the Key/ASFS building switch...

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Anonymous wrote:Who the f cares?? It’s a building, you whining, bored women.

Tell us more. Where does that impotent rage come from?

The county has to do something that benefits the greatest number of people. An option school is ... an option school. The world will not end if an immersion program has to have 100 fewer students in it.

The county has to consider all of the competing interests of a diverse student body in a crowded school district given a limited budget. The world will not end if the county leaves the schools in their current location, or at least defers any decisions until they’ve done the full upcoming boundary study. In other words, treat Key and ASFS exactly like every other school in the district rather than pretending they can skip the voting and boundary process with respect to only these schools. Does someone at ASFS have some sort of special communication going on with the superintendent or any of the school board members?

Sorry it’s so hard to conceive of not getting your way at every turn.

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Has nothing to do with my way. Has everything to do with good fiduciary responsibility of elected officials and long-range objective decision-making concerning quality of education by so called planning experts.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it’s just not worth moving either of them. What exactly is wrong with the current setup?

Boundaries and excessive transportation costs.

NP. Yes boundaries are odd. What is the actual problem with a school outside it’s zone? FCC has a school outside it’s CITY LIMITS for years and it’s okay.

There are more buses going to ASFS that many schools (maybe all?) so exactly how expensive is that.

Yeah, I'm with pp. You're being disingenuous or are too incapable of understanding to waste time discussing it with.

Feel free to go start a new thread if you just want to insult people. If you want to discuss these "excessive" transportation costs then feel free to stick around.

Then go ahead and discuss them. Go educate yourself and then come back with an informed opinion. Don't sit around in ignorance and then expect everyone to take your opinion seriously.

WTF are you so combative? Personality disorder? Low EQ? Anyway, I’ve been watching this whole saga and after we’ve gone down so many different paths I’m stepping back now and asking is it really all worth it? What exactly was so wrong that needed to be fixed?

And the question is a little premature because we don’t have some data yet.
Boundary impacts: waiting on latest enrollment numbers
Transportation: saving how many buses? 2-3?
Moving costs: $40-500k?

What sources did you use to derive those numbers?

Number of bus routes in walk zone for Key.
Moving cost estimates thrown around - one was too high, one too low. Point is we don’t know yet.

It’s not adding seats to address capacity. If ASFS #s aren’t exploding then is the move (and shrinking Key) really worth the cost of a few bus routes? I think it’s worth revisiting this basic question in January when APS has time to look at numbers.

Bus routes in walk zone? A walk zone doesn’t have bus routes.

What do you think the annual cost of running a bus route is? The documents are available on the APS website to calculate a ballpark.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it’s just not worth moving either of them. What exactly is wrong with the current setup?

Boundaries and excessive transportation costs.

NP. Yes boundaries are odd. What is the actual problem with a school outside it’s zone? FCC has a school outside it’s CITY LIMITS for years and it’s okay.

There are more buses going to ASFS that many schools (maybe all?) so exactly how expensive is that.

Yeah, I'm with pp. You're being disingenuous or are too incapable of understanding to waste time discussing it with.

Feel free to go start a new thread if you just want to insult people. If you want to discuss these "excessive" transportation costs then feel free to stick around.

Then go ahead and discuss them. Go educate yourself and then come back with an informed opinion. Don't sit around in ignorance and then expect everyone to take your opinion seriously.

WTF are you so combative? Personality disorder? Low EQ? Anyway, I’ve been watching this whole saga and after we’ve gone down so many different paths I’m stepping back now and asking is it really all worth it? What exactly was so wrong that needed to be fixed?

And the question is a little premature because we don’t have some data yet.
Boundary impacts: waiting on latest enrollment numbers
Transportation: saving how many buses? 2-3?
Moving costs: $40-500k?

What sources did you use to derive those numbers?

Number of bus routes in walk zone for Key.
Moving cost estimates thrown around - one was too high, one too low. Point is we don’t know yet.

It’s not adding seats to address capacity. If ASFS #s aren’t exploding then is the move (and shrinking Key) really worth the cost of a few bus routes? I think it’s worth revisiting this basic question in January when APS has time to look at numbers.

Bus routes in walk zone? A walk zone doesn’t have bus routes.

What do you think the annual cost of running a bus route is? The documents are available on the APS website to calculate a ballpark.

By swapping, current PUs within Key walk zone could walk to school ; going to ASFS requires a bus. This would be the projected savings (since Immersion is county wide, distribution of students complicates walk zone efficiency. )

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it’s just not worth moving either of them. What exactly is wrong with the current setup?

Boundaries and excessive transportation costs.

NP. Yes boundaries are odd. What is the actual problem with a school outside it’s zone? FCC has a school outside it’s CITY LIMITS for years and it’s okay.

