the Key/ASFS building switch...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After lady night I think we can rule out key moving to Carlin Springs. Immersion immersion is staying at Claremont and I can’t see them putting both immersion schools right on the southwest border.

Disagree. They are leaving the schools around carlin spring with extra capacity.
Expect key at carlin springs.
As it should be.

[Anonymous]

The most recent presentation on Elementary Boundaries (https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sept.-26-Getting-Started-Community-Mtg-Presentation.pdf) has a couple points about walk zones.
Slide 5 - Elementary Boundaries Approach: Use the Expanded School Walk Zones developed this Spring
Slide 8 - Points of Note in Proposal: All planning units in the schools’ expanded walk zone are assigned to that school

If they use the expanded walk zones in the 2020 rezoning, they would need to include over 100 additional students in ASFS when it moves to Key. Who are they going to move out to make room for these students?

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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.

"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...

Private email traffic from ASFS parent.

Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.

Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

That list was prepared by the school administrattionl so that they can nix the move. NOT by the PTA. No one expects most of that list to be moved. The administration loves that building and the materials in it more than the humans who attend it! Sad , so sad Rather than trying to hold on to their diverse community, they prefer staying at their location to teach the rich walk zone. I wonder with a different population attending that school, would ASFS still have been ASFS? At the very least they would have lost their niche ranking. Diversity plays a big part in that ranking.

Please stop with the hysterics that the administration loves the building more than the students or the community and want to teach "the rich walk zone." The walk zone is no richer than all the families living in LV that currently attend ASFS and includes diversity from the families currently being bussed to Ashlawn. The administration and staff want to stay in the building because they've put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into creating a space that supports their current science curriculum. A lot of their lesson plans and activities revolve around things that they know they won't be able to recreate in the new Key building (at least not at first). Allow them to grieve for that. This whole notion that the current children aren't loved because the teachers want to stay in their building simply isn't true. Our kids are in elementary school for six years. ASFS has been there for 23 years. Kids come and go, but the school, the administration, etc. remain. Does that mean the current community hates those who will be zoned out of ASFS in a few years? Everyone (including Dr. Murphy) talks about how great this swap will be because it let's 80% of the current community stay together-- does that mean APS hates the other 20%? No, it doesn't. Everyone needs to stop taking everything so personally and look at it from a different perspective. And for those who are happy with the proposed move, take the high road and have a little empathy for those who are struggling with the move or who will no longer attend ASFS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The most recent presentation on Elementary Boundaries (https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sept.-26-Getting-Started-Community-Mtg-Presentation.pdf) has a couple points about walk zones.
Slide 5 - Elementary Boundaries Approach: Use the Expanded School Walk Zones developed this Spring
Slide 8 - Points of Note in Proposal: All planning units in the schools’ expanded walk zone are assigned to that school

If they use the expanded walk zones in the 2020 rezoning, they would need to include over 100 additional students in ASFS when it moves to Key. Who are they going to move out to make room for these students?

They will have to shave off the PUs around Courthouse/Clarendon. Those are just as close to Long Branch as they are to Key, or they can easily go to Taylor because they are already on a bus/wouldn't be able to walk to Key anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The most recent presentation on Elementary Boundaries (https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sept.-26-Getting-Started-Community-Mtg-Presentation.pdf) has a couple points about walk zones.
Slide 5 - Elementary Boundaries Approach: Use the Expanded School Walk Zones developed this Spring
Slide 8 - Points of Note in Proposal: All planning units in the schools’ expanded walk zone are assigned to that school

If they use the expanded walk zones in the 2020 rezoning, they would need to include over 100 additional students in ASFS when it moves to Key. Who are they going to move out to make room for these students?

Ding ding ding. Three PUs in Lyon Village are currently zoned for Taylor but clearly within the Key walk zone if it’s a neighborhood school. Sorry Rosslyn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most recent presentation on Elementary Boundaries (https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sept.-26-Getting-Started-Community-Mtg-Presentation.pdf) has a couple points about walk zones.
Slide 5 - Elementary Boundaries Approach: Use the Expanded School Walk Zones developed this Spring
Slide 8 - Points of Note in Proposal: All planning units in the schools’ expanded walk zone are assigned to that school

If they use the expanded walk zones in the 2020 rezoning, they would need to include over 100 additional students in ASFS when it moves to Key. Who are they going to move out to make room for these students?

Ding ding ding. Three PUs in Lyon Village are currently zoned for Taylor but clearly within the Key walk zone if it’s a neighborhood school. Sorry Rosslyn.

