US News 2020 rankings

[Anonymous]

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- SYPM
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- Rest of the top 15. (Order doesn't matter.)

Colleges outside of the top 15 or so really don't matter or impress anyone. You think anyone blindly gives two s***s you went to WashU or Georgetown or UVA or Michigan? lol

In terms of "impressing" people, you think people give a shit if you went to Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, or Northwestern? Even Penn, Johns Hopkins and Duke are questionable outside of certain majors - Wharton for Penn, pre-med for Hopkins as long as the kid makes it into med school

I went to a school in 2B and most employers were very impressed, including people in casual conversation. Many people try to get their child into my school but can't, they are always asking questions on how to get in.

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Ivies, MIT and Stanford. Then Duke and Notre Dame, I guess.

Hopkins, Chicago, Vandy, Northwestern, Georgetown are very selective, but they don't exactly jump off the resume. Nobody really cares unless wedded to an assortment of impressive bullet points. Same for large USC, Michigan, NYU, UVA, UCLA tier -- those grads are a dime a dozen and there's a such massive gap between top of your class and bottom of the barrel there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- H
- SYPM
*gap*
- Rest of the top 15. (Order doesn't matter.)

Colleges outside of the top 15 or so really don't matter or impress anyone. You think anyone blindly gives two s***s you went to WashU or Georgetown or UVA or Michigan? lol

you think there's a difference between Notre Dame and Georgetown? That's very Daft of you.

Is Notre Dame top 15? I didn't know that. But sure, mucho cachet with Catholics especially (over 70M Catholics in US). Closest thing to an Ivy west of Philly -- e.g. tightknit, live on campus all four years, no frats, traditions, vibe.

It is...so is Vanderbilt a school that you somehow think isn't prestigious. You'll also be surprised that Cornell isn't top 15. Besides the term has always been top 25 as far as I'm concerned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies, MIT and Stanford. Then Duke and Notre Dame, I guess.

Hopkins, Chicago, Vandy, Northwestern, Georgetown are very selective, but they don't exactly jump off the resume. Nobody really cares unless wedded to an assortment of impressive bullet points. Same for large USC, Michigan, NYU, UVA, UCLA tier -- those grads are a dime a dozen and there's a such massive gap between top of your class and bottom of the barrel there.

You're simply stupid. Honestly questioning if you went to one of these schools if you honestly think Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, and Notre Dame are better institutions and more prestigious than "Hopkins, Chicago, Vandy, Northwestern, Georgetown" especially Uchicago....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Tier 2A is very debatable is there are a lot of great schools that could go there.

Good stuff.

Thank you, I was trying my best to be fair but accurate of what people think. I also work for a top pharmaceutical company FYI.

I think this breakdown generally matches most people's perception about college prestige. Hopkins and WashU can go in 2B) as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Tier 2A is very debatable is there are a lot of great schools that could go there.

Good stuff.

Thank you, I was trying my best to be fair bu.t accurate of what people think. I also work for a top pharmaceutical company FYI.

I think this breakdown generally matches most people's perception about college prestige. Hopkins and WashU can go in 2B) as well.

It doesn't match mine. First there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Caltech. If you are at one of these schools, particularly Harvard, Stanford, MIT, people will think you were admitted to your top choice bar none. Next is the "just missed" this category, which would be schools like Columbia, Duke, Chicago, but you could probably fold 2A into it. People will know you likely were not admitted to Harvard, etc. Below that, it really starts to matter less as people will recognize good schools, but don't really process tiers clearly. They just start to think of a broad category of very good schools. People should focus more on fit and finances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Tier 2A is very debatable is there are a lot of great schools that could go there.

Good stuff.

Thank you, I was trying my best to be fair bu.t accurate of what people think. I also work for a top pharmaceutical company FYI.

I think this breakdown generally matches most people's perception about college prestige. Hopkins and WashU can go in 2B) as well.

It doesn't match mine. First there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Caltech. If you are at one of these schools, particularly Harvard, Stanford, MIT, people will think you were admitted to your top choice bar none. Next is the "just missed" this category, which would be schools like Columbia, Duke, Chicago, but you could probably fold 2A into it. People will know you likely were not admitted to Harvard, etc. Below that, it really starts to matter less as people will recognize good schools, but don't really process tiers clearly. They just start to think of a broad category of very good schools. People should focus more on fit and finances.

CalTech would not belong up there. It’s a specialized school not on the same level as MIT. At MIT one can major in non-stem majors such as Econ knowing it’s one of the best in the country. At CalTech, you cant do that. CalTech was once a run of the mill regional vocational college. Its no more than a STEM vo-tech. It’s less desirable than 2A, possibly belonging to 2B.

[Anonymous]

Tier 1A: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and whatever school my kid got into

[Anonymous]

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CalTech would not belong up there. It’s a specialized school not on the same level as MIT. At MIT one can major in non-stem majors such as Econ knowing it’s one of the best in the country. At CalTech, you cant do that. CalTech was once a run of the mill regional vocational college. Its no more than a STEM vo-tech. It’s less desirable than 2A, possibly belonging to 2B.

The only poster as annoying as the Caltech booster is the MIT booster above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Tier 2A is very debatable is there are a lot of great schools that could go there.

Good stuff.

Thank you, I was trying my best to be fair bu.t accurate of what people think. I also work for a top pharmaceutical company FYI.

I think this breakdown generally matches most people's perception about college prestige. Hopkins and WashU can go in 2B) as well.

