understand why you're now freaking out. Public policy isn't made based on edge bases, and we're very close to dropping all Covid mitigations because the vast majority of people will soon be as protected as they're ever going to get based on vaccination or infection. We're not going to keep masking requirements, social distancing/capacity restrictions, or quarantine procedures for healthy kids forever.

They will not authorize a booster. It is sad people like you are against masking, the most basic precaution as you are selfish and don’t care about anyone but yourself. The high schools, where most kids are vaccinated and there is no testing, has positives. This spreads because of people like you. We could have it under control.

When school opened this year, MoCo was a 7-day average of 104 cases. It's currently 53. The data doesn't support your narrative. This year isn't like last year (regarding restrictions). Next year won't be like this year (even less restrictions). Deal or not.

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They will not authorize a booster. It is sad people like you are against masking, the most basic precaution as you are selfish and don’t care about anyone but yourself. The high schools, where most kids are vaccinated and there is no testing, has positives. This spreads because of people like you. We could have it under control.

What do you mean, there's no testing? My vaccinated high school kid got tested.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we'll find that annual boosters will be more than sufficient after the third shot, but even if high-risk individuals need 6-month boosters, what's the big deal?

The vaccines are what they are. It would have been nice if they provided sterilizing immunity to further reduce case counts, but at least they're highly effective at reducing severe cases. There's nothing else coming that will significantly chance the course of the COVID- as has been discussed at length, it's not going to simply go away no matter what we do. So if the vaccine isn't enough to go back to normal, I don't think anything would be. And I don't think there are many people out there that would seriously suggest we continue masks, physical distancing, quarantines, and other NPIs forever.

There might also be anti-viral medications.

However, the county case, hospitalization, and fatality data from August and September demonstrate the effectiveness of the vaccines - and that's with a 0% vaccination rate for kids under 12. Highly vaccinated places, like Montgomery County, avoided the delta disaster experienced by places with low vaccination rates.

I don't know why that PP is such a vaccine-distruster.

There is no way I'll be taking a booster. There are several medications that look promising for treatment BUT we can also help curb covid with behavior but since that will never happen hopefully these new medications will work.

If you’re worried about Covid, why in the world wouldn’t you get a booster?

But I’m glad you recognize NPIs like masking and quarantines aren’t going to work.

Because I was very sick for several months after the second shot. Neither of my two neurologists or primary care would authorize it for me even if I wanted it nor would the clinic give it to me as its in my medical records about the reactions. It was a mistake taking the shot in the first place but I got pushed into it by my spouse who pushed the clinic into giving to to me despite their concerns.

Masking and quarantines don't work BECAUSE people refuse to follow them. They have worked very well in other countries.

If you simply said you had a reaction, then I would have mostly believed you.

But taking the next step to saying your doctors told you not to get vaccinated over some sort of neurological condition strains credibility. Either you’re lying about that, or you’re not seeing legitimate doctors. There are no neurological conditions that are contraindications to Covid vaccination. There are some drugs/treatments they might want to time with Covid vaccination. And they might want to more closely monitor for reactions. But all of the medical associations and advocacy groups agree the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, even in patients with neurological conditions.

That being said, regardless of whether you had a physiological or psychological reaction to the vaccine, I can understand why you're now freaking out. Public policy isn't made based on edge bases, and we're very close to dropping all Covid mitigations because the vast majority of people will soon be as protected as they're ever going to get based on vaccination or infection. We're not going to keep masking requirements, social distancing/capacity restrictions, or quarantine procedures for healthy kids forever.

There are a number of autoimmune neuro conditions that could contraindicate a vaccination.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we'll find that annual boosters will be more than sufficient after the third shot, but even if high-risk individuals need 6-month boosters, what's the big deal?

The vaccines are what they are. It would have been nice if they provided sterilizing immunity to further reduce case counts, but at least they're highly effective at reducing severe cases. There's nothing else coming that will significantly chance the course of the COVID- as has been discussed at length, it's not going to simply go away no matter what we do. So if the vaccine isn't enough to go back to normal, I don't think anything would be. And I don't think there are many people out there that would seriously suggest we continue masks, physical distancing, quarantines, and other NPIs forever.

There might also be anti-viral medications.

However, the county case, hospitalization, and fatality data from August and September demonstrate the effectiveness of the vaccines - and that's with a 0% vaccination rate for kids under 12. Highly vaccinated places, like Montgomery County, avoided the delta disaster experienced by places with low vaccination rates.

I don't know why that PP is such a vaccine-distruster.

There is no way I'll be taking a booster. There are several medications that look promising for treatment BUT we can also help curb covid with behavior but since that will never happen hopefully these new medications will work.

If you’re worried about Covid, why in the world wouldn’t you get a booster?

But I’m glad you recognize NPIs like masking and quarantines aren’t going to work.

Because I was very sick for several months after the second shot. Neither of my two neurologists or primary care would authorize it for me even if I wanted it nor would the clinic give it to me as its in my medical records about the reactions. It was a mistake taking the shot in the first place but I got pushed into it by my spouse who pushed the clinic into giving to to me despite their concerns.

Masking and quarantines don't work BECAUSE people refuse to follow them. They have worked very well in other countries.

If you simply said you had a reaction, then I would have mostly believed you.

But taking the next step to saying your doctors told you not to get vaccinated over some sort of neurological condition strains credibility. Either you’re lying about that, or you’re not seeing legitimate doctors. There are no neurological conditions that are contraindications to Covid vaccination. There are some drugs/treatments they might want to time with Covid vaccination. And they might want to more closely monitor for reactions. But all of the medical associations and advocacy groups agree the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, even in patients with neurological conditions.