Right, so remind me again how this fixes their dreadfully long bus ride? Oh wait, it doesn't?! Shocking that APS hasn't seen this yet either. They always seem so on top of critical analysis and long range planning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most recent presentation on Elementary Boundaries (https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sept.-26-Getting-Started-Community-Mtg-Presentation.pdf) has a couple points about walk zones.
Slide 5 - Elementary Boundaries Approach: Use the Expanded School Walk Zones developed this Spring
Slide 8 - Points of Note in Proposal: All planning units in the schools’ expanded walk zone are assigned to that school

If they use the expanded walk zones in the 2020 rezoning, they would need to include over 100 additional students in ASFS when it moves to Key. Who are they going to move out to make room for these students?

Ding ding ding. Three PUs in Lyon Village are currently zoned for Taylor but clearly within the Key walk zone if it’s a neighborhood school. Sorry Rosslyn.

Right, so remind me again how this fixes their dreadfully long bus ride? Oh wait, it doesn't?! Shocking that APS hasn't seen this yet either. They always seem so on top of critical analysis and long range planning.

Because the switch is mostly a way to tell everyone to sit the F down until next spring while they deal with S Arlington. It's not a final solution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.

"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...

Private email traffic from ASFS parent.

Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.

Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

That list was prepared by the school administrattionl so that they can nix the move. NOT by the PTA. No one expects most of that list to be moved. The administration loves that building and the materials in it more than the humans who attend it! Sad , so sad Rather than trying to hold on to their diverse community, they prefer staying at their location to teach the rich walk zone. I wonder with a different population attending that school, would ASFS still have been ASFS? At the very least they would have lost their niche ranking. Diversity plays a big part in that ranking.

Your kid is not that special. As much as you like to toss that around, this isn't about your special Johnny. You can keep saying that until you are blue in the face trying to get your way and destroy people in your path. Karma is a helluva thing so brace for impact.

No intelligent school administration, staff, or elected officials should be planning curriculum based on "current students" - they make decisions (or rather they should make decisions) based on the needs of the system and each school and guess what, Key has needs too. Decisions have to be made that set a school up to succeed and that may or may not be best for the "current students" - children come and go and schools change every year and children graduate on to the next level. Staff don't pick and choose which they want to be with and which they don't (a ridiculous claim). They decide how best to run an amazing school irrespective of who is there - you can't neatly box those up as much as you'd like to think. Your claim shows how ignorant you truly are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most recent presentation on Elementary Boundaries (https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Sept.-26-Getting-Started-Community-Mtg-Presentation.pdf) has a couple points about walk zones.
Slide 5 - Elementary Boundaries Approach: Use the Expanded School Walk Zones developed this Spring
Slide 8 - Points of Note in Proposal: All planning units in the schools’ expanded walk zone are assigned to that school

If they use the expanded walk zones in the 2020 rezoning, they would need to include over 100 additional students in ASFS when it moves to Key. Who are they going to move out to make room for these students?

Ding ding ding. Three PUs in Lyon Village are currently zoned for Taylor but clearly within the Key walk zone if it’s a neighborhood school. Sorry Rosslyn.

Right, so remind me again how this fixes their dreadfully long bus ride? Oh wait, it doesn't?! Shocking that APS hasn't seen this yet either. They always seem so on top of critical analysis and long range planning.

Obviously they aren’t moving those walk zone PUs to Key, b/c the plan would be to assign to ASFS once immersion goes to CS. Can’t move PUs twice within 5 years so will swap, and then move immersion after reed zone settled.

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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.

"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...

Private email traffic from ASFS parent.

Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.

Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

That list was prepared by the school administrattionl so that they can nix the move. NOT by the PTA. No one expects most of that list to be moved. The administration loves that building and the materials in it more than the humans who attend it! Sad , so sad Rather than trying to hold on to their diverse community, they prefer staying at their location to teach the rich walk zone. I wonder with a different population attending that school, would ASFS still have been ASFS? At the very least they would have lost their niche ranking. Diversity plays a big part in that ranking.

Please stop with the hysterics that the administration loves the building more than the students or the community and want to teach "the rich walk zone." The walk zone is no richer than all the families living in LV that currently attend ASFS and includes diversity from the families currently being bussed to Ashlawn. The administration and staff want to stay in the building because they've put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into creating a space that supports their current science curriculum. A lot of their lesson plans and activities revolve around things that they know they won't be able to recreate in the new Key building (at least not at first). Allow them to grieve for that. This whole notion that the current children aren't loved because the teachers want to stay in their building simply isn't true. Our kids are in elementary school for six years. ASFS has been there for 23 years. Kids come and go, but the school, the administration, etc. remain. Does that mean the current community hates those who will be zoned out of ASFS in a few years? Everyone (including Dr. Murphy) talks about how great this swap will be because it let's 80% of the current community stay together-- does that mean APS hates the other 20%? No, it doesn't. Everyone needs to stop taking everything so personally and look at it from a different perspective. And for those who are happy with the proposed move, take the high road and have a little empathy for those who are struggling with the move or who will no longer attend ASFS.

