Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

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Apparently our focuses are quite different. You were trying to show why BoE (and/or some posters here) were proposing those (or at least why they claim they were doing proposing those) changes - for demographic and income disparities.

I don't want to argue against those reasons. These can be very noble reasons. I wouldn't want to try arguing against something that already holds the moral high ground, would I?

In the PP, I was basically telling you that their proposed changes are effectively aimed at "helping" low performing students, so the facts listed in PP (which mostly affect high performers) are not relevant.

Right. You keep saying that BoE isn't doing it for the reasons they say they're doing it, they're doing it for the reasons you say they're doing it. BoE: it's about capacity and demographics. You: that means it's really actually about the test scores.

No. I don't care what reasons they do it for. Only they know that for sure, and I can't go into their heads to dig those out.

They can claim they do it for some reasons. Those can be sound reasons, so I don't go against those - who am I to go against some noble reasons like "helping the poor" "diversity"?

What I am saying is when you look at the proposed changes, effectively it is (also) about performance.

Anything wrong with that?

Anything wrong with saying that it's about performance, when it's about demographics and capacity?

It can be "about" many things.

For example, I always admitted this thing started because of the capacity issue. No question about that.

As for demographics - I am not saying it is not about demographics. It can be.

These are simply not the perspectives I want to expand and discuss - you can go that direction, which is perfectly fine.

If you propose something for certain reasons, do I have to limit my discussions to those reasons?
Say, if someone proposes a tax increase because of national security needs, yeah, it is "about national security". But do I have to limit my discussions to national security needs, and can't say "it is about how we spend our money"?

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Apparently our focuses are quite different. You were trying to show why BoE (and/or some posters here) were proposing those (or at least why they claim they were doing proposing those) changes - for demographic and income disparities.

I don't want to argue against those reasons. These can be very noble reasons. I wouldn't want to try arguing against something that already holds the moral high ground, would I?

In the PP, I was basically telling you that their proposed changes are effectively aimed at "helping" low performing students, so the facts listed in PP (which mostly affect high performers) are not relevant.

Right. You keep saying that BoE isn't doing it for the reasons they say they're doing it, they're doing it for the reasons you say they're doing it. BoE: it's about capacity and demographics. You: that means it's really actually about the test scores.

No. I don't care what reasons they do it for. Only they know that for sure, and I can't go into their heads to dig those out.

They can claim they do it for some reasons. Those can be sound reasons, so I don't go against those - who am I to go against some noble reasons like "helping the poor" "diversity"?

What I am saying is when you look at the proposed changes, effectively it is (also) about performance.

Anything wrong with that?

Anything wrong with saying that it's about performance, when it's about demographics and capacity?

It can be "about" many things.

For example, I always admitted this thing started because of the capacity issue. No question about that.

As for demographics - I am not saying it is not about demographics. It can be.

These are simply not the perspectives I want to expand and discuss - you can go that direction, which is perfectly fine.

If you propose something for certain reasons, do I have to limit my discussions to those reasons?
Say, if someone proposes a tax increase because of national security needs, yeah, it is "about national security". But do I have to limit my discussions to national security needs, and can't say "it is about how we spend our money"?

Thread title: Should I serve cheesecake or pie for dessert?
You: Let's talk about salad.

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It can be "about" many things.

For example, I always admitted this thing started because of the capacity issue. No question about that.

As for demographics - I am not saying it is not about demographics. It can be.

These are simply not the perspectives I want to expand and discuss - you can go that direction, which is perfectly fine.

If you propose something for certain reasons, do I have to limit my discussions to those reasons?
Say, if someone proposes a tax increase because of national security needs, yeah, it is "about national security". But do I have to limit my discussions to national security needs, and can't say "it is about how we spend our money"?

Thread title: Should I serve cheesecake or pie for dessert?
You: Let's talk about salad.

Oh, in that case, would you please read the thread title again?

Which of us is more off topic when I talk about performance and you talk about demographics?

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Anything wrong with saying that it's about performance, when it's about demographics and capacity?

What is pissing people off is that it certainly appears that the BOE is ignoring capacity in favor for demographics and MCPS has done this several times in the past. The Darnestown option to move into Seneca Valley does nothing for the capacity problems that exist. It is ONLY about getting those students into a poorer school.

For RM -the under enrolled ES schools in Wootton would have jumped for joy to get more students from the adjacent areas and be able to renovate/expand Wootton. MCPS did not want to do this because the RM areas adjacent to Wootton are high performing and MCPS wanted those kids at RM. MCPS had already tried to move GHS kids down into Wootton but GHS parents put up a huge fight not to be bussed all the way down to Wootton.

Bottom line is that no one wants to be plucked out of their school and driven past other schools so they can be the token rich or poor kids at a school. No one in an overcrowded school wants to be told that they can't join an adjacent under enrolled school because their kids are being used for demographics at the overcrowded school.

Actually yes, the entire Town of Kensington begs to be driven past closer, less crowded schools because they want a longer bus ride to go to school with the richer kids in Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's back up - what is everyone's fear? What does everyone consider to be a path of destruction in regards to boundary changes? What do you think is going to happen?