There are more buses going to ASFS that many schools (maybe all?) so exactly how expensive is that.

Yeah, I'm with pp. You're being disingenuous or are too incapable of understanding to waste time discussing it with.

Feel free to go start a new thread if you just want to insult people. If you want to discuss these "excessive" transportation costs then feel free to stick around.

Then go ahead and discuss them. Go educate yourself and then come back with an informed opinion. Don't sit around in ignorance and then expect everyone to take your opinion seriously.

WTF are you so combative? Personality disorder? Low EQ? Anyway, I’ve been watching this whole saga and after we’ve gone down so many different paths I’m stepping back now and asking is it really all worth it? What exactly was so wrong that needed to be fixed?

And the question is a little premature because we don’t have some data yet.
Boundary impacts: waiting on latest enrollment numbers
Transportation: saving how many buses? 2-3?
Moving costs: $40-500k?

What sources did you use to derive those numbers?

Number of bus routes in walk zone for Key.
Moving cost estimates thrown around - one was too high, one too low. Point is we don’t know yet.

It’s not adding seats to address capacity. If ASFS #s aren’t exploding then is the move (and shrinking Key) really worth the cost of a few bus routes? I think it’s worth revisiting this basic question in January when APS has time to look at numbers.

Bus routes in walk zone? A walk zone doesn’t have bus routes.

What do you think the annual cost of running a bus route is? The documents are available on the APS website to calculate a ballpark.

By swapping, current PUs within Key walk zone could walk to school ; going to ASFS requires a bus. This would be the projected savings (since Immersion is county wide, distribution of students complicates walk zone efficiency. )

Staff did the calculation last spring and got 4, not 2-3.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it’s just not worth moving either of them. What exactly is wrong with the current setup?

Boundaries and excessive transportation costs.

NP. Yes boundaries are odd. What is the actual problem with a school outside it’s zone? FCC has a school outside it’s CITY LIMITS for years and it’s okay.

There are more buses going to ASFS that many schools (maybe all?) so exactly how expensive is that.

Yeah, I'm with pp. You're being disingenuous or are too incapable of understanding to waste time discussing it with.

Feel free to go start a new thread if you just want to insult people. If you want to discuss these "excessive" transportation costs then feel free to stick around.

Then go ahead and discuss them. Go educate yourself and then come back with an informed opinion. Don't sit around in ignorance and then expect everyone to take your opinion seriously.

WTF are you so combative? Personality disorder? Low EQ? Anyway, I’ve been watching this whole saga and after we’ve gone down so many different paths I’m stepping back now and asking is it really all worth it? What exactly was so wrong that needed to be fixed?

And the question is a little premature because we don’t have some data yet.
Boundary impacts: waiting on latest enrollment numbers
Transportation: saving how many buses? 2-3?
Moving costs: $40-500k?

What sources did you use to derive those numbers?

Number of bus routes in walk zone for Key.
Moving cost estimates thrown around - one was too high, one too low. Point is we don’t know yet.

It’s not adding seats to address capacity. If ASFS #s aren’t exploding then is the move (and shrinking Key) really worth the cost of a few bus routes? I think it’s worth revisiting this basic question in January when APS has time to look at numbers.

Bus routes in walk zone? A walk zone doesn’t have bus routes.

What do you think the annual cost of running a bus route is? The documents are available on the APS website to calculate a ballpark.

By swapping, current PUs within Key walk zone could walk to school ; going to ASFS requires a bus. This would be the projected savings (since Immersion is county wide, distribution of students complicates walk zone efficiency. )

Staff did the calculation last spring and got 4, not 2-3.

Citation?

Are they assuming kids can walk across Wilson?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it’s just not worth moving either of them. What exactly is wrong with the current setup?

Boundaries and excessive transportation costs.

NP. Yes boundaries are odd. What is the actual problem with a school outside it’s zone? FCC has a school outside it’s CITY LIMITS for years and it’s okay.

There are more buses going to ASFS that many schools (maybe all?) so exactly how expensive is that.

Yeah, I'm with pp. You're being disingenuous or are too incapable of understanding to waste time discussing it with.

Feel free to go start a new thread if you just want to insult people. If you want to discuss these "excessive" transportation costs then feel free to stick around.

Then go ahead and discuss them. Go educate yourself and then come back with an informed opinion. Don't sit around in ignorance and then expect everyone to take your opinion seriously.

WTF are you so combative? Personality disorder? Low EQ? Anyway, I’ve been watching this whole saga and after we’ve gone down so many different paths I’m stepping back now and asking is it really all worth it? What exactly was so wrong that needed to be fixed?

And the question is a little premature because we don’t have some data yet.
Boundary impacts: waiting on latest enrollment numbers
Transportation: saving how many buses? 2-3?
Moving costs: $40-500k?

