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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

No one said the vaccines were perfect. No vaccines are.

You're going to need to get used to the idea that cases aren't going away. COVID is going to stay around, but the vaccines will significantly reduce severe cases. Some people aren't going to vaccinate their kids because they don't understand cost-benefit analyses, but even unvaccinated kids are low-risk unless they have complicating health conditions (in which case they really should get vaccinated).

You seem to be stuck in a zero-covid mindset that has never been a real possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

No one said the vaccines were perfect. No vaccines are.

You're going to need to get used to the idea that cases aren't going away. COVID is going to stay around, but the vaccines will significantly reduce severe cases. Some people aren't going to vaccinate their kids because they don't understand cost-benefit analyses, but even unvaccinated kids are low-risk unless they have complicating health conditions (in which case they really should get vaccinated).

You seem to be stuck in a zero-covid mindset that has never been a real possibility.

I have ZERO issue with people choosing not to vaccinate their kids. It is a personal choice and there are no long term studies on these vaccines so the reluctance is reasonable. It isn't going away because people are entitled and selfish and only care about themselves. We have people like you to blame for the continued issues and spread. Basic precautions continue to be very important.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

No one said the vaccines were perfect. No vaccines are.

You're going to need to get used to the idea that cases aren't going away. COVID is going to stay around, but the vaccines will significantly reduce severe cases. Some people aren't going to vaccinate their kids because they don't understand cost-benefit analyses, but even unvaccinated kids are low-risk unless they have complicating health conditions (in which case they really should get vaccinated).

You seem to be stuck in a zero-covid mindset that has never been a real possibility.

I have ZERO issue with people choosing not to vaccinate their kids. It is a personal choice and there are no long term studies on these vaccines so the reluctance is reasonable. It isn't going away because people are entitled and selfish and only care about themselves. We have people like you to blame for the continued issues and spread. Basic precautions continue to be very important.

I know you're freaked out because of your own challenges with chronic health issues and the vaccine, but try to take a deep breath and think about what you're saying.

There's nearly 8 billion people in the world, with no plausible for vaccinating a majority of them in the foreseeable future. And regardless, the vaccines aren't perfect, preventing about 80% of infections, but otherwise remaining quite contagious in the remaining 20%. Masks help a bit, although the available dates suggests that the most common type of face covering- reusable cloth masks- don't do much to reduce transmissions. Quarantines can reduce the risk of continuing transmission chains, but a lot of cases are asymptomatic, never resulting in identification or quarantines.

Given that, there's no plausible way to get to and maintain zero COVID. Even if you somehow managed to get a certain portion of the community to zero cases, it would only be a matter of time before it would be reintroduced from another region. So unless you think it is reasonable and practical to permanently maintain very aggressive and disruptive COVID NPIs along with essentially shutting down our borders, it should be clear even to you that what you're seeking isn't going to happen. And not just because of antivaxxers and antimaskers, but because what it would take is fundamentally incompatible with modern society.

Do you really not see that?

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

And, of course, if you're an unvaccinated person surrounded by vaccinated people, your chances of getting infected are also much lower.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

And, of course, if you're an unvaccinated person surrounded by vaccinated people, your chances of getting infected are also much lower.

That wouldn't apply to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet, but they're already at low risk regardless of vaccination status.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

And, of course, if you're an unvaccinated person surrounded by vaccinated people, your chances of getting infected are also much lower.

That wouldn't apply to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet, but they're already at low risk regardless of vaccination status.

Of course it applies to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

And, of course, if you're an unvaccinated person surrounded by vaccinated people, your chances of getting infected are also much lower.

That wouldn't apply to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet, but they're already at low risk regardless of vaccination status.

Of course it applies to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet.

It would, except that they’re surrounded by other unvaccinated kids.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

And, of course, if you're an unvaccinated person surrounded by vaccinated people, your chances of getting infected are also much lower.

That wouldn't apply to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet, but they're already at low risk regardless of vaccination status.

Of course it applies to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet.

It would, except that they’re surrounded by other unvaccinated kids.

Who are all surrounded by vaccinated people, because the vaccination rate in Montgomery County is very high.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

No one said the vaccines were perfect. No vaccines are.