Does everyone think your school that has FARMS < 10% will suddenly become a school with FARMS > 50%?

Or are you scared that your school's FARM rates will be about 25%

Give us numbers - tell us exactly what you fear.

-Signed, a white, high-income parent in the RM cluster who has no plans to move and just doesn't understand all this fear.

How does each school suddenly add 100s of bussed-in poor students? How do they physically make room in already over-capacitated schools to fit more people in?

....Crickets....

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This is all so exhausting. I’m already living in the horrific dystopia you are imagining — a school with 50+% FARMS — and it’s FINE. Actually better than fine. My child is thriving.

You think that your child is thriving because half of your child's peers can't pass basic grade level tests. Its EASY to think you are doing great when the competition is so low and the bar set even lower. Do you play sports with people over 95 years old? I bet you're a real athlete and just thriving at that sport.

Yea, wait until they have to compete with the global world and they realize they are at the bottom. Yea, real morale booster to compare yourself to poor competition.

Good point, what do Chinese parents, schools or government do with kids who score 40% proficient in Chinese or math year after year?

Redistribute more money and attention to them of course!

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Anonymous wrote:OMG - MCPS isn't even the best in MD. Its halfway down the list of MD counties now. Howard and Frederick surpassed it years ago.

MCPS hit its peak in the early 2000s and has been sliding down ever since due to bad decisions and a changing demographic. There really is zero reason to move to MoCo for the schools. If you have a job in MoCo and its an easier commute then sure move here and deal with the so so schools or pay for private. Other than that, there is just no reason to move here other than its cheaper than areas in VA and DC now (which wasn't true until the past few years).

This real estate value thing is unfortunately true, esp at the over $800k value. Similar houses and yards cost 20% more in DC, Arlington and Fairfax than in Bethesda, Potomac, MoCo anywhere. Plus the non-MoCo houses are rising in value each year, significantly. We started looking for a mother 300-3500 sf home inside the beltway in VA and it is much more costly than the same sized and aged house we currently live in in Bethesda.

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More MCPS leading. ..
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-takes-first-place-in-ranking-on-college-preparedness-stem-career-readiness/

For "high performing " students, there is no better place than MCPS. 15 of MD 20 Regeneron scholars this year are from MCPS and one MCPS school lead the whole nation
https://student.societyforscience.org/regeneron-sts-2019-scholars

As you can see, I posted FACTS not anecdotes or delusions.
I know private parents, NoVa parents and the other wannabes don't want hear them but these are facts, real world facts not DCUM delusions

Thanks for the only helpful post in 20 pages.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids graduated from W cluster, my youngest last year. I always thought MCPS was great and I didn't notice any recent changes. What is making families now reevaluate MCPS? Sincere question - I must have missed something, or it must've happened after my kids were out. Thanks.

People are (over-)reacting to the upcoming systemwide boundary analysis.

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/publicinfo/boundary-analysis/

Would you prefer parents under-react? I’d rather have over active community members anytime.

I would prefer that parents react to the consultant's actual report and any subsequent decisions MCPS may make.

MCPS wants you to shut up and keeping taking it up the you-know-what. And keep paying your ever-increasing taxes of course.

homegrown BS curriculum 2.0, 2 level grading scale (A or B), test retakes, ESOL bonanza, BS studies every week, no differentiation, teeny tiny CES/Magnet programs with socially engineered admit pools, bloated incompetent Administration, 30 mins A WEEK of PE in elementary school (min of all U.S. states, counties, or city schools), 2-3 hours of chromebook time starting in K onward.

I mean, turn OP's question around, and give us a few good reasons why we should move to MoCo and MCPS. We both work, and don't have time to babysit and un-navigateable, untransparent huge county school district that only cares about one segment of students (underperforming). What about teaching all segments to potential?

Honestly if you are this unhappy with MCPS - I'm surprised you still live in the county. It doesn't sound like you like anything about the schools here and I don't see anything changing that.

Agree with both PP. public school today is a skeleton of what it was back when I went. Sad, but true. Try not to dwell on it.

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MCPS wants you to shut up and keeping taking it up the you-know-what. And keep paying your ever-increasing taxes of course.

homegrown BS curriculum 2.0, 2 level grading scale (A or B), test retakes, ESOL bonanza, BS studies every week, no differentiation, teeny tiny CES/Magnet programs with socially engineered admit pools, bloated incompetent Administration, 30 mins A WEEK of PE in elementary school (min of all U.S. states, counties, or city schools), 2-3 hours of chromebook time starting in K onward.

I mean, turn OP's question around, and give us a few good reasons why we should move to MoCo and MCPS. We both work, and don't have time to babysit and un-navigateable, untransparent huge county school district that only cares about one segment of students (underperforming). What about teaching all segments to potential?

If you don't want to move to Montgomery County and send your kids to MCPS, then don't. That's fine. There are plenty of other places you can live and other schools you can send your kids to.