It doesn't match mine. First there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Caltech. If you are at one of these schools, particularly Harvard, Stanford, MIT, people will think you were admitted to your top choice bar none. Next is the "just missed" this category, which would be schools like Columbia, Duke, Chicago, but you could probably fold 2A into it. People will know you likely were not admitted to Harvard, etc. Below that, it really starts to matter less as people will recognize good schools, but don't really process tiers clearly. They just start to think of a broad category of very good schools. People should focus more on fit and finances.

CalTech would not belong up there. It’s a specialized school not on the same level as MIT. At MIT one can major in non-stem majors such as Econ knowing it’s one of the best in the country. At CalTech, you cant do that. CalTech was once a run of the mill regional vocational college. Its no more than a STEM vo-tech. It’s less desirable than 2A, possibly belonging to 2B.

Little known fact: Feynman taught welding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Tier 2A is very debatable is there are a lot of great schools that could go there.

Good stuff.

Thank you, I was trying my best to be fair bu.t accurate of what people think. I also work for a top pharmaceutical company FYI.

I think this breakdown generally matches most people's perception about college prestige. Hopkins and WashU can go in 2B) as well.

It doesn't match mine. First there is Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Caltech. If you are at one of these schools, particularly Harvard, Stanford, MIT, people will think you were admitted to your top choice bar none. Next is the "just missed" this category, which would be schools like Columbia, Duke, Chicago, but you could probably fold 2A into it. People will know you likely were not admitted to Harvard, etc. Below that, it really starts to matter less as people will recognize good schools, but don't really process tiers clearly. They just start to think of a broad category of very good schools. People should focus more on fit and finances.

CalTech would not belong up there. It’s a specialized school not on the same level as MIT. At MIT one can major in non-stem majors such as Econ knowing it’s one of the best in the country. At CalTech, you cant do that. CalTech was once a run of the mill regional vocational college. Its no more than a STEM vo-tech. It’s less desirable than 2A, possibly belonging to 2B.

Little known fact: Feynman taught welding.

Little known fact from Wiki,

“Caltech started as a vocational school founded in Pasadena in 1891 by local businessman and politician Amos G. Throop. The school was known successively as Throop University, Throop Polytechnic Institute (and Manual Training School)[13] and Throop College of Technology before acquiring its current name in 1920.[10][14] The vocational school was disbanded and the preparatory program was split off to form the independent Polytechnic School in 1907.“

[Anonymous]

Son, I am waiting on the UVA boosters showing up to say the Harvard on the 'ville...the Harvard of Virginia, etc. And the GDS posters showing up to say Tier 1 is composed of all GDS grads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Son, I am waiting on the UVA boosters showing up to say the Harvard on the 'ville...the Harvard of Virginia, etc. And the GDS posters showing up to say Tier 1 is composed of all GDS grads.

Dude, CalTech is nothing more than a hi-tech votech compared to MIT. I’ve had more than one CalTech grad tutoring my kid i connected through various HS tutoring websites.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate Tiers
1A) Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Yale, Princeton
1B) Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago, Caltech

2A) Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, Williams, Amherst
2B) Rice, Cornell, Pomona, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Cal, Notre Dame, Emory, Swarthmore, UCLA, Wellesley

3A) Michigan, NYU, USC, UVA, Tufts, Middlebury, Barnard
3B)UNC, Boston College, W&M, Wake, W&L, Davidson

Tier 2A is very debatable is there are a lot of great schools that could go there.

Good stuff.

Thank you, I was trying my best to be fair but accurate of what people think. I also work for a top pharmaceutical company FYI.

OMG haha. I'm a tenured professor at a research 1 institution, and I think your ranking is a joke.

Good for you, there are over 100 schools considered Research 1 institutions. The vast majority of them are not considered prestigiuos, especially at the undergrad level.

+ 1. And since when did a tenured professor become an authority on school rankings? Most of you have your heads up your a**es and it's your TAs that do most of the work anyways while you research cr*p that no one cares about!

Wait, when did working for a "top pharmaceutical company" become an authority for school rankings? That could mean anything from a HR, to an administrative assistant to a research scientist. Since research scientist wasn't mentioned, I'm assuming it wasn't research scientist.

And yeah, a tenured professor at an R1 has far more knowledge about quality of university than someone that vaguely works in the pharmaceutical company, considering you know, their life is working in a university and working with professors in other universities.

Also saying professors do research no one cares about - you realize there's a reason kids want to learn from Ph.D.'s right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:- H
- SYPM
*gap*
- Rest of the top 15. (Order doesn't matter.)

Colleges outside of the top 15 or so really don't matter or impress anyone. You think anyone blindly gives two s***s you went to WashU or Georgetown or UVA or Michigan? lol

In terms of "impressing" people, you think people give a shit if you went to Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, or Northwestern? Even Penn, Johns Hopkins and Duke are questionable outside of certain majors - Wharton for Penn, pre-med for Hopkins as long as the kid makes it into med school

hence use of "*gap*"

Hence the use of "gap", but you say that people still give a shit about the "rest of the top 15" while not giving a shit at all about those outside. Literally no one gives a shit if someone went to Notre Dame or Vanderbilt, and given the major (STEM), people will be more interested in Berkeley or Michigan grads in that regard than Notre Dame or Vanderbilt.

You're putting the "rest of the top 15" in a bracket above the rest when it doesn't even exist in that higher bracket in terms of prestige.