Agree with joa of what you wrote, but I think the Science Lab/curriculum are gone no matter what happens. If it's Immersion, gone. It's it's neighborhood, gone. They need the space for more classrooms (internal modification, like they make every other regular neighborhood school/option program do).

[Anonymous]

This thread really needs to end already. People keep talking around each other and saying the same thing over and over again. Yes, new asfs may contain parts of current taylor. But wait, Key has a bigger building and can accommodate more trailers. Immersion may have to become a smaller program. But wait, maybe they’ll decide to move it to Carlin springs and it can be huge.
Rosslyn is going to get sent to Taylor three years from now when this happens. Oh but wait, we can send Courthouse/Clarendon instead to long branch! We hate Cherrydale and the school administration because they value the building over the kids! Oh but wait they are just acting this way because they have spent all this effort creating a science program! Oh but wait again their science program sucks, it needs to be modernized and rethought!
I can’t deal with two more years of these threads!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After lady night I think we can rule out key moving to Carlin Springs. Immersion immersion is staying at Claremont and I can’t see them putting both immersion schools right on the southwest border.

Disagree. They are leaving the schools around carlin spring with extra capacity.
Expect key at carlin springs.
As it should be.

No, they're not leaving the schools around Carlin Springs with extra capacity. Abingdon is projected to start at 96% and get to 102% by 2021. Under current planning Abingdon can take no trailers, so they will struggle just to manage those numbers. Barcroft is projected to start at 107% and go up to 113%, the highest utilization numbers by far of any of the schools involved in this process. If anything, they'll probably end up shedding units to someone else in 2020. Randolph is is projected to be lower but it would be really hard for that school to take from Carlin Springs without violating continguity if the current proposal for Drew boundaries hold, the Drew boundary cuts between Randolph and Carlin Springs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to end already. People keep talking around each other and saying the same thing over and over again. Yes, new asfs may contain parts of current taylor. But wait, Key has a bigger building and can accommodate more trailers. Immersion may have to become a smaller program. But wait, maybe they’ll decide to move it to Carlin springs and it can be huge.
Rosslyn is going to get sent to Taylor three years from now when this happens. Oh but wait, we can send Courthouse/Clarendon instead to long branch! We hate Cherrydale and the school administration because they value the building over the kids! Oh but wait they are just acting this way because they have spent all this effort creating a science program! Oh but wait again their science program sucks, it needs to be modernized and rethought!
I can’t deal with two more years of these threads!

This one is clearly labeled, just stop clicking!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to end already. People keep talking around each other and saying the same thing over and over again. Yes, new asfs may contain parts of current taylor. But wait, Key has a bigger building and can accommodate more trailers. Immersion may have to become a smaller program. But wait, maybe they’ll decide to move it to Carlin springs and it can be huge.
Rosslyn is going to get sent to Taylor three years from now when this happens. Oh but wait, we can send Courthouse/Clarendon instead to long branch! We hate Cherrydale and the school administration because they value the building over the kids! Oh but wait they are just acting this way because they have spent all this effort creating a science program! Oh but wait again their science program sucks, it needs to be modernized and rethought!
I can’t deal with two more years of these threads!

Key can not accommodate more trailers. It has more space, but cafeteria size is the limiting factor on trailers. ASFS has a recommended maximum of 12 trailers and has at 6. Key has a recommended maximum of 4 trailers, which is how many it currently has.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread really needs to end already. People keep talking around each other and saying the same thing over and over again. Yes, new asfs may contain parts of current taylor. But wait, Key has a bigger building and can accommodate more trailers. Immersion may have to become a smaller program. But wait, maybe they’ll decide to move it to Carlin springs and it can be huge.
Rosslyn is going to get sent to Taylor three years from now when this happens. Oh but wait, we can send Courthouse/Clarendon instead to long branch! We hate Cherrydale and the school administration because they value the building over the kids! Oh but wait they are just acting this way because they have spent all this effort creating a science program! Oh but wait again their science program sucks, it needs to be modernized and rethought!
I can’t deal with two more years of these threads!

Key can not accommodate more trailers. It has more space, but cafeteria size is the limiting factor on trailers. ASFS has a recommended maximum of 12 trailers and has at 6. Key has a recommended maximum of 4 trailers, which is how many it currently has.

Yes, but key has a larger maximum number of trailers it can accommodate period.