Funny. That’s the topic of this thread: why stay or move or leave Montgomery county and MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do high performing students care. They are already smart.

Not being snarky, but my oldest daughter graduated a blue collar HS right before we moved to Winston Churchill where my younger kids both are attending or will attend.

The valedictorian of her HS gave speech and he was a huge slackard, never studied, always running late and clothes wrinkled. Guy had a 4.0 and was brilliant. Since he was smarter than every teacher what would a good school do. My daughter had a class with him and the project was to build a robot at home and they had several weeks to do. He just Mcgiver like grabbed a bunch of junk in science lab, put a robot together out of spare parts in like five minutes and said here it is, teacher gave him and A and he left. My daughter said he always does that type of shit drives folks nuts. His commencement speech was short. He actually said I hear from some other students the school is pretty good and challenging but he would not know. The Salutatorian who was this nice Asian girl I sensed you could fry and egg on her head when he spoke cause he said everyone has a GPA my GPA was just randomly selected as it was largest for the punishment of giving a speech and my random number wont solve any real issues so I did not bother writing a speech as I am sure you have better things to do. I swear the tiger Mom of Salutorian who has like 20 of her family there was going to beat him to death with her high heels.

So bottom line, you kids are not special it wont matter and if you kid is special like these kid it wont matter either as he will already be smarter than any teacher there.

That kid should have been on scholarship at a boarding school getting challenged and maxing out his supposedly high IQ and making something of himself.

Instead his parents and school told him (indirectly or directly) to be a lazy bare minimum guy in a below median school. Too bad he never found a mentor or sponsor.

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I mean, turn OP's question around, and give us a few good reasons why we should move to MoCo and MCPS. We both work, and don't have time to babysit and un-navigateable, untransparent huge county school district that only cares about one segment of students (underperforming). What about teaching all segments to potential? [/b]

MCPS is still the best in the area and one of the bests in the nation
Leads the nation in AP passing scores. All groups in MCPS do better than anywhere else.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/press/index.aspx?pagetype=showrelease&id=8161&type=archive&startYear=2017&pageNumber=3&mode=

More MCPS leading. ..
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-takes-first-place-in-ranking-on-college-preparedness-stem-career-readiness/

For "high performing " students, there is no better place than MCPS. 15 of MD 20 Regeneron scholars this year are from MCPS and one MCPS school lead the whole nation
https://student.societyforscience.org/regeneron-sts-2019-scholars

As you can see, I posted FACTS not anecdotes or delusions.
I know private parents, NoVa parents and the other wannabes don't want hear them but these are facts, real world facts not DCUM delusions

What you posted are facts that would encourage high performing students to come to MCPS because there are many of their peers and programs offered for them to become more competitive.

Yet many people on DCUM seem to think that they need to speak out for the low performing students. So your facts mean nothing to them - these facts are not related to their interest.

Those programs are moot.
They are 60 minutes away from a bulk of the highest performing students (as MCPS put magnet programs in troubled schools in troubled neighborhoods).
The number of seats in the program hasn’t grown much versus MCPS population skyrocketing. Esol the most.
AP test scores? sAt or ACT? Seriously? How does that address half the points brought up or the k8 lack of curriculum or ES shortcomings?

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If all the Starchy Mcstarchpants families are leaving, MCPS will be just fine.

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More MCPS leading. ..
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-takes-first-place-in-ranking-on-college-preparedness-stem-career-readiness/

For "high performing " students, there is no better place than MCPS. 15 of MD 20 Regeneron scholars this year are from MCPS and one MCPS school lead the whole nation
https://student.societyforscience.org/regeneron-sts-2019-scholars

As you can see, I posted FACTS not anecdotes or delusions.
I know private parents, NoVa parents and the other wannabes don't want hear them but these are facts, real world facts not DCUM delusions

Thanks for the only helpful post in 20 pages.

Actually you already Acon pupated yourself twice and now here a third time. So cute!

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What you posted are facts that would encourage high performing students to come to MCPS because there are many of their peers and programs offered for them to become more competitive.

Yet many people on DCUM seem to think that they need to speak out for the low performing students. So your facts mean nothing to them - these facts are not related to their interest.

Those programs are moot.
They are 60 minutes away from a bulk of the highest performing students (as MCPS put magnet programs in troubled schools in troubled neighborhoods).

That is true. But the competition for the magnet program is still intense. So I do not really see people being too concerned about that.

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The number of seats in the program hasn’t grown much versus MCPS population skyrocketing. Esol the most.
AP test scores? sAt or ACT? Seriously? How does that address half the points brought up or the k8 lack of curriculum or ES shortcomings?

That is my point too. These facts are showing that high-performing students are doing quite well in MoCo. They do not address the issues for the low performing part.

In fact, there is not much more to be addressed. The students define the schools. When you have students who work hard and try to achieve high performance, the school(s) performance goes up. The opposite is true too. The county has already provided enough support in the public school system for most students.

Anyway, that is a bit off topic for the thread which started with discussing families of high performing students.