That being said, regardless of whether you had a physiological or psychological reaction to the vaccine, I can understand why you're now freaking out. Public policy isn't made based on edge bases, and we're very close to dropping all Covid mitigations because the vast majority of people will soon be as protected as they're ever going to get based on vaccination or infection. We're not going to keep masking requirements, social distancing/capacity restrictions, or quarantine procedures for healthy kids forever.

There are a number of autoimmune neuro conditions that could contraindicate a vaccination.

Show us evidence of that.

I've seen nothing indicating that people with autoimmune conditions should skip COVID vaccines.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/expert-discusses-autoimmune-diseases-and-covid-19-vaccines/

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There are a number of autoimmune neuro conditions that could contraindicate a vaccination.

Show us evidence of that.

I've seen nothing indicating that people with autoimmune conditions should skip COVID vaccines.

https://www.uchealth.org/today/expert-discusses-autoimmune-diseases-and-covid-19-vaccines/

DP. Maybe the number is 0.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

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99.9% survival rate for people under 60.
Stop politicizing this.
Trump brags about Warp-Speed.
There are treatments already.
The investigational vaccines are leaky.
Many people have been hospitalized, injured, or died from these injections.
Great job MoCo. Do you think your wealth and access to multiple Whole Foods and reduced stress from
Latina housekeepers could contribute to your immune success at all?
I know this is all over the place but you are all so self-congratulatory and insulated.

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. I think we'll find that annual boosters will be more than sufficient after the third shot, but even if high-risk individuals need 6-month boosters, what's the big deal?

The vaccines are what they are. It would have been nice if they provided sterilizing immunity to further reduce case counts, but at least they're highly effective at reducing severe cases. There's nothing else coming that will significantly chance the course of the COVID- as has been discussed at length, it's not going to simply go away no matter what we do. So if the vaccine isn't enough to go back to normal, I don't think anything would be. And I don't think there are many people out there that would seriously suggest we continue masks, physical distancing, quarantines, and other NPIs forever.

There might also be anti-viral medications.

However, the county case, hospitalization, and fatality data from August and September demonstrate the effectiveness of the vaccines - and that's with a 0% vaccination rate for kids under 12. Highly vaccinated places, like Montgomery County, avoided the delta disaster experienced by places with low vaccination rates.

I don't know why that PP is such a vaccine-distruster.

There is no way I'll be taking a booster. There are several medications that look promising for treatment BUT we can also help curb covid with behavior but since that will never happen hopefully these new medications will work.

If you’re worried about Covid, why in the world wouldn’t you get a booster?

But I’m glad you recognize NPIs like masking and quarantines aren’t going to work.

Because I was very sick for several months after the second shot. Neither of my two neurologists or primary care would authorize it for me even if I wanted it nor would the clinic give it to me as its in my medical records about the reactions. It was a mistake taking the shot in the first place but I got pushed into it by my spouse who pushed the clinic into giving to to me despite their concerns.

Masking and quarantines don't work BECAUSE people refuse to follow them. They have worked very well in other countries.

If you simply said you had a reaction, then I would have mostly believed you.

But taking the next step to saying your doctors told you not to get vaccinated over some sort of neurological condition strains credibility. Either you’re lying about that, or you’re not seeing legitimate doctors. There are no neurological conditions that are contraindications to Covid vaccination. There are some drugs/treatments they might want to time with Covid vaccination. And they might want to more closely monitor for reactions. But all of the medical associations and advocacy groups agree the benefits greatly outweigh the risks, even in patients with neurological conditions.

That being said, regardless of whether you had a physiological or psychological reaction to the vaccine, I can understand why you're now freaking out. Public policy isn't made based on edge bases, and we're very close to dropping all Covid mitigations because the vast majority of people will soon be as protected as they're ever going to get based on vaccination or infection. We're not going to keep masking requirements, social distancing/capacity restrictions, or quarantine procedures for healthy kids forever.

They will not authorize a booster. It is sad people like you are against masking, the most basic precaution as you are selfish and don’t care about anyone but yourself. The high schools, where most kids are vaccinated and there is no testing, has positives. This spreads because of people like you. We could have it under control.

I think most people would say we do have it under control in schools. And more broadly under control in places like MoCo with high vax rates. What would "under control" look like to you? We're not going to be able to eradicate COVID. There's going to be a base level of spread, kind of like the flu, the effects of which will be mitigated by vaccines and acquired immunity from infection. Case numbers barely matter now in MoCo, and will matter even less when the pediatric vaccines for younger kids roll out. Yes, there will be cases, since the vaccines aren't perfect, but they're still very effective at reducing the severity of infections.

It will be interesting to see how influenza hospitalizations/deaths compare to COVID hospitalizations/deaths this winter and next in MoCo. Nationwide we'll continue to see a fair number of COVID deaths due to the antivaxxers, but luckily we don't have many of those people in MoCo.

I'm sure I've said this to you before, but I really don't understand what your endgame is.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

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They will not authorize a booster. It is sad people like you are against masking, the most basic precaution as you are selfish and don’t care about anyone but yourself. The high schools, where most kids are vaccinated and there is no testing, has positives. This spreads because of people like you. We could have it under control.

What do you mean, there's no testing? My vaccinated high school kid got tested.

Regular testing or exposure testing?