US News 2020 rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT
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Rest of the Ivies
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Duke, Notre Dame

To have any ranking credibility, Columbia belongs with Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT.

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Anonymous wrote:If you were planning to go to law or medical school and had the stats and ECs to be admitted to any of the schools listed, would any of these schools make a significant difference in your odds of graduate school admission?

Best undergraduate pre-med institutions are listed below. Top schools are Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Cornell, JHU, among others.

https://www.thoughtco.com/best-pre-med-schools-4171863

That didn't answer the question. Is there any data that says it makes a difference?

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Anonymous wrote:If you were planning to go to law or medical school and had the stats and ECs to be admitted to any of the schools listed, would any of these schools make a significant difference in your odds of graduate school admission?

Best undergraduate pre-med institutions are listed below. Top schools are Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Cornell, JHU, among others.

https://www.thoughtco.com/best-pre-med-schools-4171863

But the article mostly just talks about programs in place in these schools to help Pre-Med students. I only saw outcomes (% placed in medical school) for two of the schools. This article does not tell us which schools are "the best" for pre-meds, in terms of their success.

I think you just plug in schools you are interested in with its peer university. WashU, for example is probably similar to Duke that’s on the list. Harvard, Yale, Princeton are not on the list. It’s probably comparable to Columbia.

I would be interested in knowing where CalTech falls. If its med-school admit rate is comparable to Columbia, I am guessing it’s on par with Columbia. If, on the other hand, its admit rate is similar to BU, then it’s clearly overrated.

Medical school admit rate isn't the question. First, none of these schools tend to calculate the same way. Second, the question was if the kid had the same stats coming out of these schools (MCAT and GPA), would it make a difference?

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Anonymous wrote:If you were planning to go to law or medical school and had the stats and ECs to be admitted to any of the schools listed, would any of these schools make a significant difference in your odds of graduate school admission?

Best undergraduate pre-med institutions are listed below. Top schools are Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Cornell, JHU, among others.

https://www.thoughtco.com/best-pre-med-schools-4171863

But the article mostly just talks about programs in place in these schools to help Pre-Med students. I only saw outcomes (% placed in medical school) for two of the schools. This article does not tell us which schools are "the best" for pre-meds, in terms of their success.

I think you just plug in schools you are interested in with its peer university. WashU, for example is probably similar to Duke that’s on the list. Harvard, Yale, Princeton are not on the list. It’s probably comparable to Columbia.

I would be interested in knowing where CalTech falls. If its med-school admit rate is comparable to Columbia, I am guessing it’s on par with Columbia. If, on the other hand, its admit rate is similar to BU, then it’s clearly overrated.

Medical school admit rate isn't the question. First, none of these schools tend to calculate the same way. Second, the question was if the kid had the same stats coming out of these schools (MCAT and GPA), would it make a difference?

The U.S. average admit rate is about 50% with a 3.8 GPA. UCLA, uc Berkeley fit this. So you go from there. SLACs are around 80% with 3.5 GPA. Admit rate is defined as admitted to at least 1 U.S. med school.

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I can't speak for medical school but I can for law school. I am an attorney with two high school seniors. I asked law school counselors about placement from colleges and they said it doesn't make a difference where you go--it is GPA and LSAT. Ivy level, Amherst, Williams, etc. do well because they are smart. See other thread on this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you were planning to go to law or medical school and had the stats and ECs to be admitted to any of the schools listed, would any of these schools make a significant difference in your odds of graduate school admission?

Best undergraduate pre-med institutions are listed below. Top schools are Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Cornell, JHU, among others.

https://www.thoughtco.com/best-pre-med-schools-4171863

But the article mostly just talks about programs in place in these schools to help Pre-Med students. I only saw outcomes (% placed in medical school) for two of the schools. This article does not tell us which schools are "the best" for pre-meds, in terms of their success.

I think you just plug in schools you are interested in with its peer university. WashU, for example is probably similar to Duke that’s on the list. Harvard, Yale, Princeton are not on the list. It’s probably comparable to Columbia.

I would be interested in knowing where CalTech falls. If its med-school admit rate is comparable to Columbia, I am guessing it’s on par with Columbia. If, on the other hand, its admit rate is similar to BU, then it’s clearly overrated.

Medical school admit rate isn't the question. First, none of these schools tend to calculate the same way. Second, the question was if the kid had the same stats coming out of these schools (MCAT and GPA), would it make a difference?

The U.S. average admit rate is about 50% with a 3.8 GPA. UCLA, uc Berkeley fit this. So you go from there. SLACs are around 80% with 3.5 GPA. Admit rate is defined as admitted to at least 1 U.S. med school.

My kid's SLAC has a very high admit rate to med school, but then they only decide to back with recommendations the very best students who are likely to get in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT
-gap-
Rest of the Ivies
-gap-
Duke, Notre Dame

To have any ranking credibility, Columbia belongs with Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT.

No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT
-gap-
Rest of the Ivies
-gap-
Duke, Notre Dame

To have any ranking credibility, Columbia belongs with Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT.

No.

Your list also places H with the rest of IVs.

