DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

^^ meant to add, which is why Spirit is the most break-in-able option for girls not already affiliated with a big club who want to jump to a more competitive team. the Spirit coaches don't have as strong a set of pre-existing biases regarding girls who have been anointed by the club since U8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

When are the tryouts coming?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like ECNL is putting up a good fight. They have been announcing new member clubs one after another: Loudoun Soccer, Wilmington Hammerheads, Virginia Development Academy, Oklahoma Celtic...

The question is, when the DA announces their new clubs, how many will have been taken directly from ECNL?

Just checked out the DA website. They say 16 new clubs but they are almost all on the boys side (excessive growth in my opinion). Only a few girl additions -- e.g., Arlington but they lost VDA.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

^^ meant to add, which is why Spirit is the most break-in-able option for girls not already affiliated with a big club who want to jump to a more competitive team. the Spirit coaches don't have as strong a set of pre-existing biases regarding girls who have been anointed by the club since U8.

Reading posts here about the boys' experience on the main thread, wouldn't Arlington be more then willing to take on any great "outside" player compared to its anointed ones? I thought that was what Arlington parents were all upset about on the boys side 2 years ago? I would hope the tryouts are open, as I have heard many times that the parents there work insanely hard to keep their daughters on Red teams when they should have been displaced long ago. No one has told me the coaches are biased, only that it is hard for them to move players down, but that they will do so for a good outside player at any time. I thought the DA was supposed to be for attracting these outside players? That's the whole purpose of DA, to be a magnet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

Yup, burn it down because some 12 year old girls lost a soccer game. Arlington is nuts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

^^ meant to add, which is why Spirit is the most break-in-able option for girls not already affiliated with a big club who want to jump to a more competitive team. the Spirit coaches don't have as strong a set of pre-existing biases regarding girls who have been anointed by the club since U8.

Reading posts here about the boys' experience on the main thread, wouldn't Arlington be more then willing to take on any great "outside" player compared to its anointed ones? I thought that was what Arlington parents were all upset about on the boys side 2 years ago? I would hope the tryouts are open, as I have heard many times that the parents there work insanely hard to keep their daughters on Red teams when they should have been displaced long ago. No one has told me the coaches are biased, only that it is hard for them to move players down, but that they will do so for a good outside player at any time. I thought the DA was supposed to be for attracting these outside players? That's the whole purpose of DA, to be a magnet.

Most good clubs only take on kids new kids who are obviously better than what they already have. Being just as good as is not a reason to add a outside player over a current player.

While DA is intended to attract players it is also a carrot offered to players to come into the program at an earlier age. So, unless your kid is a stud it is often hard to break onto any clubs A team over kids who are already there from the outside.

So again, where are these outside kids coming from? Gunston, Alexandria, DC Stoddard? Perhaps McLean? The reality is, other than Stoddard, Arlington has already taken many of the top kids in the area already.

[Anonymous]

^^ probably depends on the age, right?

Older 05 and 04s perhaps stay intact at ASA, but 06s and 07s lots more potential for some adds. That's the idea, draw them in younger. U13 is not even real DA -- DA-lite basically --and is a draw for U14, the real beginning year. 07s are pre-DA now so that could see the most action.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

^^ meant to add, which is why Spirit is the most break-in-able option for girls not already affiliated with a big club who want to jump to a more competitive team. the Spirit coaches don't have as strong a set of pre-existing biases regarding girls who have been anointed by the club since U8.

The anointing for Club based DA is very strong on the boys' side. The kids that have been with the kid since they started. Other kids don't even get a chance to tryout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ probably depends on the age, right?

Older 05 and 04s perhaps stay intact at ASA, but 06s and 07s lots more potential for some adds. That's the idea, draw them in younger. U13 is not even real DA -- DA-lite basically --and is a draw for U14, the real beginning year. 07s are pre-DA now so that could see the most action.

Again I have to ask from where? Arlington is already the Elephant in the room in that area. Gunston has a relationship with Spirit already so there is that mind-share already. How many kids currently playing for Gunston or Alexandria have already been spurned by Arlington? I mean, if you tried out and didn't make Red at U9 or moved up by U10 how many of those kids are bothering to come back?

There are currently 6 07 teams. That is anywhere from 75-90 kids right there. Gunston by contrast has 2 teams in the 07 age bracket. My guess is, most of those Gunston kids are likely Arlington B team to bubble Red and on down the Arlington food chain as is.

So the draw for Arlington will be certainly larger at the U little rec and U9 ages to get kids into the system leaving fewer kids potentially for neighboring programs. I just don't see many outside kids making any inroads into Arlington past U10.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

^^ meant to add, which is why Spirit is the most break-in-able option for girls not already affiliated with a big club who want to jump to a more competitive team. the Spirit coaches don't have as strong a set of pre-existing biases regarding girls who have been anointed by the club since U8.

The anointing for Club based DA is very strong on the boys' side. The kids that have been with the kid since they started. Other kids don't even get a chance to tryout.

Your confusing a between existing Boys program and a Transition year for girls.