What sources did you use to derive those numbers?

Number of bus routes in walk zone for Key.
Moving cost estimates thrown around - one was too high, one too low. Point is we don’t know yet.

It’s not adding seats to address capacity. If ASFS #s aren’t exploding then is the move (and shrinking Key) really worth the cost of a few bus routes? I think it’s worth revisiting this basic question in January when APS has time to look at numbers.

Bus routes in walk zone? A walk zone doesn’t have bus routes.

What do you think the annual cost of running a bus route is? The documents are available on the APS website to calculate a ballpark.

By swapping, current PUs within Key walk zone could walk to school ; going to ASFS requires a bus. This would be the projected savings (since Immersion is county wide, distribution of students complicates walk zone efficiency. )

Staff did the calculation last spring and got 4, not 2-3.

Citation?

Are they assuming kids can walk across Wilson?

Go look at the data tables posted during last spring’s location review. They’re still on the website, you just have to search.

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Update on the meeting at ASFS last night? Please share.

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Anonymous wrote:Update on the meeting at ASFS last night? Please share.

New tact. ASFS will have a fundraiser to buy Key school directly by the PTA.

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Anonymous wrote:Update on the meeting at ASFS last night? Please share.

New tact. ASFS will have a fundraiser to buy Key school directly by the PTA.

New plan to move Woodbury Park to Buck site.

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Anonymous wrote:Update on the meeting at ASFS last night? Please share.

The civic association business is TOP SECRET. No one is going to leak the goods.

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Anonymous wrote:Update on the meeting at ASFS last night? Please share.

The civic association business is TOP SECRET. No one is going to leak the goods.

Oh yeah the Virginia Square association meeting, wonder what new approach they are going to take? T-shirts AND pants?

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The parents I know at Key (granted, not within the Key/ASFS boundaries) have all said that they're fine with whatever, so I don't assume the speakers represent the majority view.

hmm. As a Key parent my observation is that no one really wants to move- the current location of Key works for everyone who is there. There are a few people who are absolutely distraught at the thought of a move- they tend to be the least rational and the loudest.
Then there are people who don't really like the idea of moving but are smart enough to read the various documents and understand that 1) this is going to happen and 2)that its not b/c APS is out to get immersion.
I really wish that the Key PTA would start rallying people around advocating for a better location for immersion (e.g. either ATS or Carlin Springs) rather than just focused on attempting to stay put. I think if parents were pushing for a better location but accepting of a move- APS would listen.
The problem is, most of the current Key parents would really struggle with either of those locations- so many people at Key commute into DC via metro and utilize extended day. They are already pushing it to make the 6pm pickup. Moving the school- means making an already delicate balance of working/parenting even more difficult.

Exactly! Key from the spring should have recognized that the day they lost a neighborhood school status, they are vulnerable for a move, particularly since at their current location they are having a harder time attracting native speakers of Spanish year by year. Their best strategy is to try to lobby for the best location for their program. From the perspective of commuters going to work directly from school, the good news is that many walk to the Clarendon metro stop from ASFS, so they will not loose proximity to metro from the ASFS location.

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Anonymous wrote:The ASFS PTA is already taking the position that the Key building will need hundreds of thousands of dollars of upgrades/rennovations to house their program. This appears to be an expensive move, particularly since they will have to add more trailers at ASFS to house the immersion program, at least in the short run.

"ASFS PTA"? What is your source? I call BS on this comment...

Private email traffic from ASFS parent.

Might be a parent independently talking out of his/her a$$, but it’s not the PTA.

Nope, the school put together an initial list of all the "uniquely" ASFS items that were donated by alumni or raised through the PTA/private donations that need to be dismantled and/or moved to the new building. The estimated costs attached to this "initial" list is over $500,000. All the library furniture, for example, was donated and does not belong to APS. The benches in the courtyard, etc., were all donated or built (and most are branded with ASFS' name). Same with the multiple built-in fish tanks and the science lab and the space shuttle, etc. ASFS is demanding that it all gets moved as none of it came from APS. And, so far, APS is pledging to move the program/everything in the school. And if they move it, they will have to figure out where to put or install it in the new ASFS.

That list was prepared by the school administrattionl so that they can nix the move. NOT by the PTA. No one expects most of that list to be moved. The administration loves that building and the materials in it more than the humans who attend it! Sad , so sad Rather than trying to hold on to their diverse community, they prefer staying at their location to teach the rich walk zone. I wonder with a different population attending that school, would ASFS still have been ASFS? At the very least they would have lost their niche ranking. Diversity plays a big part in that ranking.

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After lady night I think we can rule out key moving to Carlin Springs. Immersion immersion is staying at Claremont and I can’t see them putting both immersion schools right on the southwest border.