This says more about you than Harvard or Columbia. There’s really no value to your list if all you’re doing is venting

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you were planning to go to law or medical school and had the stats and ECs to be admitted to any of the schools listed, would any of these schools make a significant difference in your odds of graduate school admission?

Best undergraduate pre-med institutions are listed below. Top schools are Columbia, Harvard, MIT, Cornell, JHU, among others.

https://www.thoughtco.com/best-pre-med-schools-4171863

But the article mostly just talks about programs in place in these schools to help Pre-Med students. I only saw outcomes (% placed in medical school) for two of the schools. This article does not tell us which schools are "the best" for pre-meds, in terms of their success.

I think you just plug in schools you are interested in with its peer university. WashU, for example is probably similar to Duke that’s on the list. Harvard, Yale, Princeton are not on the list. It’s probably comparable to Columbia.

I would be interested in knowing where CalTech falls. If its med-school admit rate is comparable to Columbia, I am guessing it’s on par with Columbia. If, on the other hand, its admit rate is similar to BU, then it’s clearly overrated.

Medical school admit rate isn't the question. First, none of these schools tend to calculate the same way. Second, the question was if the kid had the same stats coming out of these schools (MCAT and GPA), would it make a difference?

The U.S. average admit rate is about 50% with a 3.8 GPA. UCLA, uc Berkeley fit this. So you go from there. SLACs are around 80% with 3.5 GPA. Admit rate is defined as admitted to at least 1 U.S. med school.

My kid's SLAC has a very high admit rate to med school, but then they only decide to back with recommendations the very best students who are likely to get in.

The problem with admit rates is there isn't a standard for how they are calculated, so you don't get an apples to apples comparison if you can get any real data at all. Some include only those who get a recommendation from a committee. Some include only those with a certain GPA. For the most part, it largely seems to me to largely be a function of MCAT and GPA. Same for law school.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT
-gap-
Rest of the Ivies
-gap-
Duke, Notre Dame

Endowment, yes; academics, no.

Prestige, status and brand.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT
-gap-
Rest of the Ivies
-gap-
Duke, Notre Dame

To have any ranking credibility, Columbia belongs with Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT.

No.

Your list also places H with the rest of IVs.

This says more about you than Harvard or Columbia. There’s really no value to your list if all you’re doing is venting

It's not my list. Just pointing out the one you want is even worse.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard
Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT
-gap-
Rest of the Ivies
-gap-
Duke, Notre Dame

To have any ranking credibility, Columbia belongs with Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT.

No.

Your list also places H with the rest of IVs.

This says more about you than Harvard or Columbia. There’s really no value to your list if all you’re doing is venting

It's not my list. Just pointing out the one you want is even worse.

Kind of like saying bmw is better than Mercedes or vice versa. They are all good at that level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for medical school but I can for law school. I am an attorney with two high school seniors. I asked law school counselors about placement from colleges and they said it doesn't make a difference where you go--it is GPA and LSAT. Ivy level, Amherst, Williams, etc. do well because they are smart. See other thread on this.

I’ve heard this before and I’m not saying you’re wrong but it always strikes me as odd. I’ve had kids in five different colleges across the range of (perceived) excellence. The kids in the local not-flagship, uncompetitive enrollment schools do very little work for easy A’s while the ones at the harder schools work their butts off for A’s. It isn’t even close in terms of the amount of work demanded and the quality produced. Just amazes me that law schools think a Swarthmore A is the same as a Salisbury A. Yes, LSAT probably reveals some of that but not necessarily.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for medical school but I can for law school. I am an attorney with two high school seniors. I asked law school counselors about placement from colleges and they said it doesn't make a difference where you go--it is GPA and LSAT. Ivy level, Amherst, Williams, etc. do well because they are smart. See other thread on this.

I’ve heard this before and I’m not saying you’re wrong but it always strikes me as odd. I’ve had kids in five different colleges across the range of (perceived) excellence. The kids in the local not-flagship, uncompetitive enrollment schools do very little work for easy A’s while the ones at the harder schools work their butts off for A’s. It isn’t even close in terms of the amount of work demanded and the quality produced. Just amazes me that law schools think a Swarthmore A is the same as a Salisbury A. Yes, LSAT probably reveals some of that but not necessarily.

Of course the top law schools don't look at them the same way.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak for medical school but I can for law school. I am an attorney with two high school seniors. I asked law school counselors about placement from colleges and they said it doesn't make a difference where you go--it is GPA and LSAT. Ivy level, Amherst, Williams, etc. do well because they are smart. See other thread on this.

I’ve heard this before and I’m not saying you’re wrong but it always strikes me as odd. I’ve had kids in five different colleges across the range of (perceived) excellence. The kids in the local not-flagship, uncompetitive enrollment schools do very little work for easy A’s while the ones at the harder schools work their butts off for A’s. It isn’t even close in terms of the amount of work demanded and the quality produced. Just amazes me that law schools think a Swarthmore A is the same as a Salisbury A. Yes, LSAT probably reveals some of that but not necessarily.

I am the poster that you are replying to. The Law School Admissions Council sends a distribution of schools GPA so that helps.