You're going to need to get used to the idea that cases aren't going away. COVID is going to stay around, but the vaccines will significantly reduce severe cases. Some people aren't going to vaccinate their kids because they don't understand cost-benefit analyses, but even unvaccinated kids are low-risk unless they have complicating health conditions (in which case they really should get vaccinated).

You seem to be stuck in a zero-covid mindset that has never been a real possibility.

I have ZERO issue with people choosing not to vaccinate their kids. It is a personal choice and there are no long term studies on these vaccines so the reluctance is reasonable. It isn't going away because people are entitled and selfish and only care about themselves. We have people like you to blame for the continued issues and spread. Basic precautions continue to be very important.

I know you're freaked out because of your own challenges with chronic health issues and the vaccine, but try to take a deep breath and think about what you're saying.

There's nearly 8 billion people in the world, with no plausible for vaccinating a majority of them in the foreseeable future. And regardless, the vaccines aren't perfect, preventing about 80% of infections, but otherwise remaining quite contagious in the remaining 20%. Masks help a bit, although the available dates suggests that the most common type of face covering- reusable cloth masks- don't do much to reduce transmissions. Quarantines can reduce the risk of continuing transmission chains, but a lot of cases are asymptomatic, never resulting in identification or quarantines.

Given that, there's no plausible way to get to and maintain zero COVID. Even if you somehow managed to get a certain portion of the community to zero cases, it would only be a matter of time before it would be reintroduced from another region. So unless you think it is reasonable and practical to permanently maintain very aggressive and disruptive COVID NPIs along with essentially shutting down our borders, it should be clear even to you that what you're seeking isn't going to happen. And not just because of antivaxxers and antimaskers, but because what it would take is fundamentally incompatible with modern society.

Do you really not see that?

I see a lot of irresponsible people like you rationalizing their bad behavior. We can get a handle on this. People like you choose not to. You are full excuses and no willingness to get it under control. Not all cloth masks are the same. The studies showed that. The multilayer masks with a filter are fine.

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Anonymous wrote:In mcps, that is not relevant. What is relevant is 1/2 the population will not be fully vaccinated for several months and you can still get Covid vaccinated. 1/2 the case ps are vaccinated. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated are to blame for the spread. Vaccinating the remaining adults is not enough.

This again? Yes, you can get covid when vaccinated, but your chances are much, much lower. And if you still do get a breakthrough, you're much less likely to transmit it to someone eise, including your unvaxxed kids.

And, of course, if you're an unvaccinated person surrounded by vaccinated people, your chances of getting infected are also much lower.

That wouldn't apply to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet, but they're already at low risk regardless of vaccination status.

Of course it applies to young kids who can't get vaccinated yet.

It would, except that they’re surrounded by other unvaccinated kids.

Who are all surrounded by vaccinated people, because the vaccination rate in Montgomery County is very high.

MCPS has the bulk of the unvaccinated kids. SO, at least 1/2 or MORE of MCPS is not vaccinated. Vaccinated can still get covid. Great way to minimize the risk. These kids all have siblings at other schools and in other grades. They are all back to life as normal, often with no masking. Its a huge concern.

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MCPS has the bulk of the unvaccinated kids. SO, at least 1/2 or MORE of MCPS is not vaccinated. Vaccinated can still get covid. Great way to minimize the risk. These kids all have siblings at other schools and in other grades. They are all back to life as normal, often with no masking. Its a huge concern.

Vaccinated people are far less likely to become infected and far less likely to transmit the virus to others if they get infected. But you already know that, because people keep telling you this every time you repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat the same misinformation. And yet you keep repeating the same misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

No one said the vaccines were perfect. No vaccines are.

You're going to need to get used to the idea that cases aren't going away. COVID is going to stay around, but the vaccines will significantly reduce severe cases. Some people aren't going to vaccinate their kids because they don't understand cost-benefit analyses, but even unvaccinated kids are low-risk unless they have complicating health conditions (in which case they really should get vaccinated).

You seem to be stuck in a zero-covid mindset that has never been a real possibility.