It may be too much to fight the regional dilution due to all the ECNL growth to keep their players for the 2nd Tier, but in a Transition year there could be movement

PP shouldn't think there will be closed ID sessions for the girls side, as there could be local interest from ECNL and Pre-ECNL, and clubs without ECNL.

The #s will be what they will be but I doubt there are any anointed ones. That's a myth. . Coaches would love to poach an ECNLer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When are the ID tryouts for Arlington? The Loudoun phenomenon may not be unique. The player pools are probably not going to get concentrated anywhere.

The smart money is on Arlington U15 DA team next year being 95% the Arlington U14 Red team this year. Regardless of the surprise loss to SAC in the Arlington tournament. Probably the same for next year's Arlington U14 DA team being this year's U13 red team. Might be more movement at the U13 DA pilot level.

^^ meant to add, which is why Spirit is the most break-in-able option for girls not already affiliated with a big club who want to jump to a more competitive team. the Spirit coaches don't have as strong a set of pre-existing biases regarding girls who have been anointed by the club since U8.

Reading posts here about the boys' experience on the main thread, wouldn't Arlington be more then willing to take on any great "outside" player compared to its anointed ones? I thought that was what Arlington parents were all upset about on the boys side 2 years ago? I would hope the tryouts are open, as I have heard many times that the parents there work insanely hard to keep their daughters on Red teams when they should have been displaced long ago. No one has told me the coaches are biased, only that it is hard for them to move players down, but that they will do so for a good outside player at any time. I thought the DA was supposed to be for attracting these outside players? That's the whole purpose of DA, to be a magnet.

And they over-reacted in the other direction with the 2006/2005s being primarily their A team.

But, it's that way in every Club. I'm not knocking them. Tryout fields across the country are pre-seeded. So a kid that develops beautifully doesn't move up the long line of teams from the bottom. They never get a chance to be seen unless they go to a different Club. There is too much parental interference and interaction in our process with the ones making decisions. There is a network of coaches at the big $ Clubs and extends to DA which freezes out kids not affiliated with them. The actual pool of players they look at is quite small and only from their 'feeder system'. This is all because we have a team-based system which isn't good of feasible for developing players, it's about winning games. And, it is possible to do both along the way (develop and eventually begin winning)--but we don't try it in the US- nor do we have the patience. We need results now. Games and leagues don't allow for that fluidity. The mere size of the Clubs and lack of field space doesn't allow for kids to train with other ages because the age groups practice at different times and different places. And, it is all about $$$. In Europe, the $$ comes from developing players that you can sell or make profit for the Club. There is no reason or incentive to develop individual players in the US. And I am not even going to delve into the ability of US coaches to recognize or have the ability to develop talent. That's for another day.

Nothing US Soccer is doing has moved to better player development. Layers and layers of bureaucracy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ probably depends on the age, right?

Older 05 and 04s perhaps stay intact at ASA, but 06s and 07s lots more potential for some adds. That's the idea, draw them in younger. U13 is not even real DA -- DA-lite basically --and is a draw for U14, the real beginning year. 07s are pre-DA now so that could see the most action.

Again I have to ask from where? Arlington is already the Elephant in the room in that area. Gunston has a relationship with Spirit already so there is that mind-share already. How many kids currently playing for Gunston or Alexandria have already been spurned by Arlington? I mean, if you tried out and didn't make Red at U9 or moved up by U10 how many of those kids are bothering to come back?

There are currently 6 07 teams. That is anywhere from 75-90 kids right there. Gunston by contrast has 2 teams in the 07 age bracket. My guess is, most of those Gunston kids are likely Arlington B team to bubble Red and on down the Arlington food chain as is.

So the draw for Arlington will be certainly larger at the U little rec and U9 ages to get kids into the system leaving fewer kids potentially for neighboring programs. I just don't see many outside kids making any inroads into Arlington past U10.

NP.

Have you seen the girls 07 teams gotsoccer results? They lose.

Gets tiring hearing how Gunston or FPYC would be 2nd team in Arl.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ probably depends on the age, right?

Older 05 and 04s perhaps stay intact at ASA, but 06s and 07s lots more potential for some adds. That's the idea, draw them in younger. U13 is not even real DA -- DA-lite basically --and is a draw for U14, the real beginning year. 07s are pre-DA now so that could see the most action.

Again I have to ask from where? Arlington is already the Elephant in the room in that area. Gunston has a relationship with Spirit already so there is that mind-share already. How many kids currently playing for Gunston or Alexandria have already been spurned by Arlington? I mean, if you tried out and didn't make Red at U9 or moved up by U10 how many of those kids are bothering to come back?

There are currently 6 07 teams. That is anywhere from 75-90 kids right there. Gunston by contrast has 2 teams in the 07 age bracket. My guess is, most of those Gunston kids are likely Arlington B team to bubble Red and on down the Arlington food chain as is.

So the draw for Arlington will be certainly larger at the U little rec and U9 ages to get kids into the system leaving fewer kids potentially for neighboring programs. I just don't see many outside kids making any inroads into Arlington past U10.

from VDA? yes, too many clubs