I have ZERO issue with people choosing not to vaccinate their kids. It is a personal choice and there are no long term studies on these vaccines so the reluctance is reasonable. It isn't going away because people are entitled and selfish and only care about themselves. We have people like you to blame for the continued issues and spread. Basic precautions continue to be very important.

I know you're freaked out because of your own challenges with chronic health issues and the vaccine, but try to take a deep breath and think about what you're saying.

There's nearly 8 billion people in the world, with no plausible for vaccinating a majority of them in the foreseeable future. And regardless, the vaccines aren't perfect, preventing about 80% of infections, but otherwise remaining quite contagious in the remaining 20%. Masks help a bit, although the available dates suggests that the most common type of face covering- reusable cloth masks- don't do much to reduce transmissions. Quarantines can reduce the risk of continuing transmission chains, but a lot of cases are asymptomatic, never resulting in identification or quarantines.

Given that, there's no plausible way to get to and maintain zero COVID. Even if you somehow managed to get a certain portion of the community to zero cases, it would only be a matter of time before it would be reintroduced from another region. So unless you think it is reasonable and practical to permanently maintain very aggressive and disruptive COVID NPIs along with essentially shutting down our borders, it should be clear even to you that what you're seeking isn't going to happen. And not just because of antivaxxers and antimaskers, but because what it would take is fundamentally incompatible with modern society.

Do you really not see that?

I see a lot of irresponsible people like you rationalizing their bad behavior. We can get a handle on this. People like you choose not to. You are full excuses and no willingness to get it under control. Not all cloth masks are the same. The studies showed that. The multilayer masks with a filter are fine.

NP: You are amazingly hard headed. The PP poster just explained that what you think should happen will never happen because of human nature and modern society, ie capitalism and globalization. You come back with the same response people should do better and not be selfish. It is not a rationalization to state facts. You are making an ethical argument, people should care about the others. Yes, they should but they don’t in the real world, which means YOU will have to adjust. Life is not fair.

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Anonymous wrote:One of our schools hasn't started testing yet and just sent out an email stating they are starting this week and it only includes 6th graders as those that are vaccinated aren't eligible. So, what are the demographics on these tests and are they going to provide more information. As of now, its only voluntary testing of unvaccinated. MCPS is putting a huge level of trust in the vaccine which makes no sense as you can still get covid vaccinated.

PP, please get help.

For everyone else -

According to the CDC, overall, in August, unvaccinated people were 6 times more likely to test positive and 11 times more likely to die from covid than vaccinated people. Among people aged 12-17, unvaccinated people were 10 times more likely to test positive; ages 18-29, 6 times more likely to test positive; ages 30-49, 6 times more likely to test positive, 37 times more likely to die from covid (!!!!!!!!!!!!); ages 50-64, 6 times more likely to test positive, 22 times more likely to die from covid; ages 65-79, 6 times more likely to test positive, 15 times more likely to die from covid; ages 80+, 3 times more likely to test positive, 5 times more likely to die from covid.

Does that justify a huge level of trust in the vaccine? Yes, I think it does.

And it has been announced that the vaccines wear off after a few months. Make sure to factor that in to your rants.

wrong! it has been announced that detectable anti-bodies may wear off and this is in high risk and/or older age groups. These studies show nothing about other immune system responses (like T-cells) and do not take immune memory into consideration. Scientists who study this and who have run clinical vaccine trials will tell you that they have seen many many cases where anti-body levels are 0 but as soon as the body is exposed to a familiar pathogen (familiar because of the vaccine), those anti-body levels spike very high sometimes over 10,000. This is immune memory. Still a lot to learn.

Also if it shows efficacy of 80% vs delta for example (pfizer) this will mean that older and/or immuno compromised people will have efficay below that and younger healthier people probably sitll in the 90% +

get vaccinated

Telling people to get vaccinated in MCPS is silly as most of us are. So, given that most everyone is, and we are still having positives, especially in the MS and HS level is concerning. These vaccines help with symptoms but people need to stop pretending like they fully stop covid and behavie more responsibly.

even with 75% of the population in MOCO fully vaccinated, that still leaves 25% or over 250,000 people who are not vaccinated thus why we have relatively elevated cases. we are still doing much much better than almost any other place in the nation and MOCO's low death and case rate throughout this entire crisis is commendable. 725,000 people dead and there's just such a disregard for human life especially among MAGA because of the stock market or the economy or made up "freedom restrictions". Not to mention blue counties and cities are doing much better than their maga counterparts (as is always the case) in the revoery coming out of this because we actually care about lives and realized getting covid under control = better economic recovery.

Moving on, even with a vaccine at 80% efficacy, which is were pfizer is, that still means 1 in 5 will get corona.

80% efficacy does not mean that. It means that the chance of a vaccinated person getting COVID is 80% less than a vaccinated person getting it. What that number is depends on the level of community spread and other factors. It does not mean that 1 in 5 vaccinated people will become infected.

Right. And the pp is forgetting (or at least ignoring) that there are two benefits to vaccination. She addressed the first- protection against infection. But she left out the second- a reduction in severity, even in breakthrough infections.

Honestly, I think it is completely plausible we'll end up in a world where a very large percentage of the population gets COVID each year and it simply blends into all the other respiratory infections that get passed around.

No one is ignoring the benefits. You are ignoring the fact that these vaccines are not 100% and one breakthrough case could cause and outbreak at multiple schools given you can have siblings and staff from one family at different schools. If they were perfect vaccines why are we having so many cases in hs?

No one said the vaccines were perfect. No vaccines are.

You're going to need to get used to the idea that cases aren't going away. COVID is going to stay around, but the vaccines will significantly reduce severe cases. Some people aren't going to vaccinate their kids because they don't understand cost-benefit analyses, but even unvaccinated kids are low-risk unless they have complicating health conditions (in which case they really should get vaccinated).

You seem to be stuck in a zero-covid mindset that has never been a real possibility.

I have ZERO issue with people choosing not to vaccinate their kids. It is a personal choice and there are no long term studies on these vaccines so the reluctance is reasonable. It isn't going away because people are entitled and selfish and only care about themselves. We have people like you to blame for the continued issues and spread. Basic precautions continue to be very important.

I know you're freaked out because of your own challenges with chronic health issues and the vaccine, but try to take a deep breath and think about what you're saying.

There's nearly 8 billion people in the world, with no plausible for vaccinating a majority of them in the foreseeable future. And regardless, the vaccines aren't perfect, preventing about 80% of infections, but otherwise remaining quite contagious in the remaining 20%. Masks help a bit, although the available dates suggests that the most common type of face covering- reusable cloth masks- don't do much to reduce transmissions. Quarantines can reduce the risk of continuing transmission chains, but a lot of cases are asymptomatic, never resulting in identification or quarantines.

Given that, there's no plausible way to get to and maintain zero COVID. Even if you somehow managed to get a certain portion of the community to zero cases, it would only be a matter of time before it would be reintroduced from another region. So unless you think it is reasonable and practical to permanently maintain very aggressive and disruptive COVID NPIs along with essentially shutting down our borders, it should be clear even to you that what you're seeking isn't going to happen. And not just because of antivaxxers and antimaskers, but because what it would take is fundamentally incompatible with modern society.

Do you really not see that?

I see a lot of irresponsible people like you rationalizing their bad behavior. We can get a handle on this. People like you choose not to. You are full excuses and no willingness to get it under control. Not all cloth masks are the same. The studies showed that. The multilayer masks with a filter are fine.

NP: You are amazingly hard headed. The PP poster just explained that what you think should happen will never happen because of human nature and modern society, ie capitalism and globalization. You come back with the same response people should do better and not be selfish. It is not a rationalization to state facts. You are making an ethical argument, people should care about the others. Yes, they should but they don’t in the real world, which means YOU will have to adjust. Life is not fair.

It's not a matter of caring or not caring. For the PP's apparent plan to work, we'd need to maintain quarantines, masks, travel restrictions, and capacity limits indefinitely. At least until an unprecedented advance in medical science dealing with viruses. It doesn't matter how much you care- that simply isn't plausible.

Presumably the pp can't wrap her head around the idea that COVID can't be eradicated